Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Yossarian]

therewillbedragons confirmed he made it up. The crossfaction stuff lining up was just pure luck.

oh thank you, just yesterday night and four pages ago, I'm reading it now

what's left? nothing?

[Revamp Man]

So I missed a few pages, let me guess: Teriz arguing that Tinker is the only viable class to be added?

No

After EoD was debunked there was a short discussion about the next expansion and hints with the cat mount and the link between expansions and final mounts

Then the talk about bards

Both situations got the Teriz treatment

1. Mechanical dragon that had no link or part of a pattern outside of the panda monk pet in wrath and also mentioning the mechanical dragon pet from the anniversary and that the dragon is the true last mount and the only reason I didn’t agree was because it was mechanical and the demon soul placed in the steamscale makes it dragon lore because the dragon soul was originally named the demon soul

2. Bards don’t have a wc3 or HotS rep

[Makorus]

oh thank you, just yesterday night and four pages ago, I'm reading it now

what's left? nothing?

Why is Ashes debunked?

About the store mount thing:

People latch on to the store mounts that have a connection to future expansions without considering that the vast majority of storemounts DO NOT have connections to future expansions

[Teriz]

Which is exactly what I pointed out lol

You are retroactively applying the Pandaren Monk pet as a hint an expansion that came YEARS later. That was not a pet hinting to a future expansion theme, that is correlation between unrelated release of store items and expansion. There were numerous pets and mounts released after the Pandaren Monk pet that had nothing to hint at Mists or an Asian themed expansion.

Yeah, because Blizzard tends to not release a ton of hints to their future content. That said, the Pandaren Monk pet was the first time the term monk was used in reference to Pandaren martial arts. In addition, the pet came with a letter from Chen Stormstout, and this was in WotLK, after Cataclysm had been announced.

The Steamscale is also a store-based item released after the announcement of the next expansion. If it's following the same trajectory as the Pandaren Monk pet, then it is hinting at the expansion following Shadowlands. Given that we've gotten so many dragon and goblin/gnome hints since BFA, it makes sense.

The ones that hinted MoP was the Heart of Azeroth mount and pet, which were known about shortly before Mists announcement.

Incorrect. The Heart of the Aspects was announced in November of 2011, and released in February of 2012. Mists of Pandaria was announced at the 2011 BlizzCon that took place in October of that year.

[Super Dickmann]

I am all for Tinkers. Otherwise some players would have to ask another 10 years for it.

This is the best pro-tinker argument. Other arguments need not apply. Half-measures got us void elves instead of high elves, only to basically turn them into high elves anyway. Don't make the same mistake.

[Yossarian]

Why is Ashes debunked?

warcraft mobile grimoire
announcement date
overwatch news

all that we could check until now was wrong, I don't give it anymore credit

[Teriz]

This exactly.



I respectfully disagree, I feel you're presenting Pandaria and the Pandaren as if they were a well established race within the game before MoP: they're not. They were an April's Fool joke in WC3 which became a popular meme/reference amongst the players, mainly due to the (awesome) art of Samwise Didier, and the only main reference we really had was Brewmaster Chen Stormstout. Oh and we knew he came from a mysterious land called Pandaria (some even argued it wasn't canon at that time). That's it. We had nothing about Pandaria itself, the pandaren culture, the Monk class, the Mogu, the Sha, the Celestials, the Mistweavers, all of that was literally whipped out of thin air and the only concrete element was the introduction of Chen in WC3 as a funny brewmaster (and he was never referred to as monk).

We had additional lore about Pandaria, Pandaren, and Brewmasters from the WoW RPG books that came out following WC3. Blizzard used material from those books to help flesh out the lore in Mists of Pandaria. You can read some of that lore on this page when you scroll down to RPG;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pandaren
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Brewmaster

[Hyrja]

Scales of Time leak was the most genuine looking leak so far. And the name is great

[Super Dickmann]

I remind by the way that while Empire of Dragons was debunked, the true EoD - Explosion of Dragons remains undefeated.

