Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dioporco]

But he never told her he wanted to enslave the universe 'till he got his powers back at the end of the Sanctum of Domination. T&E did a good video that summs it up quite well.

shouldnt be better to link proper lore guy?

[Raetary]

So long as Blizzard heavily retoncs what happens in the novels, buying them is pointless.

[Dioporco]

youre right
i forgot he didnt actually say it and all of his actions could have been interpreted as not that...you know the only way to get free will is to take it away and obviously the jailer who made Anduin Arthas 2.0 via Sylvanas was totally the good guy

also i will never watch a video from that soppy bollocks especially when all i need to do is look at the titles to know that its algorithm bait

soppy bollocks rofl

he is insufferable

[Dracullus]

Would it be bad? I don't think so.

On the contrary. WoD, Legion and especially BfA marketing were flawless.

Strange that SL sold more copies and clearly had more people first days (cause there were queues afternoon on multiple days), despite weak theme and minimal marketing, hype just wasn't on Legion/BfA level in general. Imo it shows how stron were lockdown and Christmas factors.

[Dioporco]

On the contrary. WoD, Legion and especially BfA marketing were flawless.

Strange that SL sold more copies and clearly had more people first days (cause there were queues afternoon on multiple days), despite weak theme and minimal marketing, hype just wasn't on Legion/BfA level in general. Imo it shows how stron were lockdown and Christmas factors.

Because SL had 0 build up from Legion or BFA, it is like playing Baldur's Gate or Pathfinder Wrath of the Righterous while fighting demons and dragons you are suddenly launch in the hyper meta physic universe in cap 2 without any reasons

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Btw dunno if the green parrot guy here already noticed but on wow tools the Galakrond bones in the dragonblight map has gone missing this update.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So long as Blizzard heavily retoncs what happens in the novels, buying them is pointless.

What was the last novel they heavily retconned(excluding chronicles)?

Rise of the lichking and some shattering stuff is all that comes to mind as far as actual retcons go and not just characters changing there minds later on or not knowing of some one else’s actions like with sylvanas in BTS.

[Dioporco]

What was the last novel they heavily retconned(excluding chronicles)?

Rise of the lichking and some shattering stuff is all that comes to mind as far as actual retcons go and not just characters changing there minds later on or not knowing of some one else’s actions like with sylvanas in BTS.

9.2.5 still missing so we have no idea what in Shadow Risings or Sylvanas Book will be retconned or what the book will retcon.


The only thing we know is that the books have the lore / storytelling the game is missing

[Nyel]

On the contrary. WoD, Legion and especially BfA marketing were flawless.

Strange that SL sold more copies and clearly had more people first days (cause there were queues afternoon on multiple days), despite weak theme and minimal marketing, hype just wasn't on Legion/BfA level in general. Imo it shows how stron were lockdown and Christmas factors.

While I totally agree that they nailed the marketing for WoD and Legion, I am not sure about BfA. Was it that good? I really cannot remember. Or do you mean the Warbringer videos as part of the marketing etc.? If so yes, those did a great job in introducing us to crucial parts of the expansion. I just checked them again and Jaina has more views tham Azshara and Sylvanas combined (granted, the Jaina Warbringer was fantastic).

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Btw dunno if the green parrot guy here already noticed but on wow tools the Galakrond bones in the dragonblight map has gone missing this update.

Oh, curious to see what @Marlamin has to say about this!

[Raetary]

Btw dunno if the green parrot guy here already noticed but on wow tools the Galakrond bones in the dragonblight map has gone missing this update.

Oh, curious to see what @Marlamin has to say about this!

They have been missing since the map was mined.
The whole map has always been completely empty.

[Syegfryed]

9.2.5 still missing so we have no idea what in Shadow Risings or Sylvanas Book will be retconned or what the book will retcon.


The only thing we know is that the books have the lore / storytelling the game is missing

Gonna do a wild guess and say the book will retcon a lot of stuff since she jumped from icecrown, legion interaction with helya and her pact, all bfa and shadowlands, trying to make some sense in a storyline, since the public clearly didn't like it, basically a damage control situation, explaining how we were wrong all along, and how things rly are.

