Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

Oh boy, people are getting so desperate they are posting ages old leaks for attention.

[Harbour]

Weird stuff about Khadgar/Jaina dialogue:
1) Raven was here in Oribos since 9.1. Why does Khadgar sound like he just came here? Why did he decide to talk to Jaina now instead of helping since 9.1?
2) He sounds like he is going to die in 10.0 and pass everything to Jaina.
3) He ISNT THAT old! He is definitely going to be killed by Danuser to give more room to Jaina.
Sad.

[draugril]

It is, but it's part old expansions that are considered good, so they get a pass.

Borrowed power is just another buzzword that gets thrown around without much thought out into what exactly it means.
What players are more specifically angry about from Legion onward is external power gains unique to a specific expansion, usually with a progression system separate from the strictly gear based progression that is the standard for most RPGs.

Correct. So it’s easier to say “borrowed power” than explain the whole concept every time the topic comes up. You clearly understand what people mean when they use the term as you explained it beautifully. Why be “that guy” that adjusts their glasses before disingenuously stating that you could technically generalize the term to include gear, talents, or even classes themselves? Let people use the shorthand.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

With her plans to own a dragon and the dragons stopping her at the caverns of time, maybe the "things she might do or fail to do" might play a part in the next xpack?

Turns out this whole time that this sidequest character is going to be the one responsible for the Infinite Dragonflight after she tries to control Murozond. /s OR IS IT!?!?!

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Correct. So it’s easier to say “borrowed power” than explain the whole concept every time the topic comes up. You clearly understand what people mean when they use the term as you explained it beautifully. Why be “that guy” that adjusts their glasses before disingenuously stating that you could technically generalize the term to include gear, talents, or even classes themselves? Let people use the shorthand.

To be fair, I don't like buzzwords precisely because they allow people to misinterpret them, either by accident, ignorance, or even outright malicious intent. It's usually best to stray clear of them—they also ruin critical thinking. I know this will seem mind-numbingly overdramatic and slippery slope-esque, but Newspeak in 1984 is a good example of the danger they pose because of how they dull your capacity for reason and argument.

[Foolicious]

Weird stuff about Khadgar/Jaina dialogue:
1) Raven was here in Oribos since 9.1. Why does Khadgar sound like he just came here? Why did he decide to talk to Jaina now instead of helping since 9.1?
2) He sounds like he is going to die in 10.0 and pass everything to Jaina.
3) He ISNT THAT old! He is definitely going to be killed by Danuser to give more room to Jaina.
Sad.

Khadgar has been altered by a spell so his body is a lot older. He was turned into an old man at around 20 and should now be around 50 so its reasonable to think that his body starts to give up.
His current daddy khadgar model makes him look really young when his previous model was more accurate.

[Chickat]

Yeah, a Necromancer would have been fantastic, as much as I personally dislike the concept in WoW (they're generally mooks that are superceded by Liches, Warlocks and Death Knights). It would have been something. For the past decade or so, I've been judging expansions not on the content they bring to their own lifespan, but by the content they introduce that will still be relevant when the next X.0 patch hits. I didn't see anything in Shadowlands that had potential to carry over when its time was over.

Torghast and leggo crafting both have potential. Not as the systems currently are, but the ideas are sound. I hope both features show up in the future in improved states. Also if another Torghast like system does get implemented, I hope it doesnt have player power rewards. Torghast with something like anima for cosmetics, plus cosmetic drops like from Islands would be fantastic.

[Teriz]

Different strokes for different folks. As much as I find the gnome/goblin aesthetic ugly, I would like an underground city, region or both.

I have no issue with people having differing opinions. However, some posters have an irrational reaction to potential future Goblin or Gnome content.

Also, I'm sorry for my outburst the last time I quoted you. I don't agree with what you said, but I am sorry for being rude to you.

Thank you for that, and apology accepted.

[Chickat]

That actually makes sense. We did see Gallywix negotiating with the Brokers in 9.1, so that is a plausible scenario.

I do think overall that Undermine is used is some capacity to locate the Dragon Isles. My guess would be that the isles are in some sort of time bubble and without the help of the Bronze Dragonflight or Kirin Tor, Wrathion goes to Undermine to get assistance from the Tinker's Union (perhaps Hobart Gapplehammer).

Within that premise, I can see Gallywix becoming a major antagonist. I still think Gallywix attacking Stormwind in a huge Godzilla-sized mech is still on the table. I don't see him as the final boss, but I do think he's going to be the final boss of a raid.

