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    The last chapter was already datamined and spoiled weeks ago.
    Dont know if Wowhead still has it up or maybe blizz asked them to delete it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrja View Post
    The last chapter was already datamined and spoiled weeks ago.
    Dont know if Wowhead still has it up or maybe blizz asked them to delete it.
    Not really. There was a jumping animation and some dialogue between Primus and Bolvar. That's it. Guess we'll see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    Not really. There was a jumping animation and some dialogue between Primus and Bolvar. That's it. Guess we'll see!
    Well there is that, and also some datamined dialogue from Sylvanas talking about how she will spend eternity looking for her one true love, which likely means Nathanos given he just disappeared.

    There is likely some juicy dialogue from Tyrande specifically giving a reason for why Sylvanas does what she does and isnt executed on the spot, but it isnt exactly difficult to surmise what happens from combining it being Sylvanas' trial, her jumping animation, and her big talk about searching the Shadowlands/Maw forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I can only assume you haven't paid much attention over the years, because Ghostcrawler communicated constantly and got shit on 24/7 for it.
    1. Still he had the best CM skill as Dev Lead

    2. He counter replied every rant tweet

    3. He was the class balance responsible for 3 expac in which classes felt unique and with high skill cap

    4. He took all the flame from the cry babies and clapped them on social media


    Completely different than ion so dunno what your are talking

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    In regards to Lore, it’s complicated. Players didn’t feel they were being heard, so they retaliated.

    Ultimately Lore can block those with zero etiquette or respond in kind. He was screwed either way because acknowledging a problem in the game makes players assume it’s a promise to fix said problem. You can thank whoever managed the role of CM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    And Greg Street deserved it. If you actually had the chance to talk with him a little bit more you would have noticed he is deeply elitist and toxic. No wonder he was part of Afrasiabis Cosby gang. Same rotten mindset.

    It is good he went to riot. He deserves to be there. As like anyone he hired and was in charge for.
    Street may have been elitist, but he was also a realist about it. He came to realize that elitism in the design of WoW would not work. I'm guessing that's why he left.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
    "Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Well there is that, and also some datamined dialogue from Sylvanas talking about how she will spend eternity looking for her one true love, which likely means Nathanos given he just disappeared.

    There is likely some juicy dialogue from Tyrande specifically giving a reason for why Sylvanas does what she does and isnt executed on the spot, but it isnt exactly difficult to surmise what happens from combining it being Sylvanas' trial, her jumping animation, and her big talk about searching the Shadowlands/Maw forever.
    What if she IS executed so that is why she will spend an eternity looking for Nathanos in the Shadowlands

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    Street may have been elitist, but he was also a realist about it. He came to realize that elitism in the design of WoW would not work. I'm guessing that's why he left.
    And WoW still survived a decade after he left. Was he right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    And WoW still survived a decade after he left. Was he right?
    I think he clearly was right. The game survived to the extent it avoided elitism.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
    "Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    I don't know who started this rumor that it epilogue was moved to 9.2.5 PTR. Funny enough, people that I asked were pretty certain about it, yet no one gave me a source beside Danuser quote that they will hide it. But it simple didn't make any sense - releasing 9.2 story in March, then new expansion on April then last short SL chapter in ~June? No one will care about SL story at this point, we will all talk about 10.0.

    9.2.5 will be just system patch, no point to continue SL story because no one cares, no point to start 10.0 story before pre-patch. I doubt they will wait for 'empty' week to start PTR, but if they will 5th April doesn't have anything (29th March epilogue, 12th April creation catalyst).
    It was merely removed from the 9.2 PTR... but Blizzard has been able to hotfix in quests for a while now. So just the usual people having no clue what they're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Can we stop shitting and putting all the blame on individual employees?
    No, josh - a single CM, is not responsible for the entirety of Blizzards shitty management issues.
    Tbh I'm all for blaming Ion for the anti-fun systems and Danuser for the garbage writing, but Lore was a Community Manager... which means he wasn't even a developer. He's like the last person people should be blaming for Blizzard's fuck-ups. And I for one am happy for him that he got off the ship before it sinks completely. I can only imagine how depressing it must have been to work at a company that's actively digging its own grave.

