Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dioporco]

Many conflate surviving with thriving. And as we've been given no hard direct data on the health of the game (and can't agree on what "health" even means in this context), this isn't a discussion that ever goes anywhere in either direction.

Even without doing insane pepomath with r.io data / wlogs data / keystone.io data etc etc to estimate the number of player, which is roughly 1.2milion atm, that doesnt actually tells us the quality of a game even if WRATH had 12milion players.


We saw a shifting trending from WOD to SL of players quitting because convoluted and grindy systems repeating each expac, and how easily the dev team restored tier sets or swapping covenant or conduits energy after a huge sink of players the last Fall.


Also the fact that Classic got a way larger success than Shadowlands, for its super short lifespawn, for a game that had basically the "kill boss get loot rinse and repeat" system, something means and not "ehuehuhe PiNk TiNtEd GoOgLeS"

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In my mind it's high improbable that after the disasters of BFA and SL (and the scandals) and all other clownery around Blizzard 10.0 will be just another filler, cookie-cutter xpac. I expect some groundbreaking changes and renovations which players will either fall in love with or utterly hate. It's a gamble situation, but either way I don't think it will just be some regurgitated systems ala Legion / BFA / SL. :

https://www.twitch.tv/towelliee/clip...e=7d&sort=time

He's probably full of shit, but overall he has shilled 10.0 like 3 times that has been clipped on Twitch and claims it will be amazing. Keep in mind that Legion basically reinvigorated the game. He "MIGHT" know SOMETHING, even if vague, which he deems to be very good.

Toweliee is probably one of the few streamer that actually lives near Blizz HQ and hang out with them, so he is allowed to give some "bits" just to keep the hype.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Nope, not sure where you got that from but there's no more encrypted cinematics left currently in the files. There are a cutscene or two left though.

So that means for sure we won't have a cinematic for Sylvanas' Judgement? God I hope not... this deserves a proper cinematic.

[Triceron]

You mean like how they learned their lesson with the disjointed zones in Cataclysm but then tripled down on the same concept and made it worst in Shadowlands?

Shadowlands zones were far from being its problems, and honestly I don't hear any real tangible complaints about them being 'disjointed' at all.

Of all the things to bitch about Shadowlands, this is what you decide to pick?

Anyways, I fully expect the next expansion theme to be much more light-hearted after Shadowlands. Regardless of what the overarching theme is.

Literally anything would be more light-hearted than a literal Death-themed expansion. That's not really saying much.

[Shadochi]

From today's campaign quest





Thought it was interesting that Voraxxi said our cosmos is forfeit. Also who are the scryers? TBC faction?

/e there is an npc called automa scryer that is used to create the arbiter lol so nvm..

I believe this doesn't refer to the faction as it isn't capitalized, but some group that can scry

[therumblings]

I don't really understand the disjointed zone complaint at all for SL. Two of the zones you just teleport to, and the others take 30 second flight paths. It's also an artistic choice, I think that is a benefit to the worldbuilding of this expansion.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I don't really understand the disjointed zone complaint at all for SL. Two of the zones you just teleport to, and the others take 30 second flight paths. It's also an artistic choice, I think that is a benefit to the worldbuilding of this expansion.

In this expansion it makes sense and works, as those are basically pocket-realms of another dimension, but in general disjointed zones are meh. It removes some of the grandeur of the new continent imho.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Shadowlands Season 4 torpedos any remaining hope some folks had for a 2022 launch.

Frankly I'm even nervous now about a Q1 2023 launch. This thing's looking like it'll be "Spring 2023."


I am very interested in that Mythic+ shakeup though. Is Blizz finally going to embrace Perma-Timewalking?

[Fahrad Wagner]

Shadowlands Season 4 torpedos any remaining hope some folks had for a 2022 launch.

Frankly I'm even nervous now about a Q1 2023 launch. This thing's looking like it'll be "Spring 2023."

Why so? This season could be shorter than others, we don't know for sure if it means Q1 2023 expansion or later.

[therumblings]

I am very interested in that Mythic+ shakeup though. Is Blizz finally going to embrace Perma-Timewalking?

Hopefully a delayed 10.0 will make them reconsider a lot of things about the game, I am legit optimistic after reading that post.

[rainhard]

From today's campaign quest





Thought it was interesting that Voraxxi said our cosmos is forfeit. Also who are the scryers? TBC faction?

/e there is an npc called automa scryer that is used to create the arbiter lol so nvm..

Why specify your cosmos does that mean there are other cosmos or something like that? or means that the one jailer would make wont be.

[Vasoka]

What're the chances 10.0 launches late November / early December?

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Why so? This season could be shorter than others, we don't know for sure if it means Q1 2023 expansion or later.

Yeah Q1 isn't out entirely but if it's the same length I'm getting nervous.

It also depends on when "later this year" is. I saw that and assumed Fall.

[therumblings]

What're the chances 10.0 launches late November / early December?

Probably 2%

[Dracullus]

I must say, Blizzard really surprised me with Season 4 news. Although it's logical move.

What're the chances 10.0 launches late November / early December?

With today news? Zero.

[Super Dickmann]

Getting ahead of that SoO/HFC-tier drought announcement. Better to let the expansion cook so it's more Legion and less SL. We'll know how much assets they've got ready even visually by what gets revealed next month.

[Chickat]

Shadowlands Season 4 torpedos any remaining hope some folks had for a 2022 launch.

Frankly I'm even nervous now about a Q1 2023 launch. This thing's looking like it'll be "Spring 2023."


I am very interested in that Mythic+ shakeup though. Is Blizz finally going to embrace Perma-Timewalking?

Yeah, im personally guessing on an April 2023 release date now. I mean its gonna suck, but if it gives them the time they need for the expansion WoW needs and deserves what ever.

[Vasoka]

We will know exactly what they've planned in less than a month. Don't worry, trust the plan.

[Chickat]

Yeah Q1 isn't out entirely but if it's the same length I'm getting nervous.

It also depends on when "later this year" is. I saw that and assumed Fall.

Yeah, guessing 2 6 month ish seasons. The earliest the expansion could release while having 2 seasons is December, but they would be short seasons and its 99% not December. Its gonna be Spring 2023. Honestly, I hope 10.0 is so good that they don't release 11.0 until Fall 2025. Give us 5 tiers, all amazing.

[Kiivar86]

From today's campaign quest





Thought it was interesting that Voraxxi said our cosmos is forfeit. Also who are the scryers? TBC faction?

/e there is an npc called automa scryer that is used to create the arbiter lol so nvm..

The Scryers are a faction but a scryer is simply one who scries, basically one who can tell the future using a crystal ball or similar device in fantasy and lore.

[guro-tchai]

>SL season 4

it probably means that the 10.0 will take even more time than expected. considering the season's features, it's likely the future of wow. they've done it before - introducing something big at the end of the expansion, like regular mythic dungeons, world scaling and flex raids. and it seems that they think that the vast amount of dead content from previous expansions can be resurrected and turned evergreen
if the next expac takes so much time, did they manage the production poorly or is it that big? world revamp is suddenly slightly more possible.
i wonder if they will make it fully canon and explained in lore, tying bronze dragons into it.