Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

But Sylvanas wasn't just evil? She thought she did everything for the greater good. Maybe you should replay Shadowlands again.

dude even shadowlands destroys this
lets ignore the original motivation we were sold for the genocide

she gets rid of the lich king who held the scourge in check
she teams up with a dude who says "im going to dominate the universe and take your world" but oh wait thats ok because "existence is broken and we dont have free will"
she does the same thing Arthas did to her but used the justification of "its too late"
she straight up tortures people
but it was for the greater good....was it??
she was all for the jailer and his plan until he triggered her with saying the word "serve" just like her trigger of "hope"
the guy wasnt deceptive or manipulative
the guy was straight up with everything and she was ready to sacrifice everyone who followed her but oh yeah greater good over here

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"I'm so good, i serve the chain guy that wants to dominate the universe! So i went ahead and started a world war, committed genocide, and helped an Old God that was like 5 seconds away from corrupting the very being that was needed by the chain guy to enact his plan in the first place.

Thousands of people are dead because of me, and all of them got sent to the cosmic torture chamber just to further my own goals!

But all is good, afte all i got sad that one time!
I just wanted FREE WILL! (... by forcing everyone to obey me)."

but she was manipulated by the jailer because how was she supposed to know the guy taht was telling her he would enslave the universe was going to actually do it

[draugril]

Not to a degree that really matters. What they need is a better number formatting, not a squish.

"Numbers get to ridiculous" is an excuse to not properly comprehend what they represent, not an actual problem.

Maybe if they weren't so intent on completely invalidating all content that precedes the current patch, they wouldn't have to deal with exponential power growth.

[Lady Atia]

dude even shadowlands destroys this
lets ignore the original motivation we were sold for the genocide

she gets rid of the lich king who held the scourge in check
she teams up with a dude who says "im going to dominate the universe and take your world" but oh wait thats ok because "existence is broken and we dont have free will"
she does the same thing Arthas did to her but used the justification of "its too late"
she straight up tortures people
but it was for the greater good....was it??
she was all for the jailer and his plan until he triggered her with saying the word "serve" just like her trigger of "hope"
the guy wasnt deceptive or manipulative
the guy was straight up with everything and she was ready to sacrifice everyone who followed her but oh yeah greater good over here

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but she was manipulated by the jailer because how was she supposed to know the guy taht was telling her he would enslave the universe was going to actually do it

But he never told her he wanted to enslave the universe 'till he got his powers back at the end of the Sanctum of Domination. T&E did a good video that summs it up quite well.

[Revamp Man]

But he never told her he wanted to enslave the universe 'till he got his powers back at the end of the Sanctum of Domination. T&E did a good video that summs it up quite well.

youre right
i forgot he didnt actually say it and all of his actions could have been interpreted as not that...you know the only way to get free will is to take it away and obviously the jailer who made Anduin Arthas 2.0 via Sylvanas was totally the good guy

also i will never watch a video from that soppy bollocks especially when all i need to do is look at the titles to know that its algorithm bait

[therumblings]

Basically the only way you can interpret Sylvanas at this point is ridiculously incompetently stupid heroic, or over the top evil and just plain boring.

[Revamp Man]

Basically the only way you can interpret Sylvanas at this point is ridiculously incompetently stupid heroic, or over the top evil and just plain boring.

but dude
listen he told her he could help her not die right
and she just had to work with all the baddies that we have seen recently like helya who was totally a good guy in legion
we cant blame her for helping the jailer out because she was sad and people kept triggering her so she had to
start a war
free an old god
let thousands die
kill her own people
abandon her own people
enslave Anduin
because she truly believed that this dude who tortured souls for a living was just the most upstanding guy

[Varodoc]

"Whaaa???? The evil-looking bald dude with BDSM chains and an evil-sounding voice wants to dominate the Universe??? No way dude, how could I have known!"

- Sylvanas, probably

Though as the Horde goes, that's par for the course. The only thing the Horde can do is regularly get manipulated by an evil power because they're too dumb and stupid to realize that the evil power doesn't actually care about them. And as usual it falls to the Alliance to fix their mistakes (Anduin giving Sylvanas the therapy session she desperately needed, for example). I just described to you the lore of Warcraft since WC1

[Catastrophy349]

Great way to start the morning! https://twitter.com/jeffahamilton/st...991875074?s=21

[Dragon ANX]

To be fair, South America already seems like it wouldn't constitute much of the playerbase. Nevertheless, though, I'm certain that any methods they use anywhere will increase the population by a fairly equal margin worldwide.

Sad player from SA here , but i agree that any new method that get wow sub to be included in any type of "pass" or "prime" would increase population worldwide, not just here in SA

[Osmeric]

Great way to start the morning! https://twitter.com/jeffahamilton/st...991875074?s=21

Why would someone not want to turn into a bronze dragon?

