Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The most plausible explanation for the Galakrond map is that it was made for a potentially scrapped quest way back. Got shelved. And now gives off notices whenever a developer opens the file or whatever else.

As for the potential reason for the changes the most plausible explanation is that it was meant to be a flashback to the aspects defeating Galakrond, since all that would realistically need is a version of Dragonblight where nothing really exists to put some proto-drakes into.

I was always thinking it would be a flashback quest, either for a cinematic or – possibly more likely, given the scale of it – something akin to the Huln quests in Stormheim. I wonder why it would be scrapped though, and what it could've been used for that would necessitate it being made in 8.2. Perhaps it was for a previous incarnation of the Ysera storyline for 9.0 that would've involved a flashback quest?

[Varodoc]

Why are people here not discussing the possibility of a Lordaeron subcontinent revamp?

Turalyon stated that he wants to reclaim former holdings of the Alliance like Stromgarde. Supposedly the Forsaken are rebuilding their bases around the blighted Lordaeron Capital. Alleria Windrunner stated that she is certain that Quel'Thalas will stand with the Alliance once again. Magister Umbric also shares this hope. It is in fact a distinctive trait of the Ren'dorei, that they seek to bring their former kin back into the Alliance. This is their goal. There are also pamphlets written by Scarlet sympathizers who attempt to sow discord and dissent within the Alliance ranks. The Scarlets have also identified Genn Greymane as a potential pawn, and coincidentally Ion cited the name Genn Greymane as a potential candidate for some Alliance drama.

Will the leaders of the Alliance, so Turalyon, Alleria, Genn Greymane, and the House of Nobles, trust Anduin Wrynn after he has been possessed and manipulated by Satan?

A revamp of Lordaeron subcontinent is all but confirmed at this point.

[Hitei]

Why are people here not discussing the possibility of a Lordaeron subcontinent revamp?

Turalyon stated that he wants to reclaim former holdings of the Alliance like Stromgarde. Supposedly the Forsaken are rebuilding their bases around the blighted Lordaeron Capital. Alleria Windrunner stated that she is certain that Quel'Thalas will stand with the Alliance once again. Magister Umbric also shares this hope. It is in fact a distinctive trait of the Ren'dorei, that they seek to bring their former kin back into the Alliance. This is their goal. There are also pamphlets written by Scarlet sympathizers who attempt to sow discord and dissent within the Alliance ranks. The Scarlets have also identified Genn Greymane as a potential pawn, and coincidentally Ion cited the name Genn Greymane as a potential candidate for some Alliance drama.

A revamp of Lordaeron subcontinent is all but confirmed at this point.

Because it's extremely unlikely that they'd update one section of one continent as an entire expansion. Particularly the one section, on the entire map, that has almost zero zone diversity in the modern storyline, where the plaguelands are very far along in recovering, making it like six zones of lightly hilly, sparsely wooded meadows, and then Quel'thalas.

You being absolutely obsessed with a specific handful of characters =/= an expansion being "all but confirmed"

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

"All but confirmed"
Fucking lol.

[Vakir]

Also, people are discussing a Lordaeron revamp, just indirectly - like the last 3-4 "leaks" have been northern Eastern Kingdoms revamps. Just because it doesn't primarily focus on your overly specific interests doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[huth]

Doesn't that also rule it out as a personal project? Why would someone make such minuscule changes for seemingly no reason to Dragonblight?

Probably to test something. Then just nobody bothered deleting the test map. Overall, it's unlikely to be relevant and in fact, unlikely to ever have been.

[Varodoc]

"All but confirmed"
Fucking lol.

Shadowlands had less set-up than Lordaeron (and Quel'Thalas, because it can be considered part of the "Lordaeron subcontinent, i.e. the geographical landmass, NOT the ruined kingdom) does now.

On top of those quotes from in-game characters, the Eastern Kingdoms novel reinforced the fact that the Forsaken are rebuilding in Lordaeron and the Ren'dorei seek to bring Quel'Thalas back into the Alliance.

We also know from old maps that the Dragon Isles are located north of Lordaeron's shoreline.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Blood Elves are not going to the Alliance. Their capital isn't either.


There is a reason why Blizzard regulated the Void Elves starting area to a place off Azeroth in a literal dark corner of the universe where nobody bothers them and they do not bother anybody else. The symbolism is quite telling.

[Marlamin]

Probably to test something. Then just nobody bothered deleting the test map. Overall, it's unlikely to be relevant and in fact, unlikely to ever have been.

This is likely untrue, dev/test maps are usually flagged as being that but this isn't. One of the things that makes it interesting!

[Vakir]

There is a reason why Blizzard regulated the Void Elves starting area to a place off Azeroth in a literal dark corner of the universe where nobody bothers them and they do not bother anybody else. The symbolism is quite telling.

Symbolic for how nobody wants to see them except Varodoc?

[dope_danny]

Why are people here not discussing the possibility of a Lordaeron subcontinent revamp?

