Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[ercarp]

Can someone answer a question I have?

After Zovaal is defeated we see the bridge between the Shadowlands and our world close, how are we meant to get back home? because surely that bridge closing would also cut off all portals due to them being well... completely different realms.

I'm not going to make any excuses for Danuser's shitty writing, but I feel like you're making a pretty big assumption here. Is there any precedent for why this should be the case? However, even if that were the case, I'm sure the Eternal Ones or some other powerful entity within the Shadowlands can help yeet us back to Azeroth using their Plot Magic™ as thanks for helping them defeat the Big Bald. It's not an issue in the slightest.

[Izalla]

Some days offline and apparently new "leaks" happened? Can someone give me a tl;dr?

More like leaks unhappened. I don't think we've seen anything that was more than an obvious fake. EoD logo and therewillbedragons leaks were admitted as faked.

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Can someone answer a question I have?

After Zovaal is defeated we see the bridge between the Shadowlands and our world close, how are we meant to get back home? because surely that bridge closing would also cut off all portals due to them being well... completely different realms.

We were able to get back from Draenor even after we destroyed the portal, but years later the connection had waned to where we couldn't access it anymore without bronze dragon magic. I would assume that even though things are closed up there is still a lasting, lingering connection in the same way, even ignoring that denizens of the Shadowlands such as Kyrian have always been able to pass through into our realm.

[Lahis]

Can someone answer a question I have?

After Zovaal is defeated we see the bridge between the Shadowlands and our world close, how are we meant to get back home? because surely that bridge closing would also cut off all portals due to them being well... completely different realms.

Kyrian's literal job is to travel ourside of Shadowlands to collect souls and Necrolords, including former mortal souls, have traveled outside of Shadowlands to fight Legion and other forces.

[Kiria]

Kyrian's literal job is to travel ourside of Shadowlands to collect souls and Necrolords, including former mortal souls, have traveled outside of Shadowlands to fight Legion and other forces.

Fair enough reasonable answers I just find the whole thing fully odd considering we are alive mortals in the realm of the dead so to speak... some plot holes with this expansion.

[Kiivar86]

The Helm of Domination's breaking caused the rift, and pieces of it allowed further passage through. Presumably the reforged Crown of Wills will retain that ability.

[Lahis]

Fair enough reasonable answers I just find the whole thing fully odd considering we are alive mortals in the realm of the dead so to speak... some plot holes with this expansion.

All the more reason to get us out. Kyrian, Necrolords and Brokers have means to open portals from Shadowlands to other realms so they can get us out from there.

[pacotaco]

Fair enough reasonable answers I just find the whole thing fully odd considering we are alive mortals in the realm of the dead so to speak... some plot holes with this expansion.

The way I see it, it's like old mythology: the lands of the dead are literal lands of the world. Mortals could physicaly go, but they are forbiden (hence Cerberus). This is sort of the same.
Wwe also see other Forces opening portals to the Shadowlands, so it doesn't seem to be even hard to do.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

And nope, Shadowlands is great. Haters gonna hate. People just dislike the setting or the lore or Covenants before they pulled the ripcord but that's ok. Contentwise atleast Shadowlands is great right now.

... you actually think Shadowlands is great, content-wise? Then why is there a larger proportion of the forums complaining about it and why are search trends and engagement reducing?

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I'm not going to make any excuses for Danuser's shitty writing, but I feel like you're making a pretty big assumption here. Is there any precedent for why this should be the case? However, even if that were the case, I'm sure the Eternal Ones or some other powerful entity within the Shadowlands can help yeet us back to Azeroth using their Plot Magic™ as thanks for helping them defeat the Big Bald. It's not an issue in the slightest.

Let's also not forget that, somehow, traveling from one point to another through the Twisting Nether works to get you to the Shadowlands. Somehow.

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I think it's potentially a (kinda fart-sniffing) meta commentary by the developers.

The First Ones are creator deities utilizing geometric patterns, calculated order, and sound to create the spark of life that is the disparate cosmic forces.

Kind of like the people making the stories and world(s) of Warcraft.

Can't be. The First Ones apparently make good art.

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To be honest that puts it into a bit of a different perspective. The denizens of SL that were created by the first ones aren't just programmed robots.
They are created based off geometry/math (Logic) and Music (Creativity), basically the 2 spheres of the brain. They brought these together to create the spark of life, not just have brainwashed robots that follow programming.

I always took the geometry to be an underlying thing, more akin to the function of the universe itself—the geometry thing in particular seems to relate to theology, similar to the "watch and the watchmaker" thing. Of course, they seem to accidentally construe that as "God makes robots in a big factory".

[Akta]

i was watching the OW2 update, posted today. They said the pvp will be testable this week and a new hero is gonna be available Sojourn. There was a leak ( ashes of something ) saying that OW2 would have be testable mid march with new heros , one of them being sojorun. Am i wrong?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Because in terms of WoW villains he’s rather strong and pretty dangerous. I mean overall he was a threat because of his size and the horde of zombie dragons he made just like most raid bosses aren’t world ending cekestials

But good villain is when bigger & badder tho

If villain isn't bigger & badder how get invested?

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i was watching the OW2 update, posted today. They said the pvp will be testable this week and a new hero is gonna be available Sojourn. There was a leak ( ashes of something ) saying that OW2 would have be testable mid march with new heros , one of them being sojorun. Am i wrong?