[NikolaiShade]

but dude
listen he told her he could help her not die right
and she just had to work with all the baddies that we have seen recently like helya who was totally a good guy in legion
we cant blame her for helping the jailer out because she was sad and people kept triggering her so she had to
start a war
free an old god
let thousands die
kill her own people
abandon her own people
enslave Anduin
because she truly believed that this dude who tortured souls for a living was just the most upstanding guy

Why shouldn't Sylvanas have trusted the guy who (basically) made Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination... just looking at the Jailer you know he's a nice and dependable guy. Honestly I was shocked by the "serve" line in the cinematic, I really thought he was a good guy... then I was proven right in the end cinematic, he was really a good guy...

PS: just in case, I'm being sarcastic

[Khaza-R]

My question with the whole Sylvanas / Jailer meeting is how did he circumvent the Arbiter in the first place?

Or was it just an illusion because he had part of her soul?

Or was she really destined for the Maw because the Arbiter knew what she would do. In which case, why didn't the Arbiter try to warn anyone what Zovaal was doing?

[Myradin]

My question with the whole Sylvanas / Jailer meeting is how did he circumvent the Arbiter in the first place?

Or was it just an illusion because he had part of her soul?

Or was she really destined for the Maw because the Arbiter knew what she would do. In which case, why didn't the Arbiter try to warn anyone what Zovaal was doing?

What they should have done is made it so that everyone made undead by the jailor's power (ie, the scourge) instantly went to the Maw because they were considered a minion of zovaal and thus a threat to the Shadowlands (which is what the maw is supposed to contain).

This would explain why everyone whose seen the shadowlands before the expansion saw the maw pretty much. This would also give the Forsaken extra impotus to not want to just pass away now that they have their revenge.

The only problem is this robs us of the 'uther tossing arthas into the maw' storyline.

[Shadochi]

My question with the whole Sylvanas / Jailer meeting is how did he circumvent the Arbiter in the first place?

Or was it just an illusion because he had part of her soul?

Or was she really destined for the Maw because the Arbiter knew what she would do. In which case, why didn't the Arbiter try to warn anyone what Zovaal was doing?

I don't think the Arbiter sees what souls will do in the future once they reach their destination. So it could be that she was destined for the Maw.

It also could be as you said that he could connect with part of her soul since he had it in a domination piece.
Tbh this isn't really a plot problem since there are many ways it could happen. And we also don't really know how talkative the Arbiter replacement was or did it just have the task to filter souls and sometimes say something prerecorded about the Purpose.

[huth]

I don't think the Arbiter sees what souls will do in the future once they reach their destination. So it could be that she was destined for the Maw.

It also could be as you said that he could connect with part of her soul since he had it in a domination piece.
Tbh this isn't really a plot problem since there are many ways it could happen. And we also don't really know how talkative the Arbiter replacement was or did it just have the task to filter souls and sometimes say something prerecorded about the Purpose.

Even if she wasn't destined for the Maw, she'd probably at least get sent to Revendreth. Remember who was in charge there at the time.

[Raetary]

Sylvanas went to the Maw thanks to the Jailer having her Soulshard in his posession.

Her being "destined for the Maw" is laughable when Rev has souls in it that make Sylvanas look like a saint.

[Alanar]

Great way to start the morning! https://twitter.com/jeffahamilton/st...991875074?s=21

I dont get it...

[Catastrophy349]

I'm actually quite excited for the Sylvanas novel. I'm not happy that her story is being told in a novel versus in-game. However, since we can't change that fact, I'm still interested to see what is said.

[Shadochi]

I'm actually quite excited for the Sylvanas novel. I'm not happy that her story is being told in a novel versus in-game. However, since we can't change that fact, I'm still interested to see what is said.

Thing is this isn't anything new in recent expansions. There was always plenty of stuff being told in books, and a lot of character development being done. It is an easier media for that goal than ingame, unless you want to bore the player base with short quests followed by long cutscenes.
But I do agree that they should with a book put in also some info about it ingame, not everything but the important.

But I think the worse for this was MoP (SoO) to WoD transition.

[Bsirk]

There's also Northern Lordaeron that we still know nothing about and is the only closed-off area left in the old world.

Uther's Tomb, located in Eastern Lordaeron, was also updated in BfA.

Let it be known that I consider myself modest, but I 100% expect to be proven right about an expansion centred in Dragon Isles with major developments with the Void and Lordaeron too.

Nothing against you man, but when someone tries to say they are modest in more than post, they're not. A modest person would never have to confirm they're modest, their posts would do that for them. Your posts are anything but modest. lol