[Shadochi]

While I totally agree that they nailed the marketing for WoD and Legion, I am not sure about BfA. Was it that good? I really cannot remember. Or do you mean the Warbringer videos as part of the marketing etc.? If so yes, those did a great job in introducing us to crucial parts of the expansion. I just checked them again and Jaina has more views tham Azshara and Sylvanas combined (granted, the Jaina Warbringer was fantastic).

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Oh, curious to see what @Marlamin has to say about this!

He talked about it last night a bit.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...8#post53652518

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...5#post53652695

[ercarp]

Btw dunno if the green parrot guy here already noticed but on wow tools the Galakrond bones in the dragonblight map has gone missing this update.

Oh, curious to see what @Marlamin has to say about this!

He already did, a few pages ago:

Pretty much. The map itself isn't insignificant, but the fact it was "updated" pretty much is. Format updates, changes to files the map uses or some dev randomly opening it could all trigger updates. It's just another thing that got blown out of proportion by Reddit.

[Lahis]

My question with the whole Sylvanas / Jailer meeting is how did he circumvent the Arbiter in the first place?

Or was it just an illusion because he had part of her soul?

Or was she really destined for the Maw because the Arbiter knew what she would do. In which case, why didn't the Arbiter try to warn anyone what Zovaal was doing?

Doing suicide on top of ICC which already was Zovaal's conduit on Azeroth probably gave him chance to step in before Kyrians got Sylvana's soul.

Atleast that's how I believe Blizz will handwave this issue.

[Shadochi]

Gonna do a wild guess and say the book will retcon a lot of stuff since she jumped from icecrown, legion interaction with helya and her pact, all bfa and shadowlands, trying to make some sense in a storyline, since the public clearly didn't like it, basically a damage control situation, explaining how we were wrong all along, and how things rly are.

Hopefully the don't retcon Garrosh calling her a bitch. Make that a huge point after ICC that brought her to do what she did, WoW 10.0: Sylvanas, new class Sylvanas Justice Warrior (SJW)

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Do anyone know when we see a Vendor'd PTR how long it usually takes before it goes up?

[ercarp]

Hopefully the don't retcon Garrosh calling her a bitch. Make that a huge point after ICC that brought her to do what she did, WoW 10.0: Sylvanas, new class Sylvanas Justice Warrior (SJW)

I thought they already retconned that, no? Didn't they update the voice line a while back to remove the b-word?

[Syegfryed]

Hopefully the don't retcon Garrosh calling her a bitch. Make that a huge point after ICC that brought her to do what she did, WoW 10.0: Sylvanas, new class Sylvanas Justice Warrior (SJW)

they basically did that already with the removal of the dialogue.

But i don't doubt if they make an entire new narrative of how everyone, including garrosh, was to blame about her actions, everyone else push her to do this, she is not the one to blame

[deftualjuice]

Surprised this one wasn't posted yet. They say it's from some discord group.

Empire of Dragons really sounds like someone put "Black Empire" and "Dragon Isles" together, which is probably why the logo is all voidy, but the name sounds odd. Imagine creating such a good logo and then picking such a nonsense name.

[Shadochi]

I thought they already retconned that, no? Didn't they update the voice line a while back to remove the b-word?

they basically did that already with the removal of the dialogue.

Yes but i refuse to acknowledge it because that one quest left some of the most impact on me to remember from the revamped leveling zones, and I did it only once since I usually play Ally.

But i don't doubt if they make an entire new narrative of how everyone, including garrosh, was to blame about her actions, everyone else push her to do this, she is not the one to blame

That is what I fear, turn Sylvanas more into the victim and completely ignore all the victims to what she did.

[Varolyn]

If that logo is fake, then it's a really good fake since it does look very polished and has some unique designs to it, rather than the typical re-color of a past expansion logo with some assets swapped around that many fake logos have.

I almost want to believe that it's a real logo, but the expansion name is really dumb. But then again, I thought "Warlords of Draenor" and "Battle For Azeroth" were dumb names when they first leaked, and they ended up being true...