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    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    Their interaction was kinda strange. First of all the "just friendship" part in response the the apology Jaina gives. As opposed to what? What does Jaina have to apologize for? Was there a secret interaction between them at the end of Legion we did miss?
    Then Khadgar rummaging about death and responsibility... Sure, he did fail to close the Dark Portal for good a few times, but that can't really be it. What did he do in the meantine other than sitting on the roof of Karazhan and "watching the veil"?

    Is it only my headcanon that Jaina and Khadgar had a disagreement about him joining the war (giving up Kirin Tor neutrality) and he regretting not doing so to prevent basically all of BfA?
    The last time Jaina and Khadgar spoke, she was furiously against the Horde being allowed into Dalaran after the Broken Shore and resigned from the Council of Six after being outvoted on the matter, a vote put forth by Khadgar. Also, she said something about the Council not being able to see the Horde as a threat until entire cities are in flames, or something equally prophetic to that extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    Our favorite mage makes a return in 9.2.5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWNuYRyRzgw

    Jaina new guardian in 10.0?
    I hope Khadgar doesn't die...

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    Probably not a coincidence that the music played during the Jaina Khadgar interaction is Eversong woods (at least according to Noone182's video. It doesn't seem to be edited by the content creator).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladier View Post
    The last time Jaina and Khadgar spoke, she was furiously against the Horde being allowed into Dalaran after the Broken Shore and resigned from the Council of Six after being outvoted on the matter, a vote put forth by Khadgar. Also, she said something about the Council not being able to see the Horde as a threat until entire cities are in flames, or something equally prophetic to that extent.
    I dont really think that was prophetic or hinting for BfA. It was something completely in character for Jaina to say and how she reacted especially after Theramor, and MoP Dalaran
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I hope Khadgar doesn't die...
    If Dadgar does bite the dust, I hope that it's the cap on a very long and fulfilling last adventure. Have him shine one last time before dying peacefully of old age. Something that most Warcraft characters never seem to get.

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    Even more Heritage Armor and Mounts for a race that already has it? https://www.wowhead.com/news/dark-ir...me-woof-326454

    Seems a bit strange but I hope they finish up the remaining races and then bring the weapons and updated racial mount for all races.

    Tbh that is one of my hopes that the next expansion would be Race based (since Legion when we had a class based expansion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheStarcaller View Post
    If Dadgar does bite the dust, I hope that it's the cap on a very long and fulfilling last adventure. Have him shine one last time before dying peacefully of old age. Something that most Warcraft characters never seem to get.
    Death of Old Age would hit the players weird in WoW
    Doesn't the power of the Guardian somehow extend their age? He already is younger than in TBC
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheStarcaller View Post
    If Dadgar does bite the dust, I hope that it's the cap on a very long and fulfilling last adventure. Have him shine one last time before dying peacefully of old age. Something that most Warcraft characters never seem to get.
    Or he could sacrifice himself to save us/someone/a city etc. Hes only 50ish though. Unless the aging spell also affected his longevity and not just his appearance. But one of the recent WoW books said he looked younger, so idk. Maybe hes benjamin buttoning? Deaging, and when he reaches a baby he will die?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Or he could sacrifice himself to save us/someone/a city etc. Hes only 50ish though. Unless the aging spell also affected his longevity and not just his appearance. But one of the recent WoW books said he looked younger, so idk. Maybe hes benjamin buttoning? Deaging, and when he reaches a baby he will die?
    I don't think there was ever an official explanation about his appearance. I think he just... inexplicably looks 50 years younger after shaving the beard.

    If I had to guess, his aging curse was the real deal, and he actually is an old man despite being around 50.