This has been discussed. Other factors jossed Ashes, Sojourn was a lucky guess and we knew she'd be coming for months before.

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TBC had the worst lore and the raiding "experience" was quite bad compared to WotLK.

Legion > MoP > WotLK = Shadowlands > Cataclysm > WoD > BfA > TBC

Firstly, even when it was current and people were very invested in disliking it, WoD was still considered to have an extraordinarily good raiding experience. WoD remains fairly fondly-remembered by raiders despite being probably the most maligned expansion for everyone else.

Second, lorewise, I really can't see how Shadowlands could be near-equivalent to WotLK.

Third, the content of TBC was very well-liked and even though the raiding and lore were both fairly mediocre, the actual developments were very good in terms of gameplay and mechanics.

[Nyel]

More like leaks unhappened. I don't think we've seen anything that was more than an obvious fake. EoD logo and therewillbedragons leaks were admitted as faked.

When was Empire of Dragons "debunked" in the last days and how so? Did the fake just tell us it's fabricated?

[Soulwind]

When was Empire of Dragons "debunked" in the last days and how so? Did the fake just tell us it's fabricated?

Yeah, the person who made it said it was theirs, and that they didn't expect it to get this far.

[Vakir]

Can't be. The First Ones apparently make good art.

Insert that one gif of MC Supa Hot Fiya and his entourage losing their shit.

...in fairness, the capital A art team always kills it.

But just like WoW's story, the language of the First Ones is absurdly cryptic and requires grinding through side content to fully decipher. And when you hear it out loud, it sounds like just garbled noise.

I dunno, I think this rabbit hole is going deep.

[Raetary]

Some days offline and apparently new "leaks" happened? Can someone give me a tl;dr?

More like the opposite, pretty much everything got debunked.

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When was Empire of Dragons "debunked" in the last days and how so? Did the fake just tell us it's fabricated?

Pretty much:

It was made in Photoshop. Ok, so I used the classic vanilla logo as the reference point for the border and Shadowlands' logo for the "WoW" text (tweaked the colors etc). I handpainted the border, some parts are inspired by a Naaru but the rest I just winged. The starry background is just a photo of the sky.

:P

[Izalla]

When was Empire of Dragons "debunked" in the last days and how so? Did the fake just tell us it's fabricated?

Bagina, the poster who shared it in the first place, admitted to making it and shared a gif of the creation process. Funnily enough, Bagina also posted in another fake leak thread about a week beforehand to say the EoD logo was not associated with that leak and thus the leak was fake. So yeah it is pretty clear who made it.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

But just like WoW's story, the language of the First Ones is absurdly cryptic and requires grinding through side content to fully decipher. And when you hear it out loud, it sounds like just garbled noise.

I dunno, I think this rabbit hole is going deep.

What a keen observation. I concede defeat.

...in fairness, the capital A art team always kills it.

True enough—I only am talking about the writers when I say that. Also, don't neglect the music team. Shadowlands has a pretty decent OST, and the Janitor's leitmotif is the one thing I like about him.

[Raetary]

After Zovaal is defeated we see the bridge between the Shadowlands and our world close, how are we meant to get back home?

We established 2 portals to our capitals the moment we set foot in Oribos.

And even if we didn't have those, every single covenant and more have the ability to enter Reality.
Kyrian do it all the time, that's how the Fae send their loa back and how Maldraxxi do their scouting missions, and if Denathrius could just banish the Dreadlords from Revendreth surely the current reigning Venthyr can do something similar.

Or, we could just ask a broker because those guys walk in and out of the phsyical universe all the time just cause they can.
In Tazavesh we straight up visit Azeroth.

The Shadowlands were never closed off.

[Izalla]

To add to that, right after Bagina posted about making the logo, therewillbedragons replied to it to say they also faked their leak and just ran with it after getting incredibly lucky with the cross faction details.

[Nyel]

Such a pity Empire of Dragons was debunked, that logo was great. Props to @bagina and thanks for the update.

[Skildar]

Ehm no, not everyone could access TBC raiding. People could access some of it, or were forced to do all of it for attunement quests. It was a shit design, even worse than the current "only 2% of people kill a mythic endboss" dilemma.

And no, TBC lore is the worst lore today as they literally turned a bunch of anti-heroes/protagonists from warcraft III into villains for ... reasons? The lore was so bad that 90% of it got retconned with Legion and WoD and that was good haha.

And nope, Shadowlands is great. Haters gonna hate. People just dislike the setting or the lore or Covenants before they pulled the ripcord but that's ok. Contentwise atleast Shadowlands is great right now.

I'm completely with you here. I'm really struggling to understand where the hate is coming from. Everytime I chat someone that doesn't like the expansion, their arguments fall onto themselves.

What I gather is that this is just the expansion where people expect a lot more feelings to come out of it and a lot more epicness out the events that unfold.

They cry about the writing being shit but it's not, it's just not groundbreaking but it's always been either at this level (mop, legion, wrath) or way below (classic, bc, cata, wod, bfa). If anything this expansion expanded on a closed mythology and reopened doors to tell new stories with a feeling of unknown and thirst to understand the new forces and how they work together.