Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Velerios]

It isn't anymore. They could theoretically go as high as 10^308 HP.

It's also the only squish i consider actually needed, as the game was literally breaking from it (Ra-Den could, without excessive effort, breach the HP limit and become unkillable).

The big issue still is that counting such big numbers does in fact takes a bigger toll on server hardware than smaller ones; It is different is a server needs to calculate from 34567890 hp when you deal 1234 damage or from 23832008239189432973 hp when you deal 3493292343 damage. Also as you see at this point, numbers get simply too ridiculous; just think what this look like in a combat text. Yes, Squish was necessary after MoP; but blizzard does it in fact far too often now. That's because numbers inflates far too fast in this game right now.

[Revamp Man]

It is not a Mourneblade (or well it wasn't when Varian and Saurfang died wielding it), it doesn't steal people's souls.

If Varian anf Saurfang aren't just Anduin's hallucinations, I say the most Shallamayne does is to take an imprint of it users spirit, not their full souls.

thats kinda what i meant
now if you put on tinfoil and really go deep into it you can think of it like a back up to everyone who split the sword
Varian was the first so his two souls served as the requirement then he died and Anduin never really got recognized as the true wielder while Saurfang did and he split it

this requires us to look at the cutscene where Varian died and we saw the light in one of the blades go out but when Anduin found it there was a light. If we assume that splitting the sword causes the imprint and it needs two imprints then we have Saurfang as the second when he fought Sylvanas. Then we have Anduin during his little struggle manage to split it and the images of his two daddies kinda retreat back into the sword.

[crusadernero]

Don't want to come off as mean, but people are putting way too many thoughts in the plot. Maldraxxus is just a scourge sounding name like Naxxramas. It means nothing. That's the BfA situation all over again where people were asking themselves what bigger plan Sylvanas has and that it can't be that she is just evil. And in the end it was exactly that, Sylvanas just went rogue. The guys at Blizzard don't make such convoluted stories. The Jailer was the big bad of the expac, he's done and dusted, we will move on to something elseand very likely never hear of the Primus again. He does not pull the strings in the background.

Oh I dont really disagree with that. As i've already said the speculations are often times better than what actually Blizzard delivers. We have probably given Blizzard the benefit of the doubt to many times.

I fully expect this speculation to be nothing but that, but it its atleast cool to discuss the possibility of it being real. Its not like we have anything cool to talk about with the story anyway.

[Revamp Man]

Don't want to come off as mean, but people are putting way too many thoughts in the plot. Maldraxxus is just a scourge sounding name like Naxxramas. It means nothing. That's the BfA situation all over again where people were asking themselves what bigger plan Sylvanas has and that it can't be that she is just evil. And in the end it was exactly that, Sylvanas just went rogue. The guys at Blizzard don't make such convoluted stories. The Jailer was the big bad of the expac, he's done and dusted, we will move on to something elseand very likely never hear of the Primus again. He does not pull the strings in the background.

but like his memories were like manipulated because the primus was a super mind fuck ultra powerful villain and he planned on being a prisoner until we came back and planned on failing at every turn in stopping zovall

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And then during the campaign quests immediately following this character development by Anduin... he's unable to face the helm juju without help from the player character. In fact, he straight up says he will never be able to do it - until Sylvayassss queen goes "oh it isnt so hard, watch me hehe."

I was with you as well until playing out those quests. The moment the writing team shows a hint of skill they prove themselves wrong in the next moment.

to be fair
i think we literally did this pretty soon after it

[Syegfryed]

To be fair, South America already seems like it wouldn't constitute much of the playerbase. Nevertheless, though, I'm certain that any methods they use anywhere will increase the population by a fairly equal margin worldwide.

it would if it was not that expensive, people here are now turned to mobas especially because the easy access and free to play.

I never was able to bring new people to wow the moment they knew it had subscription, lol, its much easier to go for elder scrolls online by example if you want a mmo.

