Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

Mechagon was a small place in a patch though, not an entire expansion, while i think was rly fun sandbox experience, they clearly put more effort into nazjatar.

Well no it wasn’t an expansion, but I’m sure if someone said before BFA that Blizzard would have a patch where half it is dedicated to Azshara and Nazjatar, and the other half is dedicated to a secret Gnome city, you would be saying the same thing you’re saying now about a Goblin/Gnome expansion.

Lordaeron is a lot of zones actually, its a huge continent. EPL, WPL, Tirisfal, Hillsbrad, Silverpine, Gilneas, Arathi, Hinterlands, Ghostlands, Eversong Forest, and Quel'danas, combined with the Zul'aman interior.

I'm almost positive we're getting a dragon, and/or lordaeron themed expansion at this point.

Yeah, but again, Catsclysm revamped the entire world, and still got 6 new zones on top of it. I’m simply saying that a revamp of half the Eastern Kingdoms would be rather strange, unrelated to the dragon isles, be insufficient, and also wouldn’t be eluded to in 9.2.5.

[Cherry123]

I wonder who the main villain of the next expansion

[Khaza-R]

Fabled Scarlet Crusade/Lordaeron expansion incoming? encrypted tirisfal+encrypted Calia model, combined with the scarlet rumblings in Shadowlands...

I wouldn't bet on it, but we're getting a lot of signs of Lordaeron being relevant in the future.

I think its probably the Forsaken heritage scenario and laying the ground work for a new capital.

[Syegfryed]

Well no it wasn’t an expansion, but I’m sure if someone said before BFA that Blizzard would have a patch where half it is dedicated to Azshara and Nazjatar, and the other half is dedicated to a secret Gnome city, you would be saying the same thing you’re saying now about a Goblin/Gnome expansion.

Not rly, cause we had a aptch with indiana jones stuff, a patch is something small and they can go more wild.

An entire expansion is different, simple the current devs can't do it.

[Teriz]

Not rly, cause we had a aptch with indiana jones stuff, a patch is something small and they can go more wild.

An entire expansion is different, simple the current devs can't do it.

Oh c’mon Syegfryed, there’s no way you would say that such a patch would be plausible before it was announced in BFA. People believed that Azshara was getting her own expansion, instead she got a patch that was split between her and some Cyber-Gnomes in Mechagon.

You’re doing exactly what I was talking about earlier; “I feel like this, so the devs must feel like this as well.”

[Three Faced Goddess]

I really hope we finally get Dark Ranger customization for Blood Elves. I doubt we're getting them as an allied race or UD customization. Kind of depressing for me, but eh.

On the positive side there's some interesting content coming, but I'm not yet sure I'm coming back. Love the heritage weapons. Not excited about Calia, but I am glad that the Scourge hasn't been forgotten.

[Triceron]

what you mean "mistake" MOP is considered one of the best expansions ever, lol.

Because of its content, not so much its theme. The theme had a very mixed reception.

Pandaren as playable race, didn't got any lore because they are a neutral race.

Calling bullshit on this. Being neutral has nothing to do with it at all.

[Teriz]

Warlords of Draenor was exclusively a reimagining of Outland. Why is it so strange to imagine they doing the same thing with Lordaeron?

Draenor was Outland before it got destroyed. What would be the point of going through a revamped Lordaeron as an expansion focus? I’m not saying they wouldn’t revamp the zone, I’m saying I think it would be weird to have an area under faction control to be a core expansion focus. Typically expansion focuses are areas we don’t control.

[Catastrophy349]

"wait and see"

[Syegfryed]

Oh c’mon Syegfryed, there’s no way you would say that such a patch would be plausible before it was announced in BFA. People believed that Azshara was getting her own expansion, instead she got a patch that was split between her and some Cyber-Gnomes in Mechagon.

You’re doing exactly what I was talking about earlier; “I feel like this, so the devs must feel like this as well.”

Like i said, i could totally see that happening, we got a patch about indana jones and dumb stuff in cata, a patch is easier to do more goofy stuff, an entire expansion out of it is much ahrder for people who are not competent enough

Is not that i don't think is impossible, im saying current devs can't pull out something like that, if it was old devs, i could see happening.

Because of its content, not so much its theme. The theme had a very mixed reception.

yes it was a good expansion, and no mistakes were made.

Calling bullshit on this. Being neutral has nothing to do with it at all.

It does, as we can see, horde and alliance pandarens are completely neglected since MOP, hell, they did not even got lore in the expansion they were introduced, there is a hell of difference form the groups that joined the factions, that caem from the turtle, compared to the pandaren in the mainland, neutral races just don't work with how the game is designed.

[Hitei]

Warlords of Draenor was exclusively a reimagining of Outland. Why is it so strange to imagine they doing the same thing with Lordaeron?

Because one is an alien planet with wildly varying terrain regions, in a timespan where they had a lot of room for entirely new cultures, factions, creatures, totally remake zones, etc.

The other is one of the most firmly established locations in the game, consisting almost entirely of rolling green hilly meadows with sparse forest, with creatures we've seen in a million variations the entire history of the game, with factions we've dealt with countless times, or destroyed numerous times, and whose development largely consists of being a nicer looking version of the exact same thing.

That is:
•Shadowmon Valley goes from a scorched, dark rock region of felfire lava and hopelessness, to totally different glowy grassland of giant birds and shamanstic orcs, flourishing draenei towns, botani, etc.
•EPL goes from being a plagued, hilly region of woods, to a normal grassy hilly region of woods, but in HD. With enemies being regular wolves, instead of plague wolves, regular bears instead of plague bears, scarlet crusaders instead of scarlet crusaders, helping the argent dawn instead of the argent dawn.