I also think we should finally see Gnomeregan retaken by the Gnomes and be a zone that players can actually visit like Ironforge or Stormwind. I would also connect Gnomeregan with Stormwind, Ironforge, Shadowforge, and Mechagon via a tram system. Undermine should connect to Gadgetzhan, Booty Bay, Rachet, a rebuilt Bilgewater Port (obviously), Plunder Isle, Orgrimmar, and maybe even Gnomeregan. And yeah, with Gadgetzhan's proximity to the Caverns of Time and it being a major Goblin land holding, I can see that location be a major part of the expansion as well. However, you're going to have to make it Hearthstone-sized;



And btw, if anything thinks that WoW doesn't incorporate stuff from Hearthstone, Blizzard incorporated Sir Finley Mrgglton and gave Hobart Grapplehammer his HS appearance.

Beyond the Goblin/Gnome stuff, I do agree that Void Dragons will be another antagonistic force, and I believe that they will be looking for the Dragon Isles as well, or have already found them. I don't agree that it would be Sinestra he leads them though, I believe it will either be a descendant of Vexonia, or Xal'natath.

They're going to need something major related to or on the Dragon Isles to have everyone chasing after it like this. You know, the standard Macguffin that gets the plot going. Overall, I do think that such an expansion would be a nice change of pace from Shadowlands.



Now this is the part I don't agree with. I do think the Scarlet Brotherhood will attack the new Undead under Callia, but I also believe that Turalyon will help defend them because Callia is Lightforged. I do agree with you that Anduin will be sidelined as he cares for his mental health after the events in Shadowlands. I also think that Gilneas will be returned to the Worgen, and we'll actually be able to venture there. Places like Southshore, Stratholme, Andorhol, and the Western/Eastern Plaguelands should be fully restored at this point.

#Team Steamscale.

I don't think the city should be that big. Half the zone sure, but you have to leave some desert alone. Honestly, cut half of the expansion you added in half, and add it to the ocean part. They would have a very large naval district, with shops that descend into the water and you can see fish swimming and stuff down there. Whether the class that shall not be named ever happens or not, I hope the Gadgetzan city expansion happens. Its such a cool idea, and I love big cities. Give me Suramar, but dealing with different gangs, etc instead.

[Teriz]

Speaking of future Goblin content, I would like to see these architecture designs be used for WoW Gadgetzhan;






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I don't think the city should be that big. Half the zone sure, but you have to leave some desert alone. Honestly, cut half of the expansion you added in half, and add it to the ocean part. They would have a very large naval district, with shops that descend into the water and you can see fish swimming and stuff down there. Whether the class that shall not be named ever happens or not, I hope the Gadgetzan city expansion happens. Its such a cool idea, and I love big cities. Give me Suramar, but dealing with different gangs, etc instead.

I can agree with that. I think the cool thing is that Blizzard really has free reign to make it any size they want.

And hell yeah, a version of Suramar using that idea would be incredible.

Also here's an article where someone took the concept of HS Gadgetzhan and applied it to WoW. See what you think;

http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog...an-existed-wow

[Chickat]

Less than a month to go.

We've been mocked left and right, even have people putting some of my previous posts in there sigs sarcastically.

But come the 19th we'll see who honks the loudest. We tried to tell ya.

Can't wait to see how fast those sigs are removed.

I just hope there is a new class tbh. I don't care what it is. Tinker is cool, not my favorite, but I would gladly play one.

[Zankai27]

I just hope there is a new class tbh. I don't care what it is. Tinker is cool, not my favorite, but I would gladly play one.

Agree; classes and races give expansions an identity that carries forward even after the expansion is over; and in the case of classes, give us something actually new to play without relying on tired iteration upon existing concepts.

I'd go nuts for a Dragonsworn myself, but the Tinker crowd has fought long and hard and I'd welcome that as well. Or anything, really, there's plenty of interesting concepts left. Or they could get creative and make something unexpected.

[Three Faced Goddess]

I have no issue with people having differing opinions. However, some posters have an irrational reaction to potential future Goblin or Gnome content.



Thank you for that, and apology accepted.

Thank you.

As much as goblins and gnomes aren't my thing, I'm not opposed to goblins and gnomes getting content. All playable races deserve attention and perhaps both gnomes/goblins would be more popular if they were further developed and received content that was more varied instead of being pigeonholed to being comic relief and stereotyped.

[Teriz]

Agree; classes and races give expansions an identity that carries forward even after the expansion is over; and in the case of classes, give us something actually new to play without relying on tired iteration upon existing concepts.

