Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Zankai27]

I think that the Mag'har are my favorite incarnation of industrial technology in WoW—I'd also like to try a Lightforged Artificer, but I do think that Artificers and Tinkers have too distinct of an identity from one another that would sort of make them diminish one another's uniqueness, and only one can be a class—it would almost certainly be the latter, since it's more iconic. I could see them sharing a class if it were mech-based, though, since the Lightforged do have mechas that could certainly share mechanics with upgraded Shredders or Crowd Pummelers. Vigilants are also possible, but smaller robots I don't see being compatible, nor do the Lightforged use turrets (though they do use artillery) or rockets.

Agree on the Mag'har; Iron Horde tech was one of the coolest aspects of WoD. I do think the Lightforged and Draenei shouldn't be excluded if we do get a Tinker class even if the Tinker tech is less Artificer and more Guns and Gadgets though. I'm also working on a class that would be more of a cosmic Artificer type thing, but would be really distinct and more magical than Tinkers in any iteration.

I could easily see Lightforged NPCs for example, making their own version of Tinker tech because they "just think it's neat"; we even already have that Lightforged Engineering trainer who thought the Gnome's tech was neat.

[Three Faced Goddess]

Dunno if anyone shared this before:

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...4Pi2dmoZT_d3V8


- encrypted Tirisfall
- encrypted Calia
- encrypted Undercity
- many undead NPCs missing from Orgrimmar

I came to a similar conclusion before getting on the computer earlier, but didn't dare write it out.

[Revamp Man]

I'm honestly not sure why people are so hostile to the Tinker idea. I'm not going to say I wouldn't prefer something cooler, like a Lich or Dragon, but I do think it's true that they're an iconic part of Warcraft lore and don't deserve the hate they get. This seems more to be a response to Teriz's fascination with them than anything else, and I frankly would be pretty satisfied. I get it may just be different strokes for different folks, but I think there are still plenty that would be happy with Tinkers.

I do admit I'd prefer something more serious, though, like a Mag'har-style Mechanic or Draenic-style Artificer.

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Doubt it. It's already in Pelagos' possession and it is aesthetically very incompatible with Calia's design.

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Haven't seen the textures, so I can't glean anything for certain from it, but it might also include some kind of change to her clothing to better fit her role as Queen of the Forsaken. Could include more Forsaken or Lordaeroni imagery than her plain Priest outfit now, or it could at least include some kind of epaulets or something.

It’s less hate for tinkers and more hate for the obsessive ones that make any discussion tedious

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To be fair, they have something of a point if you want to limit it to Warcraft III classes—we're definitely not getting Dark Rangers anytime soon as a unique class with their most prominent member now being MIA for the foreseeable future and Necromancers seem unlikely, as well. I could theoretically see a Lich class being very fun and interesting, but I don't know what could justify it.

The scourge is still a threat
We just got done helping the source of lich magic

[Shadochi]

They can't hotfix files/assets yet, there's signs of them working on that and we might see it at some point, but it hasn't been used/seen yet.

Ah rather interesting, hopefully this in combination with more/better encrypting can lead to something better. TBH it's way better to have people speculate on what COULD happen during PTR as far as story goes than bash what IS happening

[Three Faced Goddess]

The Dark Iron and Belf stuff are just additions to their Heritage quests and rewards. More builds will probably add more heritage additions like the Void Elf weapons we never got.

The Forsaken stuff is something unrelated and looks to be bigger than those. It's an actual change to a zone + questlines anyone(?) can do.

Plus, why would they encrypt the Tirisfal Map, Calia, and the quests but not encrypt the Blood Elf and Dark Iron ones? Usually means they want to hide something and that it's important.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The scourge is still a threat
We just got done helping the source of lich magic

Not really. I would say that with the destruction of the Helm of Domination and it now being in the possession of someone fairly trustworthy, I don't buy a Death expansion coming anytime soon—especially not as the next. I also don't think this whole Primus theory is going anywhere. It all seems like copium to me about a bad story more than a legitimate theory. It's too convoluted and no less nonsensical than the Jailer plotline.