Their capability is totally different. An old world revamp revolves around locations being story updates of a known place, not being wildly different

Lordaeron is a super mixed bag right now. The Exploring Eastern Kingdoms book basically laid it out to be a huge mess. Bloodfang Worgen control Silverpine, Hillsbrad has some weird stuff going on there, Alliance sympathies in Silvermoon, and the plaguelands are a huge mess right now because of the scourge running rampant.

Like this. See how your vision of a Lordaeron revamp is the same region but in HD, with the only difference being that the factions that are already there in the current version have shifted their territorial lines and relationships? It's a poor setting for an entire expansion. It's too much of things we've already seen and dealt with twice before.

[Vakir]

Why does Anduin call his father by his first name?

[Three Faced Goddess]

Another update to this quest. Not sure where because it reads exactly the same. Probably part of the encrypted Lordaeron content.

https://ptr.wowhead.com/quest=54943/...-rangers-pupil

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

I am the joykill if i give my thought about what is coming? And not blizzard whose developers create that new disappointment?

No, sorry. I am not the one to blame.

I would argue it's sadder than being a joykill. If you hate WoW or what it's become walk away. No one ultimately cares what you (or me or anyone) thinks. Spending time on hating on something is not healthy. Find something else that brings you joy and leave us rubes to enjoy the speculation. You'll feel better for it.

[BBellew]

Why does Anduin call his father by his first name?

All the WASPs I know legit call their parents by their first names, so maybe Azeroth is the same.

[Vakir]

All the WASPs I know legit call their parents by their first names, so maybe Azeroth is the same.

He's never done it before! Post-trauma character development happening fast. /s

[Kohtra]

I have always believed that if they ever wanted to revamp the old world they would be smart to increase the size of all the old zones dramatically to account for the fact that flying and faster travel times are the norm now. Zones back in vanilla were small because we were expected to run across them. So if this is leading to a northern eastern kingdom revamp it would make sense for them to reimagine the zones as much larger than before.

[Triceron]

yes it was a good expansion, and no mistakes were made.

It was a good expansion, but plenty of mistakes were made. MoP was the first big sign of massive sub drop off, and its content didn't help retaining it. It was also a huge mis-step in not being able to capture the attention of the Chinese audience as much as they anticipated. They were pitting themselves up against other established Chinese MMO's that were starting to flourish, like Silk Road Online, Age of Wushu, Heroes of the Three Kingdoms, etc. Incomparison, MoP was a western cartoon parody of Chinese culture, and the Kung Fu Panda criticisms were fairly apt. Just look at how the Monkey King is an over-the-top exaggerated cartoon Monkey.

I loved what they did with MoP, and as an ethnic Chinese person, I had no problem with the themes they used for Pandaren and Pandaria. But it's pretty damn clear that it's not for everyone, and there was massive criticism surrounding its theme and playable Pandaren that continues on today. Not sure if you remembered, but people were clamoring on WoD 'saving WoW' by returning to its roots. You can probably find videos today on how much people hated MoP when it was still out, even though the content was actually really good. Hell, even the announce trailer for MoP had high amount of dislikes at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyeZ8khSEC0

Just check some of the comments. Plenty of dislikes, and only people realizing it was a good expansion years after it was already finished. Plenty of comments talking about Pandaren being overly criticized.


And even today, there's never been a race that was so hotly debated as Pandaren when they were introduced.

It does, as we can see, horde and alliance pandarens are completely neglected since MOP, hell, they did not even got lore in the expansion they were introduced, there is a hell of difference form the groups that joined the factions, that caem from the turtle, compared to the pandaren in the mainland, neutral races just don't work with how the game is designed.

They did this because of all the controversies surrounding Pandaren in general. It's not even worth it for them to make new Pandaren lore when they could just continue the story without Pandaren mattering at all, as they've done for the past decade. They've been swept under the rug with very little attention brought to them, and remain as one of the black sheep races that rarely ever get a spotlight shone on them.

[Kiivar86]

It's obvious that mount will have reindeer not reins floating in empty space.

I'm aware of that, but a sleigh mount with reindeer is not a reindeer mount. "The boss drops the updated Reindeer mount." Wouldn't he say sleigh instead? That's a big thing to exclude.

I don't see why some are going "EoA may be legit" when it got one and a half things right, both of which are easier things to guess at anyway. Khadgar will return? Oh that's out of left field for sure! And an updated holiday gets a mount? That's Nostradamus right there!

Maybe if we see weird activity around Dire Maul, NPCs matching new class combos, larger updates to the cities. But this? This is nothing indicative.

[Polybius]

I'm aware of that, but a sleigh mount with reindeer is not a reindeer mount. "The boss drops the updated Reindeer mount." Wouldn't he say sleigh instead? That's a big thing to exclude.

I don't see why some are going "EoA may be legit" when it got one and a half things right, both of which are easier things to guess at anyway. Khadgar will return? Oh that's out of left field for sure! And an updated holiday gets a mount? That's Nostradamus right there!

Maybe if we see weird activity around Dire Maul, NPCs matching new class combos, larger updates to the cities. But this? This is nothing indicative.

Still a high probability, hence may be. Most specific details have been confirmed. If the leak is real, most things are subject to change: deleted, shifted, or moved forward.