Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dioporco]

Yes.
You not liking content doesn't somehow disqualify it from being content.

Same for thinking that not having zone like this means no endgame in previous expac.

[therumblings]

Same for thinking that not having zone like this means no endgame in previous expac.

No one is claiming there was no endgame. Generally speaking players want new zones per patch, to explore, quest, loot and play around in, rather than sit in just the main continent for an entire expansion.

[Bearerofbadnews]

Found the leak I was thinking of.

I cannot post it due to being new, but there is a leak on MMO that is just titled 10.0 leak.

*9.2.5 pre-expansion event being put together is huge. Lots of reused events like earthquakes and invasions but also a massive Timewalking event that's being designed as a "mini-season-of-mastery" across lots of Azeroth centric dungeons and raids. Devs want players familiar with the history of Azeroth before 10.0, a “big tour” of old events and lore.*

This seems a little on the nose. Like either a hell of a guess or outdated information that gets close.

That is not at all related to "Lordaeron/North EK areas getting continuation stories". We have yet to see anything on Kalimdor aside from one mention of Teldrassil in the files.

So far the only things getting content in 2.5 are the Dark Iron, Forsaken and Blood Elves.

[Ersula]

And that is fine, it doesnt need to be anything insane.

But the Tyrande Night Warrior is a dead plotline and if you compare to the leak, there is some range of plot twist.

The Elune dead plotline

The muezala dead plotline which is basically introducing him and "killing" him in the same dungeon after pushing him in Legion and BFA

Tyrande's storyline was a pretty on-the-nose illustration of the theme they were going for with Sylvanas. Sylvanas' thirst for vengeance led her down this path, a path that without repentance would lead to her destruction. And Tyrande took a bargain of Vengeance that would literally kill her if she completed it. So they both decide to let go of that Vengeance.

Technically we don't know the formal ending of these plotlines because the actual conclusion is next week.

WoD had Challenge Mode (which are literally the m+ progenitor) maybe you never done those but those were a source of loot in WoD for a while, and the Coliseum..

Challenge Mode started in MoP.

I really enjoyed WoD, so just let go this idea that more content means good content.

[Raetary]

Same for thinking that not having zone like this means no endgame in previous expac.

Good thing that nobody said that then.

[Dioporco]

I think it's important to remember that even if SL has more content, it's also just less general quality.

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Sure SL has a lot of extra stuff like the xmogs etc the mounts no shoot but then fails in some general quality stuff or stuff like


For this xmog you need 12376128374681723 anima, ok easy to farm, and 300 offering, ah nvm.


Which is pretty lame?

[therumblings]

Well, good news, these arguments combined with 9.2.5 datamining are rapidly pushing the page count. Hoping to hit 2000 asap

[Bearerofbadnews]

Maybe we will be getting a kind of "care package" for all races in 2.5? Dark Iron are getting a questline(?) and mount and heritage weapons, Blood Elves are getting a questline and mount and Blood Knight armor (that you don't need PVP for), Forsaken are likely getting a questline and would definitely get a mount.

Either that or it's exclusively Eastern Kingdom races, which means we would be getting Humans, Bronzebeard Dwarves and Gnomes next.

[therumblings]

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Sure SL has a lot of extra stuff like the xmogs etc the mounts no shoot but then fails in some general quality stuff or stuff like


For this xmog you need 12376128374681723 anima, ok easy to farm, and 300 offering, ah nvm.


Which is pretty lame?

Shadowlands was pretty bad with anima, I'm just thankful it wasn't tied to player power like AP.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Well, good news, these arguments combined with 9.2.5 datamining are rapidly pushing the page count. Hoping to hit 2000 asap

It's more than feasible at the current pace!

[Dioporco]

The hatred towards Shadowlands despite its very quality gameplay is pretty telling towards who runs the game now (people who don't really do anything but quest).

"I don't like the story and setting so its a bad expansion"

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"quality gameplay"


after conduits energy, unswappable covenants, rng dominion socket and shards




ok

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Could it be??

[Chickat]

Having even one (1) endgame zone for the end patch and having the raid consist of more than reused assets. It's a very lofty standard.



I'd argue both Wrath and TBC had more. SL is on the distinct lower tier in terms of pure content amount.

@Le Conceptuel

That's an argument that can be made regarding SL in comparison to say Legion or Mists (save Mists dungeons which were dross on a crusty roll) but not as regards Cataclysm. Cataclysm's end raid is hot garbage and its non-FL raids are mediocre.

Wrath and TBS were raid or die. You had a very small amount of daily quests and aside from professions, that was it. It was fantastic for the time, but any expansion before MoP or Legion doesnt compare to the level of content of any modern WoW expansion. Even WoD and Cata had more outdoor world content than Wrath and previous.

[therumblings]

Could it be??

Sylvanas has become a pancake?

[Fahrad Wagner]

Could it be??

*unbreathing intensifies*

[Ferlion12]

Let's touch on just what we see so far.

A mini season of mastery with timewalking themed dungeons from past expansions? Check.
A potential invasion involving past villains? Check.
Return to the Burning Crusade Orphan? Check.
Reliving Quel'thas being invaded by the scourge? Check.

For the first build, which are generally pretty scant, we check a lot off that list, and the major system, the 9.2.5 season 4 season of mastery thing is the big one for me.

A hell of a guess.

[Bearerofbadnews]

Could it be??

Isn't that just her current model?

[Dioporco]

Challenge Mode started in MoP.

and mega dungeons in Legion so?

[AngerFork]

The hatred towards Shadowlands despite its very quality gameplay is pretty telling towards who runs the game now (people who don't really do anything but quest).

"I don't like the story and setting so its a bad expansion"

Gotta disagree there. If you swapped out the four covenant races for four Azeroth races (let's say Sethrak, Ankoan, Hozen, Taunka) and had the expansion take place on Tel'Abim while still keeping the same long wait for new content, the same endgame style from Korthia/ZM, the same Domination Shard loot style & the like...I'm pretty sure it would still be hated. While the setting is part of the issue, I'd argue it's at least as much gameplay & systems as setting.

[Dioporco]

Good thing that nobody said that then.

read carefully then