Turalyon stated that he wants to reclaim former holdings of the Alliance like Stromgarde. Supposedly the Forsaken are rebuilding their bases around the blighted Lordaeron Capital. Alleria Windrunner stated that she is certain that Quel'Thalas will stand with the Alliance once again. Magister Umbric also shares this hope. It is in fact a distinctive trait of the Ren'dorei, that they seek to bring their former kin back into the Alliance. This is their goal. There are also pamphlets written by Scarlet sympathizers who attempt to sow discord and dissent within the Alliance ranks. The Scarlets have also identified Genn Greymane as a potential pawn, and coincidentally Ion cited the name Genn Greymane as a potential candidate for some Alliance drama.

Will the leaders of the Alliance, so Turalyon, Alleria, Genn Greymane, and the House of Nobles, trust Anduin Wrynn after he has been possessed and manipulated by Satan?

A revamp of Lordaeron subcontinent is all but confirmed at this point.

Then theres Malganis in the current raid dropping lordaeron shields and the datamined scarlet crusade, silver hand and lordaeron shields added when exiles reach was.

[Three Faced Goddess]

This is where I lose all respect from anyone, but I honestly think it would've been very cool and interesting if Bolvar remained the Lich King through the whole expansion and our foray into the Shadowlands was at his behest. It would be interesting to add the element of an allied Villain Protagonist we aren't wholly sure we can trust, and Legion!Bolvar is the best portrayal in WoW of any Lich King, I think.

For it's worth, which is not much because I'm a weirdo/loser, you have my respect and I agree with this "what could have been." Legion!Bolvar made me excited to see where they would take this new and interesting version of the character. BFA was the beginning of the end for the Lich King. Shadowlands killed any hope I had for what could have been. This, in my opinion, would have made a for a far more interesting expansion. Gods, I wish we would have gotten this instead.

[jzhbee]

I always imagined the isles to be shrouded by the bronze dragonflight's time magic, which would explain why people haven't been able to find them (or at least haven't been able to get back to our timeline if they made it there somehow). Being an island inhabited almost solely by dragons, floating isles aren't a bad idea either. In either case, I don't think the location matters much.

One zone for each flight makes sense to me, but I don't think black dragonflight's zone being endgame makes sense at this stage. I would much prefer if the endgame zone was either the domain of a new dragonflight (white dragonflight, maybe?) or maybe centered around the charred Titan facility of Uldorus or something.

To be honest, I am not a fan of the "zone with one specific theme" archetype we have had recently. I don't like how every zone feels so dramatically thematically isolated from one another. Like in BFA, its weird how the Gorak Tul/Heartsbane threat ended the second it reached the borders of Tiragarde and Stormsong.

[Vasoka]

Has our lord and savior Towelliee had anything new and fresh to produce from his backside in regards to 10.0, seeing as he is the know-it-all in regards to future xpacs?

I remember a clip of him on Twitch saying that 10.0 will be better than Legion.

[Dracullus]

Symbolic for how nobody wants to see them except Varodoc?

Let's not bend reality because we have some irritating weirdos in forum. Void Elves are pretty popular race, mostly because it's strange way to give High Elves to Alliance, but still. Void itself is threat with big potential, shame it was used pretty bad during BfA, where devs couldn't decide if it's war or void expansion.

Same with Tinkers, it's strong candidate for new class no matter what people think about them. My first choice was always Necromancer, but that dream kinda died with SL, I think if we ever see them, it will be class skin for Warlocks.

[huth]

To be honest, I am not a fan of the "zone with one specific theme" archetype we have had recently. I don't like how every zone feels so dramatically thematically isolated from one another. Like in BFA, its weird how the Gorak Tul/Heartsbane threat ended the second it reached the borders of Tiragarde and Stormsong.

That doesn't particularly strike me as a very recent matter. In fact, i'm having a hard time thinking of a time when that wasn't the case.

[Vakir]

Let's not bend reality because we have some irritating weirdos in forum. Void Elves are pretty popular race, mostly because it's strange way to give High Elves to Alliance, but still. Void itself is threat with big potential, shame it was used pretty bad during BfA, where devs couldn't decide if it's war or void expansion.

You must be fun at parties.

Has our lord and savior Towelliee had anything new and fresh to produce from his backside in regards to 10.0, seeing as he is the know-it-all in regards to future xpacs?

I remember a clip of him on Twitch saying that 10.0 will be better than Legion.

If Towelliee knows anything, he's failed to provide evidence of it.

[Catastrophy349]

Towelliee knows all! Submit!

[Santandame]

Catastrophy349 is so painfully affiliated with Blizzard in some way that I'm honestly surprised people have only started to pick up on it, and even more surprised that others are oblivious to it.

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Because literally no one cares about void elves but you here

His post was about the possibility of a Lorderon revamp though.

You're for sure the poster who consistently misses the point in this thread the most.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Blood Elves are not going to the Alliance. Their capital isn't either.


There is a reason why Blizzard regulated the Void Elves starting area to a place off Azeroth in a literal dark corner of the universe where nobody bothers them and they do not bother anybody else. The symbolism is quite telling.

Are you suggesting the last remnant of good characterization the Blood Elves have is their affiliation, and that taking that away would just make them generic High Elves, as well as make no sense after the numerous, numerous transgressions the Alliance committed against them? Are you implying they shouldn't entirely butcher the lore for the sake of aesthetic cohesion?