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    If the Sylvanas book is next week, I imagine we should see some early spoilers soon as some stores or deliveries ship early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    In which way did it survive elitism?
    I didn't say it did. I said that, to the extent it survived, it was because of where it was avoiding elitism. It's the same way an alcoholic survives by avoiding alcohol.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
    "Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Can we stop shitting and putting all the blame on individual employees?
    No, josh - a single CM, is not responsible for the entirety of Blizzards shitty management issues.
    He was the community manager. Responsible for any and all interaction and communication with the player base. Not all issues are his fault, but the lack of listening and processing feedback, which i've said, definitely was his sole responsibility. And he failed hard.
    Like ofc im not gonna blame him for the shit writing or garbage systems, that is not his department.
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    Saw this post on the official forums, and I liked quite a few points it made. Aligns quite well with what I’ve observed;

    While a lot of people have acknowledged the Dragon hints littered throughout BFA and Shadowlands, I think they have really ignored the Goblin/Gnome hints dropped in the same time frame. So while many anticipate a dragon expansion, people are seemingly ignoring the equally strong possibility that a Gnome/Goblin expansion would be attached to it. While on the surface, such an idea seems crazy, if you look at the actual hints that we’ve gotten, it actually makes a lot of sense.

    Here we go;

    1. Expanded Goblin and Gnome lore in BFA that has overall strengthened both races. We have new Goblin leadership under Gazlowe, the rediscovery of Kezan, and Gnomes uniting under Mekkatorque.

    2. Gallywix being deposed, disappearing, then reappearing in Shadowlands making deals with the Brokers. Setting him up as a potential antagonist.

    3. Hints of the Tinker class in Island Expeditions during BFA and Tinker NPCs on Exile’s Reach.

    4. In 2010, a Blizzard developer stated the following; “the goblin starting zone was only a small segment of the actual whole’ of Kezan”, and that the goblins “did want to go back to Undermine and the other goblin land holdings, just a question of when.” We’ve went back to the other Goblin land holdings in BFA. We still haven’t gone back to Undermine yet.

    5. The Blizzard “Save the Date” map shows the current map of Azeroth. If you look at the map, the space between Kalimdor, Malestrom, and Pandaria are devoid of any new landmasses, while the opposite side of the Malestrom are packed with them. It would make sense to place a large landmass in this area, and Undermine fits this area in terms of lore and potential size.

    6. Undermine, like the Dragon Isles, was originally proposed as a landmass to be included in Vanilla. Undermine even shows up in early maps of WoW as a continent in south seas directly east of Kalimdor (see number 5).

    7. In 8.3.5 and 9.1 Blizzard released the Steamscale Incinerator and the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling respectively. Both these items used the same skin and were companion items. The items merged dragon and tech themes together, with the Steamscale’s lore even saying it was built by a Gnome. The Steamscale was included in the Dragon Pack this past December, and was ironically the only mount that resembled a traditional dragon.

    8. Lore ties Goblins to the Black Dragonflight as the makers of the Demon Soul/Dragon Soul and Deathwing’s original armor plates.

    9. Mechagon- A possible test run for a technological/gadgeteering zone with subterranean city elements. Very close in concept to Undermine.

    10. Blizzard seemingly wanting to return to a more grounded and down to earth expansion. You don’t get more down to Earth than Undermine.
    I largely agree with an expansion revolving around Undermine and the Dragon Isles.

    I guess we’ll see what happens on April 19th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Saw this post on the official forums, and I liked quite a few points it made. Aligns quite well with what I’ve observed;



    I largely agree with an expansion revolving around Undermine and the Dragon Isles.

