Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[FossilFree]

I think it's potentially a (kinda fart-sniffing) meta commentary by the developers.

The First Ones are creator deities utilizing geometric patterns, calculated order, and sound to create the spark of life that is the disparate cosmic forces.

Kind of like the people making the stories and world(s) of Warcraft.

Would be down for classes drawing off any of it, though. Be it a mechanical class using FO tech or a Bard-esque class. I ended up liking ZM's aesthetic way more than I thought, even though I dislike everything it stands for lorewise in terms of overexplaining what should remain mystery. They ironically undersold how it feels quite different in the developer video.

I agree, they could definitely just fuse multiple concepts together and make a bard/tech class hybrid based on all this stuff in ZM. That would be a tech class I could get behind, since it has nothing to do with engineering themes.

This reminds me of when we got the Argus fight with all new effects for death/necrotic related magic and I was hyped for the possibility of a necromancer class (or spec for mage) using that style of spell effects (minus the stars). But I don't think we ever got those effects used again. And the 6 distinct death magic styles we have in SL (one for each leveling zone, maw (domination) and Korthia) are vastly different. SL was IMO the last option for that class.

And as far as ingame stuff goes, OST is hardly a hint at bards as it wouldn't have anything to do mechanically with the class and also no way that the class would channel a whole 3 minute track. TBH the musicality of the automa speaking is closer to what we would get in bard spells, but so far nothing really hints towards them.

I hope warcraft manages to pull off Bards in a unique way compared to other video games or tabletops.
If you look at the WoW class selection, all classes aren't that unique based on the tropes except Demon Hunter. IMO DH is the only unique class to WoW because if you compare Demon Hunters in other franchises and media to the ones in WoW they are usually just specialized rangers that use dark magic to hunt demons. In essence WoW DH is similar to that but they had enough unique stuff to make it truly unique (even comparing DH across their franchises, WoW vs D3).

As for Bard, they do not need to just be musicians. That is just the most used trope. They can also be poets or orators. Heck, they could even take the Bard class a step further and instead of Bard have it be some kind of artist (of course better name). So you can have a spec that is a bard, a spec that is an painter (for channel a painting to summon a creature, draw armor to buff an allies defense,...) and so on.

Good points. Bwonsamdi in BoD also had necromancer abilities like that too.

It's also true that bards don't need to play instruments. Historical bards (also known as skalds, ollaves, or scops in different cultures) were based on singing or chanting stories of kings and heroes. Instruments were not necessary, even though they were sometimes used. It was the power of the voice that was important. Even Tolkien used the power of the voice as the basis for his magic (the Secret Fire or the Flame Imperishable). The Ainur even created the world by singing a giant song together, called the Ainulindalë (which seems to have heavily influenced the lore of Zereth Mortis).

A LotR bard:

[Revamp Man]

I dunno, I think the Gifdwarf class is really OP.

Get a room you two
Preferably with a closet I can watch from



SL announcement was really a big let down for me except for some stuff they talked about but never delivered

If that happens again with 10.0 I think my excitement for the story and themes of expansions will be permanently dead and I’ll just hope I can still have fun in raid

I need a new class idc if it’s Dragonsworn or bard or tinker or cabbage salesman I just need something “they can’t balance the specs now adding more would be awful” balance will never be perfect and someone will always be on the bottom.

[Syegfryed]

Pretty sure the next expansion is going to be shadowlands 2, cause they didn't had enough time to proper do a death expansion, so this time they will revisit other themes they didn't touch, The Janitor as main villain, will make much more sense with the new lore.

[Hitei]

This reminds me of when we got the Argus fight with all new effects for death/necrotic related magic and I was hyped for the possibility of a necromancer class (or spec for mage) using that style of spell effects (minus the stars). But I don't think we ever got those effects used again. And the 6 distinct death magic styles we have in SL (one for each leveling zone, maw (domination) and Korthia) are vastly different. SL was IMO the last option for that class.

Said this like a million times, but they make more sense coming out of SL than going into it.

