Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Super Dickmann]

Alleria Windrunner (first and leader of the Ren'dorei) could already retain her fair form as far back as 2017 btw.

Fair skin options are part of the core Ren'dorei identity and should have been in the game when they were released, in Legion patch 7.3.5.

Among the many benefits of just doing high elves in the first place would be that you would have lived a fruitful life as a Vereesa or Valeera poster.

[Teriz]

Which means you are correlating whatever you see fits what you want as the next expansion.

Has anything I said here gone misunderstood? Or do you not want a Dragon/Goblin expansion?

The steamscale seems to fit both criteria you want. Is that mere coincidence? No one seems convinced that it is, lol. You push for it so much that it's pretty obvious you want it to happen more than anything.

As I said, the mount that ties to the next expo has already been datamined, and it is not the Steamscale.

Again, you seem to be missing the point that there is a history of mounts and pets that foreshadow future content. I don't know why you keep missing this point, but those are simply the facts.

Lol, the Heart of the Aspects was datamined before the MoP anouncement, which is why everyone happens to look at the mounts as indicators since we never knew there was a connection at the time. It was just a curious looking store mount being datamined, no one really expected a full Pandaren expansion would be hinted at by a store mount of all things.

Incorrect. Heart of Aspects didn't enter the PTR until November of 2011, long after MoP's announcement.

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You don't know what "predicted" means.

If Blizzard releases a Tinker-themed expansion in 20 years, are you gonna say that BfA predicted a tinker expansion?

The TCG had a ghost horse. Did they predict a Shadowlands expansion in TBC?

Would you prefer "Foreshadowed"? Either way, the fact remains that a store pet in WotLK did give us a preview of future content multiple expansions before it was released. If you want to straw-man that instead of discuss it, that's your choice.

[Revamp Man]

The store mount in question is a mechanical dragon, and also has a pet companion that was released during Shadowlands and is also a mechanical dragon.

Looking at what was hinted at in BFA, it the Steamscale Incinerator and the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling are a combination of both themes;

Mechanical

Mechagon
Mekkatorque getting the Spark Reactor
Gazlowe becoming leader of the Goblins
Mekkatorque becoming King of the Gnomes
Tinker teams in Island Expeditions
Return to Kezan (2010 Developer mention)
Gallywix deposed
Tinker NPCs on Exiles Reach starter zone (shadowlands)

Dragons
Wrathion returns and is searching for the Dragon Isles
Vexonia brings in a new dragonflight (Voidwing)
Clutches of dragon eggs found with Alexstraza and within N'zoth
New Chromatic dragon seen in Island Expeditions alongside Black Dragons
Dragon boss at the end of Exiles' Reach (shadowlands)

And then you get the Steamscale Incinerator as part of a six month subscription three months before the release of 9.0. A year later, Blizzard releases the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling.

Again, this is all speculation, but I do believe it's worth discussing.

Ok let’s go with this

There’s two issues that i see

1. You are saying this fits a pattern with 1 previous case being the panda pet but you are using a mount. If this were a pattern there would have to be a store pet or mount in MoP that predicted Legion or WoD predicting BfA

2. Lorewise the steamscale was built while the pet was a natural thing

3.(my personal favorite) the pet wasn’t a shop item it was an event item…consider it a bonus unless the anniversary items from previous years also predict an expansion

[Lahis]

Luminous Starseeker hinted at BFA?

7.3 model released early. Closest we got were the Blizzcon mounts revealed and released before the expansion reveal.

Enchanted Fey Dragon hinted at WoD? (Don't even mention "Oh, but they were in Talador" as if they weren't just reusing that model)

Yes, the Draenei on Draenor use them. And besides that one, there were also the Iron Horde chimera and the Ravager mount released during pandaria before WoD's reveal.

Steamscale Incinerator hinted at Shadowlands?

No, but Sylvarian Dreamer is straight from Ardenweald.

[Revamp Man]

A store pet from WotLK predicted MoP.

And a hidden npc predicted legion

[Teriz]

Ok let’s go with this

There’s two issues that i see

1. You are saying this fits a pattern with 1 previous case being the panda pet but you are using a mount. If this were a pattern there would have to be a store pet or mount in MoP that predicted Legion or WoD predicting BfA

I never said it was a pattern. I'm merely pointing out the precedent.

2. Lorewise the steamscale was built while the pet was a natural thing

I don't see how that's relevant.

3.(my personal favorite) the pet wasn’t a shop item it was an event item…consider it a bonus unless the anniversary items from previous years also predict an expansion

The Timeless Mechanical Dragonling is tied to the Steamscale Incinerator, which indicates that whatever this is, it carried over from BFA to Shadowlands meaning that neither are part of either expansion, but something else.

That's the point.

[Makorus]

7.3 model released early. Closest we got were the Blizzcon mounts revealed and released before the expansion reveal.

Yes, the Draenei on Draenor use them. And besides that one, there were also the Iron Horde chimera and the Ravager mount released during pandaria before WoD's reveal.
No, but Sylvarian Dreamer is straight from Ardenweald.

And my point is that they were not mobs from new expansions turned into mounts, but mounts turned into mobs in new expansions. Nothing in their description or anything mentions ANYTHING close to the expansion they are supposedly from. Hell, the Sylverian Dreamer is apparently from a magical dream world, certainly not Ardenweald. The Enchanted Feydragon literally mentions it to be Brightwings brother and has nothing referencing Outlands or Draenor. The Ravager was released in WoD, and the Chimaera was released when WoD was announced.

I mean, the best case to point out here is the Enchanted Fey Dragon. Makes ZERO sense to be on Draenor.

[Revamp Man]

Luminous Starseeker hinted at BFA?

