Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Khaza-R]

Shadowlands zones were far from being its problems, and honestly I don't hear any real tangible complaints about them being 'disjointed' at all.

Of all the things to bitch about Shadowlands, this is what you decide to pick?

There's been lots of complaints about it, actually. Especially how it diminishes the usefulness of flying. Or how it arbitrarily wastes time with useless FPs that could be portals.

Literally anything would be more light-hearted than a literal Death-themed expansion. That's not really saying much.

I meant relative to WoW overall storytelling. Not specifically compared to Shadowlands.

[Teriz]

There's been lots of complaints about it, actually. Especially how it diminishes the usefulness of flying. Or how it arbitrarily wastes time with useless FPs that could be portals.

I have heard this complaint as well. I've seen quite a few players express interest in a return to a connected landmass/continent in the next expansion largely because of Shadowlands.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

They better come up with something huge if it takes that long. The world revamp dreams lives on... right?

Very strongly now. Along with the glimmers of potentially something more. A M+ season that brings back old dungeons, cross-faction grouping, there's a lot of seeds that could say Blizz is going for a major modernization of WoW's gameplay loop.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Very strongly now. Along with the glimmers of potentially something more. A M+ season that brings back old dungeons, cross-faction grouping, there's a lot of seeds that could say Blizz is going for a major modernization of WoW's gameplay loop.

I'm really enthusiastic about the idea of timewalking becoming a permanent thing. It would add SO much to the game (especially if they add more cosmetic and fun rewards to it, to encourage collectors to participate).

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Wowhead's datamining 9.2.5 apparently, 7 new models so far.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Probably 2%

Well, let's see—since we have no information at all that is actaully reliable, we therefore have to assume based on the entire possible data set. Discounting all days up to April 19th, which is the day it will be announced, as I doubt it could be released before we know what it is, we can further determine that we can subtract the total by 109. Since this is a common year, the number of days will be 365, so 256 days are now possible. Assuming that "Later November - Early December" means between November 25th and December 10th, let's assume that means that we're counting those 16 days. 16 is 6.25% of 256, so therefore the likelihood of the expansion being released between November 25th and December 10th is exactly 6.25%.

Since we have no inside information aside from our own extrapolations, we cannot actually make a well-educated guess as to the release date of the expansion based on actual numerical quantities, so we naturally have to hold everything Ceteris Paribus until then.

In actuality, it is realistically likely to expect the expansion sometime in August - November, as the vast majority of expansion releases thus far have been, especially in recent memory. However, we can't actually numerically estimate it (though we can, theoretically, cut it down to any of those months this year and calculate the likelihood of it falling on any given day in those months, or which of those months it will be).

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I'm pretty happy if Blizzard are making all Raid Tiers in an expansion relevant. Yes, there's itemization concern but Mythic already had them. Variety is the spice of life and I think it is really nice.

Obviously I'd prefer Progressive Raiding than to just basically upgrade ilvl every Season. But, hey I am liking this!

Good stuff, happy to see that Q4 2022 is dead in the water now. Thank fuck.

[micwini]

Shadowlands Season 4. This is another point for team world revamp.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I'm really enthusiastic about the idea of timewalking becoming a permanent thing. It would add SO much to the game (especially if they add more cosmetic and fun rewards to it, to encourage collectors to participate).

It would also make just playing the game more interesting. Instead of spamming the same two dungeons for two years you can pull from 20 years of content.

Not to always bring it back to this, but stick some kind of catch-up currency (let's say Justice Points) on letting the game pick you a dungeon at random once a day.

Boom, now leveling players can find groups for stuff like Siege of Boralus or Deadmines again.

[rainhard]

Shadowlands Season 4. This is another point for team world revamp.

It is an inevitable outcome, maybe not xpac or the other but it will happen and we will finally experience classic wow zones in HD+.

[LordyLordy]

it seems that they think that the vast amount of dead content from previous expansions can be resurrected and turned evergreen

I'm into this! Too bad it's only for Mythic dungeons and raiders right now, but maybe they'll do seasonal content for us filthy casuals as well.

