1. #29741
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Would explain why they are so different from the Death pantheon, and why they seem to have powers beyond just Order, like Argus controlling death, or Einar controlling Life.
    This has never been depicted as being the case for any other cosmic force. None of them solely use their own force.

    Demons actively use both the Void and Death powers in addition to their native Chaos. To begin with their forces are built out of people from other forces and mortals.
    Old Gods actively use and manipulate Life powers in addition to their own native Void.
    1/4 of Death is basically just Life powers.
    The Light actively shifts into the Void and vice versa. It is also closely tied to Life.
    Life uses literally everything, and Elune as seemingly its only confirmed pantheon member, uses both Order and Void powers in addition to her base Life.

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    I wish they would expand upon Decay and Spirit more.


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  3. #29743
    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    Scrambling to rewrite everything would be a clear explanation for alot including why the rendered cinematics of the style of BfA vanished after the Sylvanas Bolvar one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Also I love how he doesn't give anything tangible about the expansion to "not ruin the surprise. Fuck me sideways, a half decent effort from the devs would be the surprise at this point.
    That was my take as well. You're able to spoil all this stuff about Shadowlands, but you can only say the code name of the upcoming patch? You can't mention 9.2.5? Like, you're already messed up with the NDA, go full hog if you're legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChairmanKaga View Post
    Scrambling to rewrite everything would be a clear explanation for alot including why the rendered cinematics of the style of BfA vanished after the Sylvanas Bolvar one.
    We had Beyond the Veil after the Sylvanas and Bolvar one
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  6. #29746
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    We had Beyond the Veil after the Sylvanas and Bolvar one
    Sorry forgot that for some reason.

  7. #29747
    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    I hold my skepticism, but will say it's a fun read.

    I especially like the Anduin being Arthas and Jaina's lovechild thing. Not something I ever see Blizzard ever actually doing, totally in the realm of fan service like the whole Anduin/Wrathion shipping, but still a cool twist to consider in that respect.

    I like the outlines of what raids could have been too. Would've been neat to consider.

    Also like the jab at Tinkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    I hold my skepticism, but will say it's a fun read.

    I especially like the Anduin being Arthas and Jaina's lovechild thing. Not something I ever see Blizzard ever actually doing, totally in the realm of fan service like the whole Anduin/Wrathion shipping, but still a cool twist to consider in that respect.

    I like the outlines of what raids could have been too. Would've been neat to consider.

    Also like the jab at Tinkers.
    tbh that has been a fan theory for a while now, and people were thinking they were saving Arthas for that
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  9. #29749
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    tbh that has been a fan theory for a while now, and people were thinking they were saving Arthas for that
    It's one of those 'probably bullshit, but I buy it' theories.

    I always found it weird that Anduin has bright blond hair while Varian had dark brown. I always felt like it was 'the seed is strong' parallel that they never really carried into fruition.

    But if it actually happened, I think it'd absolutely suck since it means the royal line of Wrynn would be completely broken. I hold Lothar's sacrifice in high regard in the lore, and I'd hate to see it thrown away because of edgy plot twists. We have enough lore being squandered away for that reason already.
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    We are just about a month away (today being the 18th) from the announcement! I am very excited. Hoping for the best. I just want an expansion that makes me feel like playing all the way through instead of a week here and there (Shadowlands).

  11. #29751
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    It's one of those 'probably bullshit, but I buy it' theories.

    I always found it weird that Anduin has bright blond hair while Varian had dark brown. I always felt like it was 'the seed is strong' parallel that they never really carried into fruition.

    But if it actually happened, I think it'd absolutely suck since it means the royal line of Wrynn would be completely broken. I hold Lothar's sacrifice in high regard in the lore, and I'd hate to see it thrown away because of edgy plot twists. We have enough lore being squandered away for that reason already.
    It's not too crazy that Anduin has blone hair. His mother's been a blonde since at least as long as the old WoW comics.

  12. #29752
    Quote Originally Posted by DiscipleofCazicThule View Post
    It's not too crazy that Anduin has blone hair. His mother's been a blonde since at least as long as the old WoW comics.
    Dark hair is generally a dominant gene. Yes, there are cases where you could get a blonde haired child from parents who have brown and blonde, but that depends if the brown hair person has the blonde-hair genes in them. If they don't, the child's hair would be brown. If they do, then it's still only a chance that the child's hair would be blonde.

    Which is why the theory makes sense, since it's playing on 'the Seed is Strong' plot twist.