This does offer up the question of how Allied Races will work, but I suppose it's not difficult to resolve at all. It would be a vastly significant amount of work added on to the fairly manageable workload of the main races to add cities and questlines for them. I could see them sharing questlines and hubs with the main races—Lightforged and normal Draenei, Mag'Har and Orcs etc. would all work and I could see plenty of ways to emphasize the kinship between the base races and their Allied counterparts. The Nightborne and Blood Elves could have interesting quests to explore whatever they're up to with their arcs mostly-resolved and open up new plotlines from the otherwise-resolved races, and the Vulpera could just share with the Zandalari. The only sore thumb I can see is the Void Elves, who I don't think anybody cares about enough lorewise to warrant a new zone and questline, plus it would feel like cheating out other Allied Races in favor of a fairly banal one.

To me they can always share questline yeah, they are close enough for that, and would acttualy work pretty well in terms of worldbuilding, with how trolls and zandalari interact with each other, how the dark iron see and ideal with the other 3 clans.

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It will be a bit weird to see goblins and vulpera working together, but i can live with that, could have some fun interactions with goblins teaching then stuff.

[Lady Atia]

Don't want to come off as mean, but people are putting way too many thoughts in the plot. Maldraxxus is just a scourge sounding name like Naxxramas. It means nothing. That's the BfA situation all over again where people were asking themselves what bigger plan Sylvanas has and that it can't be that she is just evil. And in the end it was exactly that, Sylvanas just went rogue. The guys at Blizzard don't make such convoluted stories. The Jailer was the big bad of the expac, he's done and dusted, we will move on to something elseand very likely never hear of the Primus again. He does not pull the strings in the background.

But Sylvanas wasn't just evil? She thought she did everything for the greater good. Maybe you should replay Shadowlands again.

[huth]

The big issue still is that counting such big numbers does in fact takes a bigger toll on server hardware than smaller ones; It is different is a server needs to calculate from 34567890 hp when you deal 1234 damage or from 23832008239189432973 hp when you deal 3493292343 damage. Also as you see at this point, numbers get simply too ridiculous; just think what this look like in a combat text. Yes, Squish was necessary after MoP; but blizzard does it in fact far too often now. That's because numbers inflates far too fast in this game right now.

Not to a degree that really matters. What they need is a better number formatting, not a squish.

"Numbers get to ridiculous" is an excuse to not properly comprehend what they represent, not an actual problem.

[Nyel]

But Sylvanas wasn't just evil? She thought she did everything for the greater good. Maybe you should replay Shadowlands again.

This is basically the explanation every mass murderer and dictator in the past and present uses to justify their actions, lol. So no, it's neither a valid reason nor makes her actions less evil.

[Raetary]

But Sylvanas wasn't just evil? She thought she did everything for the greater good. Maybe you should replay Shadowlands again.

"I'm so good, i serve the chain guy that wants to dominate the universe! So i went ahead and started a world war, committed genocide, and helped an Old God that was like 5 seconds away from corrupting the very being that was needed by the chain guy to enact his plan in the first place.

Thousands of people are dead because of me, and all of them got sent to the cosmic torture chamber just to further my own goals!

But all is good, afte all i got sad that one time!
I just wanted FREE WILL! (... by forcing everyone to obey me)."

[Revamp Man]

But Sylvanas wasn't just evil? She thought she did everything for the greater good. Maybe you should replay Shadowlands again.

dude even shadowlands destroys this
lets ignore the original motivation we were sold for the genocide

she gets rid of the lich king who held the scourge in check
she teams up with a dude who says "im going to dominate the universe and take your world" but oh wait thats ok because "existence is broken and we dont have free will"
she does the same thing Arthas did to her but used the justification of "its too late"
she straight up tortures people
but it was for the greater good....was it??
she was all for the jailer and his plan until he triggered her with saying the word "serve" just like her trigger of "hope"
the guy wasnt deceptive or manipulative
the guy was straight up with everything and she was ready to sacrifice everyone who followed her but oh yeah greater good over here

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"I'm so good, i serve the chain guy that wants to dominate the universe! So i went ahead and started a world war, committed genocide, and helped an Old God that was like 5 seconds away from corrupting the very being that was needed by the chain guy to enact his plan in the first place.

Thousands of people are dead because of me, and all of them got sent to the cosmic torture chamber just to further my own goals!

But all is good, afte all i got sad that one time!
I just wanted FREE WILL! (... by forcing everyone to obey me)."

but she was manipulated by the jailer because how was she supposed to know the guy taht was telling her he would enslave the universe was going to actually do it

[draugril]

Not to a degree that really matters. What they need is a better number formatting, not a squish.

