1. #30861
    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    I mean Sylvanas lead them with no real connection to them aside from also being undead just like Calia.
    Sylvanas still suffered and lacked a will of her own until the Throne was cracked. She still had to contend with being a tool against her own people and lacking her autonomy. The Forsaken died to the Scourge just like she did and pre-Cata were also tools before finding free will.

    Calia was completely safe away from Lordaeron while everything happened. From the time she was killed to her revival was extremely brief and the circumstances of her revival are entirely different and it is presented as far less of a "curse" or "torment."

    They are thematically far removed from one another. The idea of it is patronizing. Like a trust fund baby teaching the poor unwashed masses how to live.

  2. #30862
    Quote Originally Posted by Factcheckerr View Post
    They added in the weapons and mount because no work was required, the items only exist. WoW races are not a meritocracy that get more shit based on how many people play them: Humans and Belfs have got fuck all for a long time.

    The Velf weapons also exist so they will be added in.
    Nope, that is exactly how it works, and that's why Humans and Blood elves get lore developments every expansion. That is also how other (more) popular games work, see for example how in LoL only the most popular champions get the legendary and ultimate skins.

    That the Void elves haven't got anything new in so long is simply because Blizzard hates them...

  3. #30863
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Nope, that is exactly how it works, and that's why Humans and Blood elves get lore developments every expansion. That is also how other (more) popular games work, see for example how in LoL only the most popular champions get the legendary and ultimate skins.

    That the Void elves haven't got anything new in so long is simply because Blizzard hates them...
    LoL's model is a terrible example to raise considering their new champions diversity has gone to shit in the past few years and its plagued with same-face

  4. #30864
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Nope, that is exactly how it works, and that's why Humans and Blood elves get lore developments every expansion. That is also how other (more) popular games work, see for example how in LoL only the most popular champions get the legendary and ultimate skins.

    That the Void elves haven't got anything new in so long is simply because Blizzard hates them...
    It's because the player base hates them too, actually.

    Everyone hates them. They are a boring variety of elves that adds nothing interesting. They are a retread of Blood Elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factcheckerr View Post
    Scarlets + MU Army of Light + AU Lightbound. Danuser was on record saying Yrel would play a part in the future, and then you have the potential of exploring "Lightlands" and whatever creatures come from there to mess with Azeroth.
    Why would the Army of the Light want to attack the Alliance or the Horde? Their sole enemy is the cosmic void. Also, why would those forces even work together in the first place? The Scarlet Brotherhood would view Yrel as an alien threat just like anyone else would. Further, the Lightbound are not genocidal maniacs, they offer non-members the opportunity to convert. The Scarlets just slaughter the scourge and forsaken indiscriminately. Yrel's forces would not support that.

  6. #30866
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Nope, that is exactly how it works, and that's why Humans and Blood elves get lore developments every expansion. That is also how other (more) popular games work, see for example how in LoL only the most popular champions get the legendary and ultimate skins.

    That the Void elves haven't got anything new in so long is simply because Blizzard hates them...
    What single development has the human race seen since Cataclysm?

    Anduin =/= humans. Belves have gotten more than them with Legion/BFA/SL advancing their story but there have been absolutely no developments to the Human story beyond the Wrynns since the heelturn of Benedictus... that humans don't even know about in-game.

  7. #30867
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    That the Void elves haven't got anything new in so long is simply because Blizzard hates them...
    If they "hated" them, they wouldn't exist...

  8. #30868
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    It's because the player base hates them too, actually.

    Everyone hates them. They are a boring variety of elves that adds nothing interesting. They are a retread of Blood Elves.
    This. Their popularity is due to their rig and allowing for the fantasy of playing store-brand High Elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    That the Void elves haven't got anything new in so long is simply because Blizzard hates them...
    So long? They're only been a race for 2 expansions.

    Gnomes haven't even moved back into their capital despite it being retaken back in WotLK.

  10. #30870
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Why would the Army of the Light want to attack the Alliance or the Horde? Their sole enemy is the cosmic void. Also, why would those forces even work together in the first place? The Scarlet Brotherhood would view Yrel as an alien threat just like anyone else would. Further, the Lightbound are not genocidal maniacs, they offer non-members the opportunity to convert. The Scarlets just slaughter the scourge and forsaken indiscriminately. Yrel's forces would not support that.
    Just like every other cosmic force, they want to claim Azeroth to turn her into a Light-Titan to conquer other forces and/or use Azerite to power whatever cosmic MacGuffin they are using to Lightforge all of reality.

    Plus Azeroth's denizens are diverse and chaotic. They don't adhere to Light's One True Truth -worldview.

  11. #30871
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    So long? They're only been a race for 2 expansions.

    Gnomes haven't even moved back into their capital despite it being retaken back in WotLK.
    Honestly, if gnomes get fucked over AGAIN when there's a world revamp, I'll snap.

  12. #30872
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Why would the Army of the Light want to attack the Alliance or the Horde? Their sole enemy is the cosmic void. Also, why would those forces even work together in the first place? The Scarlet Brotherhood would view Yrel as an alien threat just like anyone else would. Further, the Lightbound are not genocidal maniacs, they offer non-members the opportunity to convert. The Scarlets just slaughter the scourge and forsaken indiscriminately. Yrel's forces would not support that.
    New plot developments. Xe'ra corruption. We already know that the Scarlets have reformed in a "different way" with Calia's child being a prominent figure and/or captive, so clearly something is different about them. They will try to wipe out Calia and the Undead again but surely they would have something more to them.

