Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I was more asking if, after the Suramar cloak and KT questing set, they continued that pattern with some armor item in 8.3 that has a very firm connection to Shadowlands. Because then presumably there'd also be one in either 9.2 or 9.2.5

I'd say the Lordaeron shield was plenty enough, and that's one of many reasons I'm hedging my bets in that corner—not to say that I'm certain, of course. There's no way of telling for sure, and I won't be making an ass of myself by refusing to err on the side of caution, but my intuition definitely leans with a world revamp or at least a Lordaeron expansion.

[Shadochi]

I'd say the Lordaeron shield was plenty enough, and that's one of many reasons I'm hedging my bets in that corner—not to say that I'm certain, of course. There's no way of telling for sure, and I won't be making an ass of myself by refusing to err on the side of caution, but my intuition definitely leans with a world revamp or at least a Lordaeron expansion.

Also the Lordaeron shield seemed like an asset that they already had seeing how quickly it was released after 9.2 launch, and that it was blocked from dropping (old model) and added back with new model a few days later in hotfixes.

This to me implies that it wasn't planned to be the model and they just couldn't finish it in time. It also look to me like they didn't just go through concept to a finished model in a few days. If any of the items added so far is a pointer like those previously mentioned, I would believe it to be this one (unless it was an asset already ingame and they just recolored)

[Catastrophy349]

How would people feel about ONLY a Lordaeron revamp expansion, similar to the Light's Judgement "leak"? I'm not saying that "leak" is true, I'm asking how would you feel to have an expansion similar to what that "leak" is referring to?

[Shadochi]

How would people feel about ONLY a Lordaeron revamp expansion, similar to the Light's Judgement "leak"? I'm not saying that "leak" is true, I'm asking how would you feel to have an expansion similar to what that "leak" is referring to?

So leak confirmed to be true /s

Honestly I wouldn't be against it, but moreso to revamp all of the northern part of EK (and bring the Belf zones on the same map). And then maybe in future patches do more updates?

[Hitei]

I'd say the Lordaeron shield was plenty enough, and that's one of many reasons I'm hedging my bets in that corner—not to say that I'm certain, of course. There's no way of telling for sure, and I won't be making an ass of myself by refusing to err on the side of caution, but my intuition definitely leans with a world revamp or at least a Lordaeron expansion.

The original versions of those shields were in Shadowlands beta though, as part of the new set of shields they made for Exile's reach

[Kiivar86]

which ones were added?

Nightborne, you can buy them through timewalking.

Though they ended up not putting in the two handed sword (the one that looks like a glaive). But 1h sword, 1h mace, staff, two shields. There is a bow as well though its more Draenei, both by its name and how I only recall seeing it used by Draenei on Argus. Link to the MMO-Champion post with images.

So saying they're going to do more isn't that surprising. Its like predicting they are going to do more heritage armor sets. Its an easy guess amongst a sea of far fetched ideas, meant to try and make the rest of their "leak" seem more legit.

[Ersula]

Can we put the "The Primus was originally the villain" theory to bed? It's really just "The Primus created Domination magic" Yeah he did: The game tells you that right at the beginning of Shadowlands. It was conceit of the Legendary Equipment system. The Jailer's power is in extracting memories, because that was his job as Arbiter. These would have been the first ideas formed for this expansion. There's no story if it was just "Once there was this guy & he had domination magic."

The "Primus was originally the villain" theory doesn't account for the question, "If he had this power all along why didn't he start his plan eons earlier?"

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The original versions of those shields were in Shadowlands beta though, as part of the new set of shields they made for Exile's reach

One of them is a new model, if I recall correctly. The dark shield looks different from any of the beta models in terms of mesh and texture.

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Also the Lordaeron shield seemed like an asset that they already had seeing how quickly it was released after 9.2 launch, and that it was blocked from dropping (old model) and added back with new model a few days later in hotfixes.

This to me implies that it wasn't planned to be the model and they just couldn't finish it in time. It also look to me like they didn't just go through concept to a finished model in a few days. If any of the items added so far is a pointer like those previously mentioned, I would believe it to be this one (unless it was an asset already ingame and they just recolored)

Agreed. That's precisely why I thought that—originally I was thinking it just seemed pretty obviously like a reuse of an asset from Exile's Reach development and that the shield itself was simply added to reference the history of Mal'Ganis, but then the revelation that the model has differences made me more interested in the Lordaeron idea.

[Teriz]

How would people feel about ONLY a Lordaeron revamp expansion, similar to the Light's Judgement "leak"? I'm not saying that "leak" is true, I'm asking how would you feel to have an expansion similar to what that "leak" is referring to?

It would seem incredibly lazy, and very Alliance centric. A revamped Lordaeron by itself is not enough.

Also it would be yet another expansion where the hot Forsaken female leader is a focus.

[Hitei]

One of them is a new model, if I recall correctly. The dark shield looks different from any of the beta models in terms of mesh and texture.