    Deaging, and when he reaches a baby he will die?
    Alternative: baby wizard ftw

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    Death of Old Age would hit the players weird in WoW
    Doesn't the power of the Guardian somehow extend their age? He already is younger than in TBC
    He has Atiesh, but not the power of the Guardian, right? It's been a solid year or so since I've last played so I'm not entirely caught up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladier View Post
    The last time Jaina and Khadgar spoke, she was furiously against the Horde being allowed into Dalaran after the Broken Shore and resigned from the Council of Six after being outvoted on the matter, a vote put forth by Khadgar. Also, she said something about the Council not being able to see the Horde as a threat until entire cities are in flames, or something equally prophetic to that extent.
    So why is she the one apologizing? She was right all along. AND the Kirin Tor did nothing in BfA, not even sanctioning Horde members. It's not Khadgars turn to claim "I feel only friendship". He was in the wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheStarcaller View Post
    Alternative: baby wizard ftw.
    Soo, a gnome mage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheStarcaller View Post
    I don't think there was ever an official explanation about his appearance. I think he just... inexplicably looks 50 years younger after shaving the beard.

    If I had to guess, his aging curse was the real deal, and he actually is an old man despite being around 50.
    "He was reliving the battle in Karazhan, and experiencing again that horrible wrenching sensation as Medivh drew from him his magic and his youth. The magic had returned—indeed, in many ways it was far stronger now than before—but his youth was gone, torn from him long before its time. He was an old man now, at least in appearance. He still felt hale and hearty, and had as much endurance and strength and agility as ever, but his face was lined, his eyes deep-set, and his hair and fledgling beard a stark white. Though only nineteen, Khadgar knew he looked three times that and more."

    He probably won't die of old age anytime soon if his functions are still that of the age he should be.

    Also, you are right.

    "Not de-aged. Just freshly-shaved. " - David Kosak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    "He was reliving the battle in Karazhan, and experiencing again that horrible wrenching sensation as Medivh drew from him his magic and his youth. The magic had returned—indeed, in many ways it was far stronger now than before—but his youth was gone, torn from him long before its time. He was an old man now, at least in appearance. He still felt hale and hearty, and had as much endurance and strength and agility as ever, but his face was lined, his eyes deep-set, and his hair and fledgling beard a stark white. Though only nineteen, Khadgar knew he looked three times that and more."

    He probably won't die of old age anytime soon if his functions are still that of the age he should be.

    Also, you are right.

    "Not de-aged. Just freshly-shaved. " - link removed because not 10 posts yet
    Ah, so he just looks old but was still semi-physically and mentally young. I see.

    Then I wonder why Khadgar is talking like his years are up. Maybe something he can't talk about ̶u̶n̶t̶i̶l̶ ̶A̶p̶r̶i̶l̶ because he doesn't want to take attention away from the current threats? Or maybe Blizzard forgot lmao

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    I'm getting the feeling that Khadgar will start roaming the SL for knowledge and find out that the true Jailer is still alive and that we've been tricked.
    He'll go back to Jaina and tell her the news which leads into next expansion.
    There is no other reason for Khadgar to be there otherwise and it makes sense to connect 8.2.5 to the pre-patch of 10.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    So why is she the one apologizing? She was right all along. AND the Kirin Tor did nothing in BfA, not even sanctioning Horde members. It's not Khadgars turn to claim "I feel only friendship". He was in the wrong.
    Nobody here was in the right or the wrong, and both were at the same time. Allowing both factions to unite in the city of the Kirin Tor is what allowed everyone to survive the Burning Legion which. And also there was nothing happening in Dalaran I believe which influenced the faction war. Did Sylvanas even step foot on Dalaran?

    Also who do you think the Kirin Tor are to go slapping sanctions, and how would they (sanctions) even work on Azeroth between the Alliance and the Horde?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velzen View Post
    I'm getting the feeling that Khadgar will start roaming the SL for knowledge and find out that the true Jailer is still alive and that we've been tricked.
    He'll go back to Jaina and tell her the news which leads into next expansion.
    There is no other reason for Khadgar to be there otherwise and it makes sense to connect 8.2.5 to the pre-patch of 10.0
    Or just that it was a loose end that was not tied between him and Jaina, and we haven't seen the old man in almost two full expansions. I don't think it will lead us into the new expansion theme. At most I believe he will find a way to uncorrupt/remove the sword or help Sargeras go back to his old titan self in a future side plot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    Even more Heritage Armor and Mounts for a race that already has it? https://www.wowhead.com/news/dark-ir...me-woof-326454

    Seems a bit strange but I hope they finish up the remaining races and then bring the weapons and updated racial mount for all races.

