Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

Well it's muffins.. so he probably is just facerolling elden ring with a faith based build.

Faithrolling.

[Catastrophy349]

Five lanterns now darkened. The flames they seek will light the Masters' way.

I feel like this quote has never, truly, been pinpointed to one specific thing. There are so many 5s in Warcraft lore that this could be representative of.

[Varodoc]

The Five Lanterns were the Pillars of Creation, together they opened the portal to Argus, allowing Sargeras to come to Azeroth.

The point of these whispers is that they set up something about to happen in the future. As such, it's not referring to a past action that happened in the previous expansion.

It can't be the Five Sigils of the Covenants because the Jailer is not Il'gynoth's master, so it wouldn't make any sense for Il'gynoth to refer to Zovaal as his "Master".

[Vakir]

A lot of those whispers could've easily been written before Blizzard knew what they referred to. We covered the problems with mystery boxes many times.

Also on the topic of potentially specious and unimportant hints - the Blizzard Store now has a cat bundle, just like the dragon bundle. Debunking, or a way of trying to cover their tracks for making it too obvious? Like how they put in Worgen and Goblin Halloween masks after the Cata leaks and then scrambled to add a bunch of other unrelated races when everyone took it as confirmation.

I'm kidding, obviously, I doubt anyone in charge of that kind of marketing/sales stuff has anything to do with expac hints

[huth]

A lot of those whispers could've easily been written before Blizzard knew what they referred to. We covered the problems with mystery boxes many times.

Also on the topic of potentially specious and unimportant hints - the Blizzard Store now has a cat bundle, just like the dragon bundle. Debunking, or a way of trying to cover their tracks for making it too obvious? Like how they put in Worgen and Goblin Halloween masks after the Cata leaks and then scrambled to add a bunch of other unrelated races when everyone took it as confirmation.

I'm kidding, obviously, I doubt anyone in charge of that kind of marketing/sales stuff has anything to do with expac hints

Clearly, we're getting a crazy cat lady expansion. WoW: Meowlodies of Meowing

[Vakir]

Clearly, we're getting a crazy cat lady expansion. WoW: Meowlodies of Meowing

Blizzard rhythm game when?

[Catastrophy349]

You weren't kidding about the cat bundle!

[Vakir]

You weren't kidding about the cat bundle!

You'll find I'm rarely kitten.

[loras]

Azeroth is a big clockwork machine.
Needs to be fixed by Tinkers.

Oh you.

/10chars

[Three Faced Goddess]

You need to pull abilities from the HotS and WC3 hero, not random NPCs. That has been the case for all expansion class inclusions. So if the Survival Hunter does not contain any of the abilities of those heroes, it is not what you say it is.

LOL, so when this argument (the same one you've used against Dark Rangers) is applied to Tinkers it doesn't count, but when applied to literally any other class people want it does? By the logic of your own argument, when a character that's obviously a tinker is classified as a survival hunter in game that must mean that the tinkers are just survival hunters despite not fulfilling the fantasy fans are looking for.

They throw bombs, fire guns and use robots in battle that must mean they're the same thing, right? /S

When I was arguing how Dark Rangers are still a possibility and that Sylvanas' banshee abilities from HotS and the raid could easily be used to make player DRs distinct enough from hunters, you said "well NPC dark rangers don't have them which means those aren't DR abilities/they don't have them" (paraphrasing.) But when a tinker character labeled as a SH doesn't have Tinker abilities HotS and WC3 abilities suddenly matter.

SH aren't Tinkers
DR aren't Hunters

If this were the case no one would be asking for them.

So your argument against Dark Rangers is "Oh, if you get the Legendary bow from the previous raid tier and use an undead pet that's essentially the same as any pet, you are essentially a Dark Ranger", but when someone says "Oh, use the Hunter spec that mostly deals with bombs, traps and explosives, while using the Engineering profession that has access to gadgets and gizmos while using a mechanical pet", that's not a valid point at all.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, my friend.

If you want to play Tinker, play a Survival Hunter with Robot Pets and Engineering as a profession.

I love your responses. It's perfectly okay for others to have to settle for the bare minimum that doesn't really satisfy their desires, but it's not okay for him. Yes, we all get that Tinkers will eventually happen and that they're awesome. I know I have absolutely nothing against Tinkers as a class, it's rather the few fanatics I have problems with. That's all I'm going to say on this matter for now.

Back to the topic of this discussion, I'm not really sure what to expect from the next expansion anymore as light, void, dragons, and life are pretty prevalent among themes being hinted at throughout WoW media. All I'm going to say is I hope we get see a Scarlet Crusade resurgence and a continuation of the Scourge Rampage story and its effects on Azeroth. I maintain that the datamined fliers and DR questline that takes place in Tirisfal might hint at that the Scarlets play a role in the next expansion.