[Revamp Man]

Pretty sure the next expansion is going to be shadowlands 2, cause they didn't had enough time to proper do a death expansion, so this time they will revisit other themes they didn't touch, The Janitor as main villain, will make much more sense with the new lore.

As a dragon hopeful
Death could easily be an underlying cause for some threats like galakrond and chromatus.

[Hitei]

As a dragon hopeful
Death could easily be an underlying cause for some threats like galakrond and chromatus.

I dunno why people obsess so much over galakrond when he's small beans.

[Syegfryed]

As a dragon hopeful
Death could easily be an underlying cause for some threats like galakrond and chromatus.

i was more joking, they will not touch shadowlands for a few good years.

I also would like to see Chromatus as end boss, He is our version of Tiamat, and would work pretty well in a more grounded expansion and still be impactful with our powe rlevels, since Chromatus is basically invulnerable atm, we would need some big guns or magic fuckery to deal with him.

Galakrond would be like, middle expansion Boss.

[Revamp Man]

I dunno why people obsess so much over galakrond when he's small beans.

Because in terms of WoW villains he’s rather strong and pretty dangerous. I mean overall he was a threat because of his size and the horde of zombie dragons he made just like most raid bosses aren’t world ending cekestials

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i was more joking, they will not touch shadowlands for a few good years.

I also would like to see Chromatus as end boss, He is our version of Tiamat, and would work pretty well in a more grounded expansion and still be impactful with our powe rlevels, since Chromatus is basically invulnerable atm, we would need some big guns or magic fuckery to deal with him.

Galakrond would be like, middle expansion Boss.

I can see him as a world boss at least maybe an end boss in a fight that’s like waves of adds

Chromatus is immune to the magic of the 5 flights so we have a few ways to win but he has a cult

[shise]

TBC had the worst lore and the raiding "experience" was quite bad compared to WotLK.

Legion > MoP > WotLK = Shadowlands > Cataclysm > WoD > BfA > TBC

lol no.

BC raiding was good, because EVERYONE could access it. And I talk about BC, not classic BC, quite a different animal.

You had different tiers which all were relevant for a very long time.

Lore was perfectly fine. It was just basic, simple, raw. BC all together was an extension of vanilla...

There´s a reason most people put up there with Wrath. Your personal opinion doesn´t mean that it was not good.

LEgion was by no means the best but it surely was good.


But then again, you are saying that Shadowlands is up there on the top 3... that says it all. But hey, your opinion is your own, of course. Just beware that no, SL is not on the top 3, it is literally the worse expansion ever.

And I am a die hard wow fan btw, but I´m not blind.

[ercarp]

I guess we'll have to keep a close eye on leaks the week before the announcement, I think most people faked leaks too early since they assumed the expansion would be announced by now. The real ones are usually a week before the reveal at most.

Yup. The real Shadowlands leak came out 6-7 days before the official reveal.

I think it was also the first time the real logo of an expansion was actually leaked (despite how many fake logos are being made every time there's about to be an announcement).

I also don't think there was a fully accurate written leak for Shadowlands, but maybe I just don't remember it.

[guro-tchai]

If Dark Rangers aren't Hunters then Sunwalkers aren't Paladins

sunwakers are paladins, dark rangers are priests. they have silence and mind control already.
4th spec is missing, that's why we can't play as PotM or DR. give them a bow, expropriate lifesteal from warlocks and it's done. tune visuals with symbols, enjoy.

[Hitei]

Yup. The real Shadowlands leak came out 6-7 days before the official reveal.

I think it was also the first time the real logo of an expansion was actually leaked (despite how many fake logos are being made every time there's about to be an announcement).

I also don't think there was a fully accurate written leak for Shadowlands, but maybe I just don't remember it.

You are correct. The only other logo to leak was I guess technically WoD, which Blizzard accidentally left a shot of in their pre-Blizzcon hype video the day of the event. The only accurate Shadowlands lore that leaked was, as far as I remember, the text that came with the bastion leak and logo, describing bastion.

[Yossarian]

Yup. The real Shadowlands leak came out 6-7 days before the official reveal.

I think it was also the first time the real logo of an expansion was actually leaked (despite how many fake logos are being made every time there's about to be an announcement).