    Tbh that is one of my hopes that the next expansion would be Race based (since Legion when we had a class based expansion).

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    Death of Old Age would hit the players weird in WoW
    Doesn't the power of the Guardian somehow extend their age? He already is younger than in TBC
    But he's not the guardian right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheStarcaller View Post
    I don't think there was ever an official explanation about his appearance. I think he just... inexplicably looks 50 years younger after shaving the beard.

    If I had to guess, his aging curse was the real deal, and he actually is an old man despite being around 50.



    Alternative: baby wizard ftw



    He has Atiesh, but not the power of the Guardian, right? It's been a solid year or so since I've last played so I'm not entirely caught up.
    He gets younger and younger. His magic increases as he gets younger. Todler Khadgar one shots the void lords sacrificing himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    But he's not the guardian right?

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    He gets younger and younger. His magic increases as he gets younger. Todler Khadgar one shots the void lords sacrificing himself.
    Didn't he become in Harbingers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    I dont really think that was prophetic or hinting for BfA. It was something completely in character for Jaina to say and how she reacted especially after Theramor, and MoP Dalaran
    Well, of course she wasn't. But the word "prophetic" can be applied to something that is coincidentally so.

    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    So why is she the one apologizing? She was right all along. AND the Kirin Tor did nothing in BfA, not even sanctioning Horde members. It's not Khadgars turn to claim "I feel only friendship". He was in the wrong.
    Because Jaina is no prophet and was acting on incomplete information back then. The Horde wasn't at fault for the Broken Shore (aside from Sylvanas being in a very roundabout way guilty of causing Vol'Jin's death by the means of Mueh'zala, which was irrelevant in regards to Jaina's grievances anyway), and at the time Khadgar was in the right.

    Also, I don't think we know what was happening in Dalaran in BfA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    Didn't he become in Harbingers?
    That Harbingers short pretty explicitly comes out AGAINST the idea of a Guardian and Khadgar rejects the power, which turns out to be bogus anyway because the shade of Medivh he was speaking to was actually a Dreadlord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    Didn't he become in Harbingers?
    No, I thought he declined. Wasnt Dreadlord "medivh" trying to trick him into becoming it, but he declined?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    Undead elves are iffy in general. It's hard to fold them into blood elf customisation, their "dark ranger" signature aesthetic is built entirely around the hunter class, and they don't share the Forsaken skeleton. Their focus is too narrow to carry their own AR but they don't slide neatly into the BEs or undead either.
    My issue with the idea of giving UD an elf option is that eventually 90-95% of UD would just be undead elves, completely negating the original purpose of the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The-Shan View Post
    Fabled Scarlet Crusade/Lordaeron expansion incoming? encrypted tirisfal+encrypted Calia model, combined with the scarlet rumblings in Shadowlands...

    I wouldn't bet on it, but we're getting a lot of signs of Lordaeron being relevant in the future.
    Yeah, I don't believe that an entire expansion would completely revolve around a revamp of a couple of zones. Remember that Cataclysm revamped the entire world and still had like 6 new zones and 2 new races with their own starting zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheStarcaller View Post
    That Harbingers short pretty explicitly comes out AGAINST the idea of a Guardian and Khadgar rejects the power, which turns out to be bogus anyway because the shade of Medivh he was speaking to was actually a Dreadlord.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    No, I thought he declined. Wasnt Dreadlord "medivh" trying to trick him into becoming it, but he declined?
    My bad, I was mixing it up with Assault on Karazhan https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Kha...lt_of_Karazhan

    So he is holding the title of the guardian but not also the power since he presumably doesn't need it? But then again he probably gets some limited power from the staff.

    Also the fact that Medivh is still alive...

    Wonder if Khadgar managed to find the knowledge to save Azeroth he was looking for in Medivh's tomes
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