"Numbers get to ridiculous" is an excuse to not properly comprehend what they represent, not an actual problem.

Maybe if they weren't so intent on completely invalidating all content that precedes the current patch, they wouldn't have to deal with exponential power growth.

[Lady Atia]

dude even shadowlands destroys this
lets ignore the original motivation we were sold for the genocide

she gets rid of the lich king who held the scourge in check
she teams up with a dude who says "im going to dominate the universe and take your world" but oh wait thats ok because "existence is broken and we dont have free will"
she does the same thing Arthas did to her but used the justification of "its too late"
she straight up tortures people
but it was for the greater good....was it??
she was all for the jailer and his plan until he triggered her with saying the word "serve" just like her trigger of "hope"
the guy wasnt deceptive or manipulative
the guy was straight up with everything and she was ready to sacrifice everyone who followed her but oh yeah greater good over here

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but she was manipulated by the jailer because how was she supposed to know the guy taht was telling her he would enslave the universe was going to actually do it

But he never told her he wanted to enslave the universe 'till he got his powers back at the end of the Sanctum of Domination. T&E did a good video that summs it up quite well.

[Revamp Man]

But he never told her he wanted to enslave the universe 'till he got his powers back at the end of the Sanctum of Domination. T&E did a good video that summs it up quite well.

youre right
i forgot he didnt actually say it and all of his actions could have been interpreted as not that...you know the only way to get free will is to take it away and obviously the jailer who made Anduin Arthas 2.0 via Sylvanas was totally the good guy

also i will never watch a video from that soppy bollocks especially when all i need to do is look at the titles to know that its algorithm bait

[therumblings]

Basically the only way you can interpret Sylvanas at this point is ridiculously incompetently stupid heroic, or over the top evil and just plain boring.

[Revamp Man]

Basically the only way you can interpret Sylvanas at this point is ridiculously incompetently stupid heroic, or over the top evil and just plain boring.

but dude
listen he told her he could help her not die right
and she just had to work with all the baddies that we have seen recently like helya who was totally a good guy in legion
we cant blame her for helping the jailer out because she was sad and people kept triggering her so she had to
start a war
free an old god
let thousands die
kill her own people
abandon her own people
enslave Anduin
because she truly believed that this dude who tortured souls for a living was just the most upstanding guy

[Varodoc]

"Whaaa???? The evil-looking bald dude with BDSM chains and an evil-sounding voice wants to dominate the Universe??? No way dude, how could I have known!"

- Sylvanas, probably

Though as the Horde goes, that's par for the course. The only thing the Horde can do is regularly get manipulated by an evil power because they're too dumb and stupid to realize that the evil power doesn't actually care about them. And as usual it falls to the Alliance to fix their mistakes (Anduin giving Sylvanas the therapy session she desperately needed, for example). I just described to you the lore of Warcraft since WC1

[Catastrophy349]

Great way to start the morning! https://twitter.com/jeffahamilton/st...991875074?s=21

[Dragon ANX]

To be fair, South America already seems like it wouldn't constitute much of the playerbase. Nevertheless, though, I'm certain that any methods they use anywhere will increase the population by a fairly equal margin worldwide.

Sad player from SA here , but i agree that any new method that get wow sub to be included in any type of "pass" or "prime" would increase population worldwide, not just here in SA

[Osmeric]

Great way to start the morning! https://twitter.com/jeffahamilton/st...991875074?s=21

Why would someone not want to turn into a bronze dragon?

[NikolaiShade]

but dude
listen he told her he could help her not die right
and she just had to work with all the baddies that we have seen recently like helya who was totally a good guy in legion
we cant blame her for helping the jailer out because she was sad and people kept triggering her so she had to
start a war
free an old god
let thousands die
kill her own people
abandon her own people
enslave Anduin
because she truly believed that this dude who tortured souls for a living was just the most upstanding guy

Why shouldn't Sylvanas have trusted the guy who (basically) made Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination... just looking at the Jailer you know he's a nice and dependable guy. Honestly I was shocked by the "serve" line in the cinematic, I really thought he was a good guy... then I was proven right in the end cinematic, he was really a good guy...

PS: just in case, I'm being sarcastic