I also don't think there was a fully accurate written leak for Shadowlands, but maybe I just don't remember it.

you are right
and now, because it happened once, a logo "leak" is the most common fake thing

there was also a written leak btw, even not fully accurate

my favorite leak remains MoP one
someone found out a trademark, and someone else posted a picture with what seemed a very far pandaren in an asian landscape some day before blizzcon

[Dracullus]

lol no.

BC raiding was good, because EVERYONE could access it. And I talk about BC, not classic BC, quite a different animal.

You had different tiers which all were relevant for a very long time.

Lore was perfectly fine. It was just basic, simple, raw. BC all together was an extension of vanilla...

There´s a reason most people put up there with Wrath. Your personal opinion doesn´t mean that it was not good.

LEgion was by no means the best but it surely was good.


But then again, you are saying that Shadowlands is up there on the top 3... that says it all. But hey, your opinion is your own, of course. Just beware that no, SL is not on the top 3, it is literally the worse expansion ever.

And I am a die hard wow fan btw, but I´m not blind.

And that is classic rewriting history. I would like to see face of WoW fan from 2006 when you explain to him that raiding is for everyone, lore is great and make sense xD.

Btw, isn't that funny that "muh Vanilla crowd" now brag how old era were super casual and welcoming when most common complain about current expac is that it focus too much on "hardcore" crowd. Around Cata-MoP (when most common complain was casualization of WoW), Vanilla-TBC were "good old times" when bosses and game were harder.

[Lahis]

Lorewise, Sunwalkers aren't the same thing as paladins, mechanically for the sake of simplicity and laziness, they are. Tauren priests are also Sunwalkers.

Lorewise, Dark Rangers aren't the same thing as hunters, mechanically for the sake of simplicity and laziness, they are.

[Lady Atia]

lol no.

BC raiding was good, because EVERYONE could access it. And I talk about BC, not classic BC, quite a different animal.

You had different tiers which all were relevant for a very long time.

Lore was perfectly fine. It was just basic, simple, raw. BC all together was an extension of vanilla...

There´s a reason most people put up there with Wrath. Your personal opinion doesn´t mean that it was not good.

LEgion was by no means the best but it surely was good.


But then again, you are saying that Shadowlands is up there on the top 3... that says it all. But hey, your opinion is your own, of course. Just beware that no, SL is not on the top 3, it is literally the worse expansion ever.

And I am a die hard wow fan btw, but I´m not blind.

Ehm no, not everyone could access TBC raiding. People could access some of it, or were forced to do all of it for attunement quests. It was a shit design, even worse than the current "only 2% of people kill a mythic endboss" dilemma.

And no, TBC lore is the worst lore today as they literally turned a bunch of anti-heroes/protagonists from warcraft III into villains for ... reasons? The lore was so bad that 90% of it got retconned with Legion and WoD and that was good haha.

And nope, Shadowlands is great. Haters gonna hate. People just dislike the setting or the lore or Covenants before they pulled the ripcord but that's ok. Contentwise atleast Shadowlands is great right now.

[Makorus]

Peak raiding was WoD and everyone who disagrees didn't raid in WoD.

BRF was the best tuned raid with the most fun fights. Yes, it was better than Ulduar, because most fights in Ulduar are snorefests and people like to circlejerk the setting rather than the actual raid encounters.

[KayRule]

Raiding is only 5% of an expansions content and only 1% of the playerbase ever bothers with it. Who fucking cares about raids.

[Calfredd]

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So posting a 2nd fake leak eh? https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2517159-Twilight-of-the-Aspects


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Raiding is only 5% of an expansions content and only 1% of the playerbase ever bothers with it. Who fucking cares about raids.

You apparently.

[Polybius]

Peak raiding was WoD and everyone who disagrees didn't raid in WoD.

BRF was the best tuned raid with the most fun fights. Yes, it was better than Ulduar, because most fights in Ulduar are snorefests and people like to circlejerk the setting rather than the actual raid encounters.

It's the first expansion where I felt convinced to tank a raid, and it was fun. Classes just don't feel the same anymore, there's less control over mechanics too.