[Osmeric]

My bet is on that project Paradox anyway:

https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread...f-warcraft-100

There was a lot about that "leak" that made sense. SL does feel like development abortion due to budget being slashed.

But that could just mean the leaker is a skilled liar.

[therumblings]

Wowhead's datamining 9.2.5 apparently, 7 new models so far.

Link? /10char

[Grimbold21]

Season 4

Pros: reusing content from previous content

Cons: reusing content from previous content - the likely angle here being that it excuses them from creating new content. I'm not arguing this is the case, just that it's likely an angle to be exploited by critics.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

There was a lot about that "leak" that made sense. SL does feel like development abortion due to budget being slashed.

But that could just mean the leaker is a skilled liar.

Expansion title would be known by now. And I'm still convinced they won't patchwork revamp, especially now that we're looking at a 2023 launch.

Link? /10char

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...37380294447106

[guro-tchai]

Link? /10char

just stiven's twitter, nothing visual atm.

that's almost impossible, but what if they are actually doing Wow 2 à la Overwatch? wowdev1 is the legacy evergreen wow, wowdev2 is classic, wowdev3 is the future.

[therumblings]

Expansion title would be known by now. And I'm still convinced they won't patchwork revamp, especially now that we're looking at a 2023 launch.


https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...37380294447106

just stiven's twitter, nothing visual atm.

that's almost impossible, but what if they are actually doing Wow 2 à la Overwatch? wowdev1 is the legacy evergreen wow, wowdev2 is classic, wowdev3 is the future.

Thanks. I guess we will see the ptr up today? unless they want to wait for next tuesday.

[Seasz]

Shadowlands Season 4. This is another point for team world revamp.

and definitely confirms the existence of a scrapped SL tier.

[Sondrelk]

I'm pretty happy if Blizzard are making all Raid Tiers in an expansion relevant. Yes, there's itemization concern but Mythic already had them. Variety is the spice of life and I think it is really nice.

Obviously I'd prefer Progressive Raiding than to just basically upgrade ilvl every Season. But, hey I am liking this!

Good stuff, happy to see that Q4 2022 is dead in the water now. Thank fuck.

I don't think making all the raids valid is the correct move as that just places undue pressure on making tier sets and trinkets that are not too disruptive, which tends to mean fewer fun abilities.

What I would like though is making more old raids into Timewalking, and have them on a rotation so you can gear through several avenues on a more lenient lockout, maybe 2-3 months per raid.
So you do the first raid of 10.0, but you can also get gear from NM and possibly HC versions of Isle of Thunder, which later in the tier swaps to Blackrock Foundry. Next tier maybe it's raids in Firelands and Battle for Dazar'alor?

Also how is Q4 2022 dead in the water? We don't know anything about the expansion at all other than that there will be a later tier that is specifically stated to be designed with less prestige in mind.
A 2022 release isnt off the table until it is either specifically stated, or Alpha/Beta starts much later than what would allow a full development cycle in time for a release.

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and definitely confirms the existence of a scrapped SL tier.

I mean, does it? WoD also had an extra "season" at the end, and all that had were recolors of the same appearances from the previous one. No reason to assume this won't be the same and just give another couple unused mount tints.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Season 4 "intention announcement" seems interesting... specifically adding new M+ dungeon selections into the current pool is always welcomed. For the WoD choices I've voted for Grimrail Depot (get mad haters) and Upper Blackrock Spire.


Adding a seasonal affix to all of the Shadowlands raids and making them all relevant again is an awesome idea... but I wonder how loot scaling will go. I assume LFR, Normal, Heroic, and Mythic item levels will scale the same across all of the raids?
"More power levels of raid loot dropping throughout all of them" ...so I can chase after my beloved Occular Gland again. Lit.


Also don't expect 10.0 to launch in the first 2 quarters of 2023. Late 2023/early 2024 is my guess now.