[Makorus]

We had additional lore about Pandaria, Pandaren, and Brewmasters from the WoW RPG books that came out following WC3. Blizzard used material from those books to help flesh out the lore in Mists of Pandaria. You can read some of that lore on this page when you scroll down to RPG;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pandaren
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Brewmaster

I read through that and I don't see how that is relevant at all? Nothing from the RPG really seemed to have carried over, other than obvious tropes like "Brewmasters use brews to fight" or "they are peaceful monks because they are inspired by Asian culture".

[Triceron]

Yeah, because Blizzard tends to not release a ton of hints to their future content. That said, the Pandaren Monk pet was the first time the term monk was used in reference to Pandaren martial arts. In addition, the pet came with a letter from Chen Stormstout, and this was in WotLK, after Cataclysm had been announced.

The Steamscale is also a store-based item released after the announcement of the next expansion. If it's following the same trajectory as the Pandaren Monk pet, then it is hinting at the expansion following Shadowlands. Given that we've gotten so many dragon and goblin/gnome hints since BFA, it makes sense.

Which means you are correlating whatever you see fits what you want as the next expansion.

Has anything I said here gone misunderstood? Or do you not want a Dragon/Goblin expansion?

The steamscale seems to fit both criteria you want. Is that mere coincidence? No one seems convinced that it is, lol. You push for it so much that it's pretty obvious you want it to happen more than anything.

As I said, the mount that ties to the next expo has already been datamined, and it is not the Steamscale. If it has anything to do with Dragons, it will be because of the connection to the datamined mount. Anything else here is literally gonna be correlation. Like I said, may as well say Dreadwing mount hinted at Zandalar at this point lol

Incorrect. The Heart of the Aspects was announced in November of 2011, and released in February of 2012. Mists of Pandaria was announced at the 2011 BlizzCon that took place in October of that year.

Lol, the Heart of the Aspects was datamined before the MoP announcement, which is why everyone happens to look at the mounts as indicators. We just never knew there was a connection at the time. It was just seen as a curious looking store mount being datamined, no one really expected a relation to the next expansion until it kept happening again and again with each datamine.

Don't expect this drakemountemerald to be out any time soon either, we will get the next expo announcement before they even fully reveal this mount. Par on course.

[Varodoc]

This is the best pro-tinker argument. Other arguments need not apply. Half-measures got us void elves instead of high elves, only to basically turn them into high elves anyway. Don't make the same mistake.

Alleria Windrunner (first and leader of the Ren'dorei) could already retain her fair form as far back as 2017 btw.

Fair skin options are part of the core Ren'dorei identity and should have been in the game when they were released, in Legion patch 7.3.5.

[Revamp Man]

Why is Ashes debunked?

About the store mount thing:

People latch on to the store mounts that have a connection to future expansions without considering that the vast majority of storemounts DO NOT have connections to future expansions

The final mount before the announcement hints at the next expansion

If it were just a single mount from two expansions or if we were claiming a pet from BfA predicted 10.0 then you would have a point

[Makorus]

Let's be honest, the reason why they made the Steamscale Incinerator is 1.) because the dragon skeleton seems to be really easy to work with, and it's easy to make it fly and 2.) people really liked Mechagon.

That's it. There's nothing more to it. It's a store mount, they wanna make money with as little effort as they can. They are not trying to play 5D chess with something they are selling.

Because of this, I also think that the Sylverian Dreamer mount came first, and then they just plopped it down somewhere to reuse the model, instead of it being a mob in Ardenweald first.

Same with the Raptora mount. 100% sure that was never meant to be a thing in Zereth Mortis until people complained.

[Teriz]

Why is Ashes debunked?

About the store mount thing:

People latch on to the store mounts that have a connection to future expansions without considering that the vast majority of storemounts DO NOT have connections to future expansions

The store mount in question is a mechanical dragon, and also has a pet companion that was released during Shadowlands and is also a mechanical dragon.