I would like to see a Lich or Necromancer class, but I highly doubt we'll ever see a Death-themed plot again, given we have five other Cosmic Forces and a brand new asspull to go through. There's also no thematic reason for it—even if there is actually a good amount of lore reasons for Necromancers, which I think there is, it would probably just have to be for a Warlock reskin since there's no justification for sinking the amount of resources necessary for a new class into something which can't really sell an expansion nor has any connection to one going forward.

[Shadochi]

Oh wow I wasn't aware that Belves get a quest where they are fending off the scourge, do we know if its "the scourge is free since the helm broke and rampaging" or "this seems to be one of the few scourge armies remaining so we are finishing them off"?

But yeah I wonder if we will get access to the locked area of Tirisfal

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Oh wow I wasn't aware that Belves get a quest where they are fending off the scourge, do we know if its "the scourge is free since the helm broke and rampaging" or "this seems to be one of the few scourge armies remaining so we are finishing them off"?

Seems like the latter. It's a single Darkfallen Blood Prince and his proxies.

[Shadochi]

Seems like the latter. It's a single Darkfallen Blood Prince and his proxies.

Ah that makes sense to tackle that story plot then

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Ah that makes sense to tackle that story plot then

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. I'm doubting it's indicative we're going to see more Scourge content anytime soon.

[Shadochi]

Also what is the latest number on the Forsaken population? Seems to me like in Battle for Lordaeron most of the plague turned the races to skeletons and not forsaken, and I'd assume that plague production has halted since they lost Undercity, so no new post BfA and only the few like Jaina's brother created during BfA.
Wonder if they will tackle that issue for them with Calia becoming the new faction leader (and a Menethil being once again the leader of Lordaeron (undead) people)

[Khaza-R]

Oh wow I wasn't aware that Belves get a quest where they are fending off the scourge, do we know if its "the scourge is free since the helm broke and rampaging" or "this seems to be one of the few scourge armies remaining so we are finishing them off"?

But yeah I wonder if we will get access to the locked area of Tirisfal

The quest line alludes that they might be rampant in Northrend.

Lor'themar: I will inform the Ebon Blade of what transpired. If the Scourge caused such problems here, I suspect matters in Northrend may be even worse.

Who knows if we will get to explore that any further. But it is interesting at least, considering a lot of us thought the devs basically forgot about the Scourge.

Iirc new Forsaken post Wrath only came from Syl's Valkyr and they're all dead now so likely new Forsaken going forward will stem from Calia and whatever light infused powers she has.

Plus side is Forsaken Paladins can finally be a thing if that ends up being the case.

That's a good observation. I never thought about that angle of Calia being their progenitor from now on.

You have to love that Forsaken have basically 4 generations at this point. I hope they distinguish that in game somehow.

[Shadochi]

The quest line alludes that they might be rampant in Northrend.

Lor'themar: I will inform the Ebon Blade of what transpired. If the Scourge caused such problems here, I suspect matters in Northrend may be even worse.

Who knows if we will get to explore that any further. But it is interesting at least, considering a lot of us thought the devs basically forgot about the Scourge.

Huh I just went through the wowhead post, is this skin for this model new or did we see it before?

[SunspotAnims]

Huh I just went through the wowhead post, is this skin for this model new or did we see it before?

It's from Black Rook Hold in Legion.

[Lady Atia]

The quest line alludes that they might be rampant in Northrend.

Lor'themar: I will inform the Ebon Blade of what transpired. If the Scourge caused such problems here, I suspect matters in Northrend may be even worse.

Who knows if we will get to explore that any further. But it is interesting at least, considering a lot of us thought the devs basically forgot about the Scourge.