They are, that's why I said the original versions, rather than just "those shields". But my point is that the exact same thing (a Lordaeron shield) was included pre-Shadowlands, so I'm wary to take it as being an indication of a coming expansion in line with the KT armor or Spellcloak.

[Mishtacody]

Perhaps it's been said somewhere before, but with Salandria growing up and being a part of the 9.2.5 Ghostlands content, does anyone think it's a bit suspect to suddenly include her with her future ties to dragons potentially?

With her plans to own a dragon and the dragons stopping her at the caverns of time, maybe the "things she might do or fail to do" might play a part in the next xpack?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Perhaps it's been said somewhere before, but with Salandria growing up and being a part of the 9.2.5 Ghostlands content, does anyone think it's a bit suspect to suddenly include her with her future ties to dragons potentially?

With her plans to own a dragon and the dragons stopping her at the caverns of time, maybe the "things she might do or fail to do" might play a part in the next xpack?

That is definitely a possibility. It may just be a fun call-back, but I could see her returning as a sort of Quel'Thalassian Taelia for WoW's next expansion.

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They are, that's why I said the original versions, rather than just "those shields". But my point is that the exact same thing (a Lordaeron shield) was included pre-Shadowlands, so I'm wary to take it as being an indication of a coming expansion in line with the KT armor or Spellcloak.

I honestly don't see why that is relevant, though. There's no real connection between the Lordaeron shields in Exile's Reach and the Lordaeron shield model here—why else would they create the new model if not for Lordaeron? I'm not ruling it out entirely, but it seems like Occam's Razor suggests that the reason they have a Lordaeron asset is for use in Lordaeron. The Exile's Reach thing is easy to explain—it's likely that was just meant to be loot on Exile's Reach because it could serve as a suitable evergreen image of a generic shield. It could've also been planned for something to do with Sylvanas. However, there now doesn't seem to be much reason to create a Lordaeroni shield model—perhaps I could see it being used in relation with a new Forsaken questline instead of a whole focus on Lordaeron, which does admittedly fit with the new direction of the Forsaken under Calia, but I still think that it offers up a lot of possibility for activity in Lordaeron, especially with all this talk from Turalyon about reclaiming old territory and all the dangling plotlines about the Forsaken, the Worgen, the newly-introduced Blood Elf quests etc.

[Three Faced Goddess]

Don't see how people find stuff like this boring, but to each their own.

Different strokes for different folks. As much as I find the gnome/goblin aesthetic ugly, I would like an underground city, region or both. Also, I'm sorry for my outburst the last time I quoted you. I don't agree with what you said, but I am sorry for being rude to you.

[White Mage]

[Catastrophy349]

Fake AF

Someone used this logo for 9.0 leaks years ago.

[White Mage]

Fake AF

Someone used this logo for 9.0 leaks years ago.

But it looks so good.

[Raetary]

Oh boy, people are getting so desperate they are posting ages old leaks for attention.

[Harbour]

Weird stuff about Khadgar/Jaina dialogue:
1) Raven was here in Oribos since 9.1. Why does Khadgar sound like he just came here? Why did he decide to talk to Jaina now instead of helping since 9.1?
2) He sounds like he is going to die in 10.0 and pass everything to Jaina.
3) He ISNT THAT old! He is definitely going to be killed by Danuser to give more room to Jaina.
Sad.

[draugril]

It is, but it's part old expansions that are considered good, so they get a pass.

Borrowed power is just another buzzword that gets thrown around without much thought out into what exactly it means.
What players are more specifically angry about from Legion onward is external power gains unique to a specific expansion, usually with a progression system separate from the strictly gear based progression that is the standard for most RPGs.

Correct. So it’s easier to say “borrowed power” than explain the whole concept every time the topic comes up. You clearly understand what people mean when they use the term as you explained it beautifully. Why be “that guy” that adjusts their glasses before disingenuously stating that you could technically generalize the term to include gear, talents, or even classes themselves? Let people use the shorthand.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

With her plans to own a dragon and the dragons stopping her at the caverns of time, maybe the "things she might do or fail to do" might play a part in the next xpack?

Turns out this whole time that this sidequest character is going to be the one responsible for the Infinite Dragonflight after she tries to control Murozond. /s OR IS IT!?!?!

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Correct. So it’s easier to say “borrowed power” than explain the whole concept every time the topic comes up. You clearly understand what people mean when they use the term as you explained it beautifully. Why be “that guy” that adjusts their glasses before disingenuously stating that you could technically generalize the term to include gear, talents, or even classes themselves? Let people use the shorthand.

To be fair, I don't like buzzwords precisely because they allow people to misinterpret them, either by accident, ignorance, or even outright malicious intent. It's usually best to stray clear of them—they also ruin critical thinking. I know this will seem mind-numbingly overdramatic and slippery slope-esque, but Newspeak in 1984 is a good example of the danger they pose because of how they dull your capacity for reason and argument.