  13. #29753
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Dark hair is generally a dominant gene. Yes, there are cases where you could get a blonde haired child from parents who have brown and blonde, but that depends if the brown hair person has the blonde-hair genes in them. If they don't, the child's hair would be brown. If they do, then it's still only a chance that the child's hair would be blonde.

    Which is why the theory makes sense, since it's playing on 'the Seed is Strong' plot twist.
    Not really. The theory makes little sense either way. You'd have a point if Anduin's hair was to dark, but he's not outside the viable range for his parents.

  14. #29754
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Not really. The theory makes little sense either way. You'd have a point if Anduin's hair was to dark, but he's not outside the viable range for his parents.
    Blonde hair is a recessive gene, and that doesn't change whether Anduin has pure-blonde or dark-blonde hair.

    Anduin's hair doesn't have to be darker to many any point. Blonde hair is a recessive gene, and we haven't seen any other Blonde characters in the Wrynn line of succession. Only Tiffin has been shown to be Blonde. It's only implied that Varian has Blonde hair gene in his lineage since Anduin has Blonde hair. We haven't seen any evidence to support this otherwise.

    You are correct that he's not outside the viable range. It's just a rare occurance considering we haven't seen any other Blonde Wrynn characters, and the theory would work because the rarity of the condition could be considered as a potential plot twist hook. I mean honestly, there's little reason why Anduin wasn't introduced as a Brunette like his father and grandfather.

    That being said, I also cast doubt on there being any significance in the hair color beyond an art director simply liking the color. Greymane's fur color has been depicted differently in-game in WoW, in concept art, in Heroes of the Storm and in cinematics/promotional art. Malfurion and Tyrande have had multiple hair color changes over the years as well, going from the blue hair in WC3 to variations of teal and vibrant green as we have now. I wouldn't expect this to be something seeded into Anduin's original history. I think he was always meant to be Varian's son, and any changes to his history would be done after his introduction to WoW rather than be planned as a plot twist from the beginning.
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    By all means, let's discuss how genes work for stone golems who got cursed by tentacle monsters and became fleshy.

    Anduin being Arthas' child would throw several stories under the bus in favor of some misguided fanservice. While it's not beyond Blizzard, it is certainly not something anyone should be rooting for.

  16. #29756
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Anduin's hair doesn't have to be darker to many any point. Blonde hair is a recessive gene, and we haven't seen any other Blonde characters in the Wrynn line of succession.
    Actually, we do. Llane, Varian's father.

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    Seeing as I'm blond and blue eyed and born to parents who are both dark brown haired and eyed, Anduin being blond doesn't strike me as overly strange and indicative of his father not being Varian.

    Also almost all my relatives are equally dark, with only one (paternal uncle) having a non-brown or black hair (in his case, redhead)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    I hold my skepticism, but will say it's a fun read.

    I especially like the Anduin being Arthas and Jaina's lovechild thing. Not something I ever see Blizzard ever actually doing, totally in the realm of fan service like the whole Anduin/Wrathion shipping, but still a cool twist to consider in that respect.

    I like the outlines of what raids could have been too. Would've been neat to consider.

    Also like the jab at Tinkers.
    That part makes me question the validity of the post. They’ve spent years working at Blizz but it’s a forum craze to them? Nevermind Monks and Demon Hunters that had their own big following as well. I’ve seen all three get their series of threads well before MoP. Dragonsworn is fairly new but became popular around Legion.

    There are other sentences where you can question their credit, they’re giving an overview of the game and not of their role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polybius View Post
    That part makes me question the validity of the post. They’ve spent years working at Blizz but it’s a forum craze, nevermind Monks and Demon Hunters that has their own craze building up as well. I’ve seen all three get their series of threads well before MoP.

    There are other sentences where you can question their credit, they’re giving an overview of the game and not of their role.
    I think their talk of sub numbers is most damning. It's like fan confirmation bias more than anything. Parroting what people want to hear. I kind of doubt any 'grunt' working there would actually have data on the numbers of subs played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    If we're talking about Tinkers, it's mostly a craze here.

    It gets the same amount of niche talk as Necromancers and Bards elsewhere. Like, Reddit doesn't even recognize the concept any greater than anything else. Tinkers are mostly a MMO-C thing as far as I'm aware, and even the polls here get an average of like 30% pick out of ~300 people polled.
    The first time I saw it namedropped was on the official forums. I mean any new class thread can be regarded as niche, it is its own topic loaded with speculation. But these classes have always been talked about in said threads, even in outside circles from people that have never been to MMOC, they base it off class rpg archetypes.

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    Bagh, nvm then. I just saw your edits and was going to say the same. Doubt they’d even spend as much time on forums. I imagine they have someone filtering all the bad apples.
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