Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

You're talking about the same developers who brought Illidan back so that we could get Demon Hunters and a Burning Legion expansion, and loaded up Sylvanas and Gazlowe with HotS abilities in WoW.

That's correct, Mister "Elite Tauren Chieftan's bardic abilities will never be a part of WoW"

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It was from an interview, not a press release, and it was talking about development timelines. He said they were finalizing individual narrative beats well into after Alex got shit canned. You have nothing as usual.

Press is Press. He absolutely did not say that. Ion hasn't commented on the firings at all.

[Polybius]

after reading through all that, tinkers need to be added just to make this forum seethe. hopefully, with the void elves option.

btw i've seen somewhere that a pronoun choice might be coming. if such a small text variable is under development, surely they wouldn't mind giving the players an ability to specify their race - changing 'troll' to 'Darkspear troll' or 'Sandfury troll'. skin's already in-game.
or 'void' to 'high', for example.

I'd kill for a Keebler Elf adjective.

[Teriz]

That's correct, Mister "Elite Tauren Chieftan's bardic abilities will never be a part of WoW"

Which they won't, because ETC isn't a legitimate lore character. He's a spoof of a rock band made up of Blizzard employees and of the Tauren Chieftain hero from WC3. When he leads us in a raid, or helps us slay a dragon, then he'll be considered for contention.

[PhillyCheese]

I do think people are crazy when they say that they changed Sylvanas’s fate: the soul split existed early because of Uther, and the only reason the “Maw time” thing exists is for Sylvanas’s punishment.

There’s a chance they condensed a Thros patch but people were actually crazy/low IQ if they thought Sylvanas would get Kerrigan’d.

The problem isn’t that villains don’t get punished in WoW, it’s that it takes four IRL years to do so.

[Vakir]

Press is Press. He absolutely did not say that. Ion hasn't commented on the firings at all.

But not a press release.

He didn't say any names, but it requires a basic examination of the timeline to know. To say things "came together" only at the end of the prior year and early in the next means way after June. Moreover, of course nothing magically poofs onto the PTR, but the gap was absolutely mental and based on their wording, decisions on narrative beats were decided outright later.

But the biggest thing is, again, how can this all be the grand plan of one man...when the same narrative being pushed is that he was intending to have her be a generic psycho as a dig at Kosack and her arc in SL runs entirely contrary to that.

[Ielenia]

[QUOTE=Teriz;53663292]Yeah, they don't. It should be rather obvious to any observer what a WoW hint would be and just a general reference to pop culture.

For example, the Stormwind Skychaseer/Orgrimmar Interceptor mounts are definitely not canon, but were an obvious hint for Battle for Azeroth.

First off: the skychaser and interceptors were literally released during the Blizzcon event that revealed BfA.
Second: they are canon. The skychaser, for example, was built by engineer Cogspinner. By an engineer, fancy that...

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it doesn't take 6 months between episodes though, and what you get in an x.0 is hardly equivalent to a tv show season, its not satisfying or worth being invested in, and that's a huge reason why people are dissatisfied with the story right now, its not a good way to tell a story, it doesn't communicate the plot well.

Because TV shows are usually have an entire season recorded in one go, basically, while games like this are released as they are ready. When an expansion launched, you don't get all content patches in one go. You get one at a time as they're being produced.

[Lady Atia]

Yeah, they don't. It should be rather obvious to any observer what a WoW hint would be and just a general reference to pop culture.

For example, the Stormwind Skychaseer/Orgrimmar Interceptor mounts are definitely not canon, but were an obvious hint for Battle for Azeroth.

Actually, that one goblin during the Battle for Darkshore is using the Orgrimmar Interceptor mount.

[Teriz]

[QUOTE=Ielenia;53663329]

First off: the skychaser and interceptors were literally released during the Blizzcon event that revealed BfA.
Second: they are canon. The skychaser, for example, was built by engineer Cogspinner. By an engineer, fancy that...

False, they were released in September of 2017. BFA wasn't announced until November 2017.

As you can see from this press release, the mounts became available as soon as they were announced in September;

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...r-interceptor/

Also, the actual Skychaser and Interceptor are canon. The little miniature ships where your body takes up half the vessel are obviously not canon.

[Ielenia]

False, they were released in September of 2017. BFA wasn't announced until November 2017.

Misspoke. They were released for the Blizzcon. They were literally given to you if you bought the Blizzcon ticket.

Also, the actual Skychaser and Interceptor are canon. The little miniature ships where your body takes up half the vessel are obviously not canon.

Why wouldn't they be?

[therumblings]

Those mounts are obviously canon, like @Lady Atia said they are used in game during the Battle of Darkshore.

[guro-tchai]

I'd kill for a Keebler Elf adjective.

i mean, refugees had to pick up new skills and earn for a living in Stormwind. why not cookies? this is completely lore-friendly.
Bobby could make a buck from product placement, writers could make a powerful statement about the effects of unbridled capitalism and racism on underprivileged populations. it's a win-win.

[Teriz]

Misspoke. They were released for the Blizzcon. They were literally given to you if you bought the Blizzcon ticket.

Yeah, we knew BlizzCon was coming. We had no idea what the next expansion would be. Those mounts were a hint to what the next expansion was going to be.

Why wouldn't they be?

Definitely not canon.

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Those mounts are obviously canon, like @Lady Atia said they are used in game during the Battle of Darkshore.

Link to the NPC flying those mounts.

[therumblings]

Link to the NPC flying those mounts.

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=145554/base-capn-crankshot

[Teriz]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=145554/base-capn-crankshot

And the Skychaser?

[therumblings]

And the Skychaser?

I couldn't find that one, but the interceptor is obviously canon and has no reason to not be.

[Teriz]

I couldn't find that one, but the interceptor is obviously canon and has no reason to not be.

Well the Interceptor looks like an actual vehicle that can be piloted in lore, the Skychaser does not. It looks like one of those motorized cars for children. So I can buy the notion that one mount is lore based while the other was not, and was simply designed to have an Alliance equivalent to the Horde mount.

The Skychaser looks like a Fischer Price toy. I wouldn't choose to have it show up either.

Couldn't agree more.

[Vakir]

The Skychaser looks like a Fischer Price toy. I wouldn't choose to have it show up either.

[Polybius]

i mean, refugees had to pick up new skills and earn for a living in Stormwind. why not cookies? this is completely lore-friendly.
Bobby could make a buck from product placement, writers could make a powerful statement about the effects of unbridled capitalism and racism on underprivileged populations. it's a win-win.

That cooking profession will be worth leveling now.

[Shadochi]

That cooking profession will be worth leveling now.

wym? Cooking is one of the few professions that is always useful for leveling on at least you main character. You get plenty of mats par fish from just doing regular daily content (even more if you play alts) and mats can be got through other currencies or mission tables. And it is useful/required in all forms of endgame PvE content (not sure about pvp as I dont do it). Sure you can just buy the food but its much cheaper if you just level or craft even if you end up having to buy the fish

[Polybius]

wym? Cooking is one of the few professions that is always useful for leveling on at least you main character. You get plenty of mats par fish from just doing regular daily content (even more if you play alts) and mats can be got through other currencies or mission tables. And it is useful/required in all forms of endgame PvE content (not sure about pvp as I dont do it). Sure you can just buy the food but its much cheaper if you just level or craft even if you end up having to buy the fish

It's still a fun and useful prof but I haven't bothered. I prioritize roleplay, so chef's hat is the only thing I'd get out of it.