[shoc]

If Dark Rangers aren't Hunters then Sunwalkers aren't Paladins

[Three Faced Goddess]

A lot of those whispers could've easily been written before Blizzard knew what they referred to. We covered the problems with mystery boxes many times.

Also on the topic of potentially specious and unimportant hints - the Blizzard Store now has a cat bundle, just like the dragon bundle. Debunking, or a way of trying to cover their tracks for making it too obvious? Like how they put in Worgen and Goblin Halloween masks after the Cata leaks and then scrambled to add a bunch of other unrelated races when everyone took it as confirmation.

I'm kidding, obviously, I doubt anyone in charge of that kind of marketing/sales stuff has anything to do with expac hints

Cat expansion confirmed! New class: Meowmancer. New race: All cats.

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If Dark Rangers aren't Hunters then Sunwalkers aren't Paladins

Lorewise, Sunwalkers aren't the same thing as paladins, mechanically for the sake of simplicity and laziness, they are. Tauren priests are also Sunwalkers.

[FossilFree]

I love how the new ZM quests this week were just dripping with music and song themes. Bard class confirmed?

[Vakir]

I love how the new ZM quests this week were just dripping with music and song themes. Bard class confirmed?

I think it's potentially a (kinda fart-sniffing) meta commentary by the developers.

The First Ones are creator deities utilizing geometric patterns, calculated order, and sound to create the spark of life that is the disparate cosmic forces.

Kind of like the people making the stories and world(s) of Warcraft.

Would be down for classes drawing off any of it, though. Be it a mechanical class using FO tech or a Bard-esque class. I ended up liking ZM's aesthetic way more than I thought, even though I dislike everything it stands for lorewise in terms of overexplaining what should remain mystery. They ironically undersold how it feels quite different in the developer video.

[Shadochi]

I love how the new ZM quests this week were just dripping with music and song themes. Bard class confirmed?

This reminds me of when we got the Argus fight with all new effects for death/necrotic related magic and I was hyped for the possibility of a necromancer class (or spec for mage) using that style of spell effects (minus the stars). But I don't think we ever got those effects used again. And the 6 distinct death magic styles we have in SL (one for each leveling zone, maw (domination) and Korthia) are vastly different. SL was IMO the last option for that class.

And as far as ingame stuff goes, OST is hardly a hint at bards as it wouldn't have anything to do mechanically with the class and also no way that the class would channel a whole 3 minute track. TBH the musicality of the automa speaking is closer to what we would get in bard spells, but so far nothing really hints towards them.

I hope warcraft manages to pull off Bards in a unique way compared to other video games or tabletops.
If you look at the WoW class selection, all classes aren't that unique based on the tropes except Demon Hunter. IMO DH is the only unique class to WoW because if you compare Demon Hunters in other franchises and media to the ones in WoW they are usually just specialized rangers that use dark magic to hunt demons. In essence WoW DH is similar to that but they had enough unique stuff to make it truly unique (even comparing DH across their franchises, WoW vs D3).

As for Bard, they do not need to just be musicians. That is just the most used trope. They can also be poets or orators. Heck, they could even take the Bard class a step further and instead of Bard have it be some kind of artist (of course better name). So you can have a spec that is a bard, a spec that is an painter (for channel a painting to summon a creature, draw armor to buff an allies defense,...) and so on.

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I think it's potentially a (kinda fart-sniffing) meta commentary by the developers.

The First Ones are creator deities utilizing geometric patterns, calculated order, and sound to create the spark of life that is the disparate cosmic forces.

To be honest that puts it into a bit of a different perspective. The denizens of SL that were created by the first ones aren't just programmed robots.
They are created based off geometry/math (Logic) and Music (Creativity), basically the 2 spheres of the brain. They brought these together to create the spark of life, not just have brainwashed robots that follow programming.

[therumblings]

I can't believe that a month before the reveal, we're back to square one and all leaks have been debunked. Man... what at time.

I guess we'll have to keep a close eye on leaks the week before the announcement, I think most people faked leaks too early since they assumed the expansion would be announced by now. The real ones are usually a week before the reveal at most.

[Catastrophy349]

I guess we'll have to keep a close eye on leaks the week before the announcement, I think most people faked leaks too early since they assumed the expansion would be announced by now. The real ones are usually a week before the reveal at most.

Yep

/10 chars

[Bsirk]

I'm honestly excited that all of the leaks have been debunked so far. I'm also really looking forward to April 19th so we can see who guessed right in their fake leaks.

[therumblings]

I don't really care what the theme is at this point, I just hope there is a new class, would really freshen up the game.

[Padwarle]

I don't really care what the theme is at this point, I just hope there is a new class, would really freshen up the game.

I dunno, I think the Gifdwarf class is really OP.