Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

Oh please you're saying that only because you want Undermine as the next expansion.

Well, I'm also saying that because there are no lands between Kalimdor and the Malestrom, while there are three on the opposite side.

[draugril]

Also the fact that Dragons don't instantly become juveniles. The ones we see in Legion for instance could easily predate the ending of Cataclysm, that event only happened like 2-3 years before we see them in-game.

We used to make jokes about how "prolific" Deathwing was with the multiple "secret" clutches being discovered all over the place, transforming into multiple other dragonflights. I just find that funny now, since it seems that his loins weren't all that more bountiful than any other Aspect. There's so many "secret" populations and offshoots we've discovered.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

???
Azsunas blue dragon plot revolves entirely around their mortality, loss of power and inability to reproduce.

Wait they had a plotline I thought they were just there to give the Withered something to fight.

[Teriz]

The only continent on that list is the Ogre continent on Draenor.

Darkspear Islands
Dragon Isles
Channel Islands
Balor (an Island)
Ancient Kalimdor

So the only continent on this list is Kalimdor from thousands of years ago?

[Khaza-R]

Was Legion a world revamp because of where the Legion invasions were placed?
Was Battle for Azeroth the northern Kalimdor expansion because we had pre-patch story content in Darkshore?
Was Shadowlands a Northrend expansion and because we fought a few resurrected bosses in Icecrown?

I'm not convinced that this is evidence for determining a setting.

I should of been more specific that I meant the leaks that listed Lordaeron as a new capital. I wasn't saying Lordaeron is the setting of the expansion. Personally I think that's too narrow of a theme.

Again, not saying any of them are true. But it does seem to give them an ounce of credibility in sea where we have no much to go on.

[draugril]

I should of been more specific that I meant the leaks that listed Lordaeron as a new capital. I wasn't saying Lordaeron is the setting of the expansion. Personally I think that's too narrow of a theme.

Again, not saying any of them are true. But it does seem to give them an ounce of credibility in sea where we have no much to go on.

That's fair. For the record, I do think that the pre-patch stuff can certainly inform the setting of the expansion, but it's never been 1:1.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

You and I seem to be the only 2 logical ones that think this way I think it's going to be off from what people are so sure of and they'll be scratching their heads for weeks.

I don't know why people on the internet misuse "logic" so much. Show me the actual logical operation that you've used to reach this conclusion so I can determine if you're actually logical.

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Which by the way will not happen, since 99% of the players see Goblin as a meme race.

Like Void Elves?

[Ersula]

The big announcement is more likely to be about the standard core changes and different gamemodes. The name of the year is usually not revealing or important because its tied to the first set released. Only exception is year of the dragon which featured a dragon set as last expansion. So we can expect the year of the snake to begin because of the new naga minions introduced.
Also its hearthstone. Its quite possible we get zovaals pleasure palace as expansion which is "heavily influenced by wow". you'll never know because as you said there is not a single expansion that is not heavily influenced by warcraft.

Yes, but the fact that they didn't just reveal the "yearly timeline map" with the Sunken city announcement, like they usually do, is what is conspicuous here. Yes, that little blurb isn't telling because it describes all Hearthstone content, but the fact that they said it, like expansion 2 is conspicuously more like WoW than usual, and that they said that's specifically the reason they didn't tease it with the Sunken city preview is conspicuous.

So for those reasons I think expansion 2 will probably be something like, new undead Lordaeron themed, Sylvanas in the maw theme, or something else that reveals a bit of 10.0 concept art.

Blizzard is always doing weird shit, and sometimes, its foreshadowing.

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

This strongly resembles how FF14 is pivoting to "Tribe Quests" rather than "Beast Tribe Quests" whether intentionally similar or not in accordance with the story shifting to sympathetic portrayals of former enemies by way of their manipulation by the then-bigger bad.

And I'd be down with that if it carried into WoW! It would fit with Blizzard's walkback in terms of destigmatizing certain cultural stereotypes or stock tropes but in a way that feels interesting rather than performative. And opens up more dynamics and races rather than ass pulling new ones.

Y'know, if they did it right.

All speculation though obviously

This has been happening in a lot of fantasy media. DnD has also changed its stance on monstrous races in the last couple years, removing negative traits and not making them automatically evil for example.

[Sondrelk]

This has been happening in a lot of fantasy media. DnD has also changed its stance on monstrous races in the last couple years, removing negative traits and not making them automatically evil for example.

Hasnt this kinda been Warcrafts MO since Warcraft 2? Where you learn that the evil and beastly Orcs from Warcraft were actually mostly peaceful shamanistic people before they were tricked into becoming pawns of the Legion?

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

Hasnt this kinda been Warcrafts MO since Warcraft 2? Where you learn that the evil and beastly Orcs from Warcraft were actually mostly peaceful shamanistic people before they were tricked into becoming pawns of the Legion?

Yeah, you're right. Warcraft is one of the bigger franchises that changed it so a lot of monstrous races weren't all chaotic evil. It looks like others are finally catching up and dropping that part with a lot of their more...anger-prone races. I could see WoW expanding on it if what others are speculating and show other races aren't civilizations of murder hobos. Not that we haven't already been seeing that on a smaller scale, like with Furbolgs.

[Cherry123]

EoA leak looks legit

[Vakir]

This has been happening in a lot of fantasy media. DnD has also changed its stance on monstrous races in the last couple years, removing negative traits and not making them automatically evil for example.

Yeah. D& D's success has been more... pronounced than WoW's to say the least, even if WC3 did it early with for example the Orcs and Tauren.

See the Exploring Kalimdor debacle.

[Teriz]

EoA leak looks legit

If it is (I doubt it), at least we'll get a new class.

[ChairmanKaga]

If it is (I doubt it), at least we'll get a new class.

I would be excited for the race in it, if it was real.

[AliceCattx]

Sylvanas book is out in the wild https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/s...7S7qRMXHG2G4Rw

[Nightshade711]

Given that the Titans are alive and well in canon and are just in a “break in case game needs saving” box.
The dragons can get repowered at any time by them.

Or there’d be some weird Titan/first ones tech hidden on the dragon isles that’ll repower them in case of emergency for some reason.

But we do know that the dragons (or at least the bronze dragons) would get repowered at some point because of the infinites.

[ercarp]

Sylvanas book is out in the wild https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/s...7S7qRMXHG2G4Rw

Zzz... Sylvanaszz....

This book should have come out before the expansion, not after it. People barely gave a shit about Sylvanas at the start of Shadowlands, but now everyone has a major case of Sylvanas fatigue.

[Teriz]

Given that the Titans are alive and well in canon and are just in a “break in case game needs saving” box.
The dragons can get repowered at any time by them.

Or there’d be some weird Titan/first ones tech hidden on the dragon isles that’ll repower them in case of emergency for some reason.

But we do know that the dragons (or at least the bronze dragons) would get repowered at some point because of the infinites.

Perhaps the key to finding the dragon isles and restoring the dragonflights rests with the Goblins in Undermine?

[PhillyCheese]

Zzz... Sylvanaszz....

This book should have come out before the expansion, not after it. People barely gave a shit about Sylvanas at the start of Shadowlands, but now everyone has a major case of Sylvanas fatigue.

Which is why she's now out of the story... are we really still complaining about Sylvanas fatigue when this is the last week she'll be relevant maybe until WoW ends?

The fact that she got so much development here AND a book that adds more detail on her ending is even more pointing to her not coming back. Illidan has more of a chance.