    Army of Light goes with Turalyon, so if Turalyon sides with Xe'ra/Bad Light over Alliance and Horde they go with him. Except for Fareeya(?) who will be "one of the good ones" to show not all of them agree with that idea and so LFD's can still be a playable race.

    Yrel's Lightbound has that converting aspect to them so she could be a somewhat more sympathetic force than Scarlets (easy) and Turalyon (if he goes cuckoo).

    These three forces being different doesn't go against them working together. If anything it just proves that the Light could make for an interesting antagonist as there are three very distinct groups with different ideologies and functions for us to fight, and one of them (Scarlets) even has a distinct aesthetic that separates it from the other two.

  13. #30873
    Quote Originally Posted by Factcheckerr View Post
    What single development has the human race seen since Cataclysm?

    Anduin =/= humans. Belves have gotten more than them with Legion/BFA/SL advancing their story but there have been absolutely no developments to the Human story beyond the Wrynns since the heelturn of Benedictus... that humans don't even know about in-game.
    Kul Tiras as main continent of BfA and Stromgarde as one of the two Warfronts (major expansion feature) never happened?

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    Since the lore team loves marvel so much... Maybe they do a "civil war" xpac before the next big boom xpac ?
    Zorn | Vynd | Pheraz | Sylwina | Mondlicht | Eis | Blut | Emerelle - Plus 20 more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I get that Sylvanas is in full self pity mode, but holy crap Anduin is right there with her. He was a literal prince of the most affluent kingdom in the alliance compare that to miss rape allegory 2002.
    A prince with no parents that became a King at the age of ten. Truly, he lived a life we all would want. /s

  16. #30876
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    So long? They're only been a race for 2 expansions.

    Gnomes haven't even moved back into their capital despite it being retaken back in WotLK.
    That's because nobody really gives a damn about gnomes, they're one of the least played race consecutively for over 10 years.

  17. #30877
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrexia View Post
    That's because nobody really gives a damn about gnomes, they're one of the least played race consecutively for over 10 years.
    Yeah, that's why they got half a patch dedicated to them with a megadungeon and zone. More than Belves have received since Mists, where they split that focus with Jaina in a patch about Mogu.

    So... is it based on race popularity? Because Mechagon will just blow that argument up every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Just like every other cosmic force, they want to claim Azeroth to turn her into a Light-Titan to conquer other forces and/or use Azerite to power whatever cosmic MacGuffin they are using to Lightforge all of reality.

    Plus Azeroth's denizens are diverse and chaotic. They don't adhere to Light's One True Truth -worldview.
    I have no problem with the concept of Yrel being an antagonist, but lumping the Scarlets and the Army of the Light with them makes zero sense. Also tying that to Lordaeron also makes zero sense. Yrel would want to convert the entire planet, not just Lordaeron. The Army of Light would not view the Forsaken as an enemy force, especially under the leadership of a lightbound. I would also argue that an invasion concept really doesn't work well in a game with a persistent world like WoW. Invasions tend to work better as patches, scenarios, or raids. Like what happened with the Iron Horde.

    So again I have to ask, what's the point of this expansion concept?

  19. #30879
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Kul Tiras as main continent of BfA and Stromgarde as one of the two Warfronts (major expansion feature) never happened?
    Stromgarde warfront has no lore and Kul Tiras is not Stormwind. If Gilneas got retaken nobody would consider it Human lore, its Worgen lore despite Gilneas having humans left.

    Because the human race is split up distinctly with its cultures. Playable humans = Stormwind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Okay, let's go with this for a moment; The new expansion location is Lordaeron, possibly the entirety of the Northern half of the Eastern Kingdoms;

    What is the goal/point of this expansion? Are we moving the Forsaken out of Trisfall Glades? Are we restoring Lordaeron to becoming a Human kingdom again? Are we fighting the Scourge? What are we doing exactly? Blizzard said we're done with faction conflicts, so us removing the Forsaken seems unlikely. Are we seriously going to push the Scarlet Crusade as an antagonistic force that can fight off the Horde AND the Alliance?

    Also, modern WoW expansions don't stay in one location. Where else are we going? We can't mope around Lordareon for an entire expansion.

    Finally, and most importantly, if I'm an Orc/Troll/Tauren/Goblin Horde player, or an NE/Draenei/Gnome/Dwarf/Worgen Alliance player, why would/should this interest me?
    It's not really up to me to answer those questions as I don't make the game. I'm just saying the Cata failures in question aren't the same failures they would make again now that they do scaling and max level content in lower level zones and all that. They know better than to devote a ton of resources to a world that is only for the lower level alt and new player focused experience. Whether it interests you personally or not is kind of irrelevant. What of all the people who wanted nothing to do with tearing back the veil and taking the mystery out of the afterlife? Not every expac is for every person's specific tastes. I know you're mainly a gnome and goblin and tech interested player overall so I would say other than the titan related pieces of various expansions, have you ever felt they were making an effort to hook you? Or has it always just been that you found something to enjoy in most things just by chance?
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