How cool would it be if they would add Northrend to a future world hd graphics revamp and let us have kill remants of the scourge for worldquests/rare farming there. Like honestly, I just want a HD graphics revamp and some evergreen content for the older continents.

[Khaza-R]

Huh I just went through the wowhead post, is this skin for this model new or did we see it before?

I believe its from Black Rook Hold in Legion but I could be wrong.

[Santandame]

Obviously death threats and the like have no place here or anywhere else and I don't think anyone condones them. But I'm 100% going to be calling out the developers and writers for the stupid shit they pull because most of it is inexcusable. I've been watching my favorite game slowly die at the hands of incompetent and/or uncaring developers for almost a decade now and it's seriously depressing. I want this game to be great, but when it comes to turning a blind eye to Blizzard's poor management of my favorite franchise, that's not something I can do anymore lol.

That said, I am also aware that most decisions at the company don't actually come from a single person but rather as a result of teams coming together to brainstorm ideas. But they also have lead roles that should do a much better job at directing the game in the right direction. Ion is the Game Director so he should stop directing the game down the drain with the anti-fun time-waste systems he keeps designing, and Danuser is the Lead Narrative Designer, so he should do a better job of leading his team of writers into not writing garbage, plot hole filled Sylvanas fanfiction.

Guy, you say that you've watched the devs destroy this game you love for the past decade, but you also have an I miss Legion sig.

Which is it?

[PhillyCheese]

Iirc new Forsaken post Wrath only came from Syl's Valkyr and they're all dead now so likely new Forsaken going forward will stem from Calia and whatever light infused powers she has.

Plus side is Forsaken Paladins can finally be a thing if that ends up being the case.

It would honestly be lame if only Naaru-raised Forsaken can be paladins, the idea that the old ones could do it but it really hurts them is cool. It means they suffer but are still devout in their faith.

This actually brings up a good point: are we even sure they WILL make new Forsaken? Sylvanas did it post-Wrath to support the Jailer... why would Calia do it?

I can see her offering the choice to the people that Sylvanas killed in Before the Storm, but outside why would she be rezzing random corpses? Her character isn’t very developed yet but she doesn’t seem crazy or manipulative.

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How cool would it be if they would add Northrend to a future world hd graphics revamp and let us have kill remants of the scourge for worldquests/rare farming there. Like honestly, I just want a HD graphics revamp and some evergreen content for the older continents.

I would be shocked if they touched Pandaria or Northrend graphically. If anything it would be a reason for Bolvar to disappear to Northrend to help defend the people off screen.

[Varx]

You and Teriz are full of it. It's posts like this that make people dislike tinkers.

Teriz is pretty chill, if anyone triggers people more it's me. But I'm just speaking the truth, why it triggers people so much is beyond me.

But if they read the terrain like I do instead of going off of personal desires then they'd understand and wouldn't get their jimmies rustled. Again, I have no intention of maining a tinker, I just know with 100% certainty that they're wow's next playable class. It's so God damn obvious all things considered.

If that triggers people then oh well.

[Revamp Man]

Not really. I would say that with the destruction of the Helm of Domination and it now being in the possession of someone fairly trustworthy, I don't buy a Death expansion coming anytime soon—especially not as the next. I also don't think this whole Primus theory is going anywhere. It all seems like copium to me about a bad story more than a legitimate theory. It's too convoluted and no less nonsensical than the Jailer plotline.

I would like to see a Lich or Necromancer class, but I highly doubt we'll ever see a Death-themed plot again, given we have five other Cosmic Forces and a brand new asspull to go through. There's also no thematic reason for it—even if there is actually a good amount of lore reasons for Necromancers, which I think there is, it would probably just have to be for a Warlock reskin since there's no justification for sinking the amount of resources necessary for a new class into something which can't really sell an expansion nor has any connection to one going forward.

helm of domination controlled the scourge via domination magic
the crown of wills was just made to fight domination magic

the scourge attacking silvermoon kinda helps point to this