Enchanted Fey Dragon hinted at WoD? (Don't even mention "Oh, but they were in Talador" as if they weren't just reusing that model)

Steamscale Incinerator hinted at Shadowlands?

Winged Guardian hinted at MoP?

Idk why you mentioned steamscale when it was after the announcement

I was still disappointed about it when I got the dragon

[Triceron]

Again, you seem to be missing the point that there is a history of mounts and pets that foreshadow future content. I don't know why you keep missing this point, but those are simply the facts.

Yes, the last store mount before the release of the next expansion.

Which would be the Drakemountemerald-buff mount that was datamined.

Honestly, if we got Dragon Isles that had no connection to Gnomes and Goblins, you'd probably still think the Steamscale was a hint towards it.

[KayRule]

How will DarkRangercels feel when Tinker is finally revealed and Dark Ranger continues to already be in the game as Hunter?

Also the fact that Dragon Isles has an identical random mention "huh we don't really know anything about this" in the most recent WoW coffee table book the same way Shadowlands before it's release should pretty much end any debate on where the next expansion is.

[Raetary]

Luminous Starseeker hinted at BFA?

Enchanted Fey Dragon hinted at WoD? (Don't even mention "Oh, but they were in Talador" as if they weren't just reusing that model)

Steamscale Incinerator hinted at Shadowlands?

Winged Guardian hinted at MoP?

It's not about something hinting at one thing or another, Blizzard very much uses the storemount models for future content in some form.

The Mystic Runesaber came out in wod, manasabers are the staple mounts of Suramar.
The Starseeker was a creature on Argus.
The Sylverian Dreamer and Vulpine familiar are all over the place in Bastion and Ardenweald.
The feydragon were used on Draenor

And then we have thematic mounts like the incinerator (after which we got Mechagon) (or perhaps not? i don't remember when that thing was released) and the warforged Nightmare (after which we got wod).

Knowing that, we could use recent store releases and speculate with them in mind.

[Lahis]

Hell, the Sylverian Dreamer is apparently from a magical dream world, certainly not Ardenweald.

You really think they could say Sylverian Dreamer is from a realm of Shadowlands called Ardenweald before the expansion was announced?

Of course they can't do that, so they write something else for the store page.

[Teriz]

Yes, the last store mount before the release of the next expansion.

Which would be the Drakemountemerald-buff mount that was datamined.

Uh, the expansion is going to be announced before we find out what that mount is.

Honestly, if we got Dragon Isles that had no connection to Gnomes and Goblins, you'd probably still think the Steamscale was a hint towards it.

Honestly, I wouldn't. If the next expansion drops and it has nothing to do with Goblins and Gnomes, I'll gladly admit I was wrong. No harm, no foul.

I doubt you would do the same.

[Varodoc]

Among the many benefits of just doing high elves in the first place would be that you would have lived a fruitful life as a Vereesa or Valeera poster.

Nope. High elves wouldn't be as popular as the Void elves are. The fans like the Void elves because they are quirky, mysterious, badass, and add a dark side to the Alliance (=/= evil side btw). High elves are just hippies, they wouldn't be as popular.

[Teriz]

It's not about something hinting at one thing or another, Blizzard very much uses the storemount models for future content in some form.

The Mystic Runesaber came out in wod, manasabers are the staple mounts of Suramar.
The Starseeker was a creature on Argus.
The Sylverian Dreamer and Vulpine familiar are all over the place in Bastion and Ardenweald.
The feydragon were used on Draenor

And then we have thematic mounts like the incinerator (after which we got Mechagon) (or perhaps not? i don't remember when that thing was released) and the warforged Nightmare (after which we got wod).

The Steamscale Incinerator came out three months before 9.0's release as part of a six-month subscription promotion. It's companion pet the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling came out during 9.1.

[micwini]

its a shame that it took a GIF of the creator to convince you guys that it was fake. It was obviously fake from the beginning. While it is really well done, way too low quality for a Blizzardo logo.

[Revamp Man]

The Steamscale Incinerator came out three months before 9.0's release as part of a six-month subscription promotion. It's companion pet the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling came out during 9.1.

So because they are both mechanical dragons they are related in terms of design

This is why I mentioned lore and why I mentioned that the pet isn’t from the store so it has no place in that discussion

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its a shame that it took a GIF of the creator to convince you guys that it was fake. It was obviously fake from the beginning. While it is really well done, way too low quality for a Blizzardo logo.

*puts on suit of tinfoil armor*
Actually that gif is the equivalent of the gravity falls Fiddleford leak

The developers are trying to throw us off the scent after someone managed to leak the logo. The logo is real and the “author” is a blizzard plant.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I read through that and I don't see how that is relevant at all? Nothing from the RPG really seemed to have carried over, other than obvious tropes like "Brewmasters use brews to fight" or "they are peaceful monks because they are inspired by Asian culture".

It’s not relevant to my point you’re right, and on top of that the RPG source was (and still is) considered not a canon source. So that wasn’t canon at the time, and the only things from there which became canon were the ones seen in MoP; and they became canon through MoP, and not through an acknowledgment of the RPG source (it pains me to say so, as the RPG has a lot of good unused material, but at the end of the day if Blizzard doesn’t consider it canon, it’s not).

[Triceron]

Honestly, I wouldn't. If the next expansion drops and it has nothing to do with Goblins and Gnomes, I'll gladly admit I was wrong. No harm, no foul.

I doubt you would do the same.

Lol, wut? I'm not the one claiming the steamscale is related to the next expansion, so why would I do the same? I'm not claiming the next expansion to be goblin related at all

[shise]

I think that shifted... todays best expansion are wotlk, mop and Legion. Bc is out.

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It was the forge of souls and it was random at best.

I doubt so.

BC offered the best raiding experience.

Casuals and hard core all could enjoy it at different pace and for a long while 4 raids at ocne were relevant content.