Looking at what was hinted at in BFA, it the Steamscale Incinerator and the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling are a combination of both themes;

Mechanical

Mechagon
Mekkatorque getting the Spark Reactor
Gazlowe becoming leader of the Goblins
Mekkatorque becoming King of the Gnomes
Tinker teams in Island Expeditions
Return to Kezan (2010 Developer mention)
Gallywix deposed
Tinker NPCs on Exiles Reach starter zone (shadowlands)

Dragons
Wrathion returns and is searching for the Dragon Isles
Vexonia brings in a new dragonflight (Voidwing)
Clutches of dragon eggs found with Alexstraza and within N'zoth
New Chromatic dragon seen in Island Expeditions alongside Black Dragons
Dragon boss at the end of Exiles' Reach (shadowlands)

And then you get the Steamscale Incinerator as part of a six month subscription three months before the release of 9.0. A year later, Blizzard releases the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling.

Again, this is all speculation, but I do believe it's worth discussing.

[Revamp Man]

Scales of Time leak was the most genuine looking leak so far. And the name is great

I’m sticking with the leak from Talonguard
Something of aspects
And not just because the guy shoveled my driveway last week

[Teriz]

I read through that and I don't see how that is relevant at all? Nothing from the RPG really seemed to have carried over, other than obvious tropes like "Brewmasters use brews to fight" or "they are peaceful monks because they are inspired by Asian culture".

The pandaren are originally from central Kalimdor where they established the Pandaren Empire. They were allies of the night elves until they saw their obsession with magic getting out of control. The clans severed ties and left Kalimdor behind eventually establishing a new home on an island they named Pandaria. After the Sundering, some pandaren returned to the "new" Kalimdor to explore it. "Where once the pandaren were a mighty empire, standing proud beside their night elf allies, now they are a simple people who want only peace and a safe home."[116] Since the Third War, more pandaren have come to visit Kalimdor.[117]

Hailing from their own secret empire, the pandaren are a race of humanoids resembling panda bears. This appearance leads some to underestimate these noble creatures, thinking them harmless and "cute". They may be cute, but they are not harmless. Pandaren have a long tradition of mystic warfare and are exceedingly strong and agile. The traditional pandaren fighting style focuses upon mobility, speed and precision, as well as stunning acrobatic tricks. Many pandaren are skilled at fighting bare-handed.

That was carried over from the RPG into WoW. There's more, but yeah the point is that Blizzard used quite a bit of lore from the RPG.

Let's be honest, the reason why they made the Steamscale Incinerator is 1.) because the dragon skeleton seems to be really easy to work with, and it's easy to make it fly and 2.) people really liked Mechagon.

That's it. There's nothing more to it. It's a store mount, they wanna make money with as little effort as they can. They are not trying to play 5D chess with something they are selling.

Because of this, I also think that the Sylverian Dreamer mount came first, and then they just plopped it down somewhere to reuse the model, instead of it being a mob in Ardenweald first.

Same with the Raptora mount. 100% sure that was never meant to be a thing in Zereth Mortis until people complained.

And the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling that uses the same skin as the Steamscale?

[Makorus]

The final mount before the announcement hints at the next expansion

If it were just a single mount from two expansions or if we were claiming a pet from BfA predicted 10.0 then you would have a point

Luminous Starseeker hinted at BFA?

Enchanted Fey Dragon hinted at WoD? (Don't even mention "Oh, but they were in Talador" as if they weren't just reusing that model)

Steamscale Incinerator hinted at Shadowlands?

Winged Guardian hinted at MoP?

[Teriz]

If it were just a single mount from two expansions or if we were claiming a pet from BfA predicted 10.0 then you would have a point

Luminous Starseeker hinted at BFA?

Enchanted Fey Dragon hinted at WoD?

Steamscale Incinerator hinted at Shadowlands?

Winged Guardian hinted at MoP?

A store pet from WotLK predicted MoP.

[Makorus]

A store pet from WotLK predicted MoP.

You don't know what "predicted" means.

If Blizzard releases a Tinker-themed expansion in 20 years, are you gonna say that BfA predicted a tinker expansion?

The TCG had a ghost horse. Did they predict a Shadowlands expansion in TBC?