    I guess we’ll see what happens on April 19th.
    To add to this, there is also the whole plotline of the Blingtron war that is unexplored.
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_War

    However with the Eternium sea I am unsure if the war is going on on Azeroth, Outland or Draenor. Another fun tidbit is that they didn't add a blingtron in Shadowlands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowlands-is-fake View Post
    I'm sort of leaning this way:

    66% likelihood of it being Dragon Isles-related (but probably with a mix of other themes as well).

    16% likelihood of it being Goblins and Gnomes. Digging into the earth to restart Azeroth would be fun as hell. Imagine the underground caverns!

    16% likelihood of it being something a little less anticipated, such as a strange amalgam of Light vs Void on Eastern Kingdoms, Elunaria, and whatever else.

    Either way, I am almost positive that we'll see some form of a world revamp. I really hope it's a big one that completely overhauls Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms, but I think it's quite likely they'll do the typical deflated Blizzard thing and announce that they're remaking two zones per expansion over the next 10 years or something.
    What the WoW forum post is stating is exactly what your first point is. That the gnomes and goblins will be an additional plot to Dragons. It wouldn't be nice to have just dragon stuff for 24 months, they are definitely going to mix it up if they end up doing it, like in Cata with Elemental and Old God stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    To add to this, there is also the whole plotline of the Blingtron war that is unexplored.
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_War

    However with the Eternium sea I am unsure if the war is going on on Azeroth, Outland or Draenor. Another fun tidbit is that they didn't add a blingtron in Shadowlands.
    Eh, I would classify that stuff on the same level as ETC. Yes, it's present in-game, but it's clearly tongue-in-cheek lore that would never actually influence the overall narrative. Just as we'd never have ETC stage diving onto the scene to deal the finishing blow to the Jailer, we'd never get a Blingtron War-centric expansion, or even patch, dungeon or zone. It's there "for the lols," purely for fun, and while technically canon... not really canon. Or only as canon as one's confirmation bias would lead oneself to believe, perhaps.

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    As for a world revamp, I hope it is different than the Cata one.
    Merge/split zones where it makes sense based on themes, make more evergreen storylines to develop new characters, don't worry about following existing continet outlines/borders too closely (shaped should be similar to the continents but doesn't have to be 1:1 replica).
    Introduce allied race settlements to zones.

    Most of the zones and themes they already have newer assets they can use or slightly modify, biggest missing are dwarves and blood elves I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Saw this post on the official forums, and I liked quite a few points it made. Aligns quite well with what I’ve observed;



    I largely agree with an expansion revolving around Undermine and the Dragon Isles.

    I guess we’ll see what happens on April 19th.
    This, all of this.

    This has been my endgame theory since I found out about the mech whelp for the anniversary event.

    But people find it hard to believe you could combine to tinker lore with dragons. Lack of imagination unfortunately.

    It's simple, wrathion is searching for the isles and just recently Mother joined his entourage. So far he has no leads and other dragons haven't helped.

    So what if the isles are cloaked via titan tech similar to Uldum was before the cataclysm. Wrathion could head down to Undermine to employ the help of the Tinker's Union to combine their tech with Mother's to try and locate the dragon isles and create transportation between the isles and UM.

    They do so and wrathion funds the TU in gratitude allowing them to spread their is influence, boom now you got the tinker class in a Draconic expansion.

    And if people have read my long ass post yesterday about Elune and dragons, you'll have no doubt the dragon isles will be 10.0. How we get there will decide the new class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Eh, I would classify that stuff on the same level as ETC. Yes, it's present in-game, but it's clearly tongue-in-cheek lore that would never actually influence the overall narrative. Just as we'd never have ETC stage diving onto the scene to deal the finishing blow to the Jailer, we'd never get a Blingtron War-centric expansion, or even patch, dungeon or zone. It's there "for the lols," purely for fun, and while technically canon... not really canon. Or only as canon as one's confirmation bias would lead oneself to believe, perhaps.
    I can easily see it being a patch area in an expansion that has gnomes and goblins as one of the themes (which could be included in the dragon expansion). Especially after the addition of Mechagon.

    Could even go the route of 8.2 and have that be one zone and a dragon zone for the second
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