I'd go nuts for a Dragonsworn myself, but the Tinker crowd has fought long and hard and I'd welcome that as well. Or anything, really, there's plenty of interesting concepts left. Or they could get creative and make something unexpected.

Not to stir the pot, but we should seriously have an honest conversation about how Blizzard implements new classes. The fact that Blizzard has stayed strictly within WC3 boundaries for class implementation is something that should be noted. In addition, the lack of a Necromancer or Dark Ranger class in Shadowlands should also be taken into consideration. Those two class options were layups, with Sylvanas being focused on heavily (and the Forsaken getting focused on in 9.2.5) and they didn't happen. Frankly I don't believe that we have many class options. I firmly believe that Blizzard has 1 or 2 classes left, and that's it. If there's no class released in 10.0 (which is highly possible), that is 3 new classes in 20 years of the game's existence. That is a VERY low number considering other MMOs.

[Varx]

I can't believe I didn't find out about Gallywix in tazavesh until now, how hasn't it been talked about more, especially with lore YouTubers like bell and T&E who love to speculate.


This dude is so totally up to some shady shit. Imagine this motherfucker with Broker/First One's Tech.

I dunno if anyone remembers the Zanda and KT human sailors locked in battle in Azuna during Legion. One could argue it was an obvious hint to BFA.

Perhaps this is similar to an upcoming story involving this crazy sob in Undermine.

BTW, love the sig Teriz. Yoink.

[Revamp Man]

Nightborne, you can buy them through timewalking.

Though they ended up not putting in the two handed sword (the one that looks like a glaive). But 1h sword, 1h mace, staff, two shields. There is a bow as well though its more Draenei, both by its name and how I only recall seeing it used by Draenei on Argus. Link to the MMO-Champion post with images.

So saying they're going to do more isn't that surprising. Its like predicting they are going to do more heritage armor sets. Its an easy guess amongst a sea of far fetched ideas, meant to try and make the rest of their "leak" seem more legit.

Wait are they heritage weapons or just stuff you can buy via legion TW? There’s a bit of a difference

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Not to stir the pot, but we should seriously have an honest conversation about how Blizzard implements new classes. The fact that Blizzard has stayed strictly within WC3 boundaries for class implementation is something that should be noted. In addition, the lack of a Necromancer or Dark Ranger class in Shadowlands should also be taken into consideration. Those two class options were layups, with Sylvanas being focused on heavily (and the Forsaken getting focused on in 9.2.5) and they didn't happen. Frankly I don't believe that we have many class options. I firmly believe that Blizzard has 1 or 2 classes left, and that's it. If there's no class released in 10.0 (which is highly possible), that is 3 new classes in 20 years of the game's existence. That is a VERY low number considering other MMOs.

One or two? I figured Tinker, but what do you think is the other one? Warden?

[Chickat]

Things are really beginning to heat up in the worlds of Warcraft! Yesterday, Patch 2.5.4 “The Gods of Zul’Aman” released for The Burning Crusade Classic realms. We also saw the first build for World of Warcraft’s 9.2.5 patch on the Public Test Realm! Additionally, we are anxiously waiting for the World First kill of the Jailer in World of Warcraft: Shadowlands Patch 9.2 “Eternity’s End”. Next week we should finally learn the fate of a certain banshee in the Final Chapter of the 9.2 Campaign titled “Epilogue: Judgement”. Lastly, the release of “Sylvanas” by New York Times’ Bestselling Author, Christie Golden, will finally come on Tuesday, March 29, 2022. What an exciting time for The Warcraft Franchise!

Are you sure you dont work at blizzard?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Are you sure you dont work at blizzard?

I think he's just playing along and slightly screwing with us.

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I purposely made that post to show everyone that I don’t work for Blizzard and I was totally being a smart***.

Here's the quote. He's just screwing around.

[Teriz]

One or two? I figured Tinker, but what do you think is the other one? Warden?

Beats me. After the Tinker and Alchemist are absorbed, there's really no WC3 heroes left. You could drop any open WC3 abilities and concepts into the existing class lineup at that point. I'd just like to believe that they would continue to put out new classes even after the "Tinker". However, there is a high chance that they could stop there and begin to expand the existing classes (glyphs, new specs, class skins, etc.).

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BTW, love the sig Teriz. Yoink.

Thanks! Welcome to the team!

[Kiivar86]

Wait are they heritage weapons or just stuff you can buy via legion TW? There’s a bit of a difference

They're simply purchaseable but they're the Nightborne themed items people expected as heritage weapons for ages (sans the 2h sword, I suppose).