Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

I asked it in hopes you would realize the double-logic you were using: You kept insisting that they can't add bards because they can't create a new class by pulling pre-existing W3 abilities into a new class when clearly they can. IE. Rogues.

I never said that. I said they're unlikely to add Bards because there's no major Bard hero character in lore, Blizzard eliminated the Bard playstyle in Wrath, and there isn't a history of a Bard class in Warcraft. This includes the WoW RPG which frankly included a wide variety of classes. I do believe that might be due to Metzen supposedly believing that Bards were "too soft" for Warcraft.

Interestingly, the WoW RPG included Death Knights, Brewmasters (Monks), and Demon Hunter classes before we got them in WoW the game. So that is something to consider.

[Kiria]

In case of endlessly bickering about the same thing, ignore lists exist, people. Get a grip.

This, I have put a few people on it now as I got tired of the pointless debate..

[Ersula]

Which they won't, because ETC isn't a legitimate lore character. He's a spoof of a rock band made up of Blizzard employees and of the Tauren Chieftain hero from WC3. When he leads us in a raid, or helps us slay a dragon, then he'll be considered for contention.

Chen was a joke character until he wasn't. All they have to do is decide the character is legitimate. Which is good for you because I'd describe Mekkatorque as a joke character too.

Don't say "but he's a racial leader." He's gotten less character focus in 20 years than Calia had in 4, and she's just some dev's Orzhov mary sue.

I never said that. I said they're unlikely to add Bards because there's no major Bard hero character in lore, Blizzard eliminated the Bard playstyle in Wrath, and there isn't a history of a Bard class in Warcraft. This includes the WoW RPG which frankly included a wide variety of classes. I do believe that might be due to Metzen supposedly believing that Bards were "too soft" for Warcraft.

You repeatedly described Bards as "impossible" to add to WoW. So you did say that. And that's been the entirety of everyone's problem with your argument so I'm glad you've recanted.

This, I have put a few people on it now as I got tired of the pointless debate..

Nothing's stopping you from introducing a more interesting topic. It's not our fault the post-finale content drought is real.

[Teriz]

Chen was a joke character until he wasn't. All they have to do is decide the character is legitimate. Which is good for you because I'd describe Mekkatorque as a joke character too.

And I actually agree with that. However, Blizzard are the ones who have to decide to make him a more serious character that actually participates in the lore on a far more serious level. For example, while you may think Mekkatorque is a joke character, he participated in the Battle of Broken Shore during legion, fought in the Battle of Lordaeron, worked closely with Jaina in BFA, and was a raid boss. That would be an example of actually participating in the lore.

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You repeatedly described Bards as "impossible" to add to WoW. So you did say that. And that's been the entirety of everyone's problem with your argument so I'm glad you've recanted.

Please show me the quote where I said Bards were "impossible".

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Nothing's stopping you from introducing a more interesting topic. It's not our fault the post-finale content drought is real.

Indeed. Something else we agree on.......

[ChairmanKaga]

This, I have put a few people on it now as I got tired of the pointless debate..

This thread is hilarious looking once you ignore the really obnoxious ones.

[Nightshade711]

While I doubt it’ll happen, I could actually see blizzard pulling something similar to allied races for classes
“Hey here’s this class skin/sub class that you have to grind a reputation to unlock”

We’d get some for the preorder for SL then have a few more for the release.
Necromancer - Warlock skin
Dark Ranger - Hunter skin
Priestess of the Moon - Priest (and/or Paladin skin)
Etc

Or perhaps go the route of doing that but with more racial class skins. (Witch doctor for troll shamans, etc)
With everybody saying everything in the PTR is a hint to a future xpac I’m shocked people aren’t saying the Blood Elf Paladin questline isn’t a hint to racial class skins.

But I’d still prefer a whole new class like Tinker or Dragonsworn… but we’ll see come the 19th

[Fahrad Wagner]

While I doubt it’ll happen, I could actually see blizzard pulling something similar to allied races for classes
“Hey here’s this class skin/sub class that you have to grind a reputation to unlock”

We’d get some for the preorder for SL then have a few more for the release.
Necromancer - Warlock skin
Dark Ranger - Hunter skin
Priestess of the Moon - Priest (and/or Paladin skin)
Etc

Or perhaps go the route of doing that but with more racial class skins. (Witch doctor for troll shamans, etc)
With everybody saying everything in the PTR is a hint to a future xpac I’m shocked people aren’t saying the Blood Elf Paladin questline isn’t a hint to racial class skins.

But I’d still prefer a whole new class like Tinker or Dragonsworn… but we’ll see come the 19th

I think we may have racial class skins in the future, but throug specific questlines rather than rep grinds

[Khaza-R]

While I doubt it’ll happen, I could actually see blizzard pulling something similar to allied races for classes
“Hey here’s this class skin/sub class that you have to grind a reputation to unlock”

We’d get some for the preorder for SL then have a few more for the release.
Necromancer - Warlock skin
Dark Ranger - Hunter skin
Priestess of the Moon - Priest (and/or Paladin skin)
Etc

Or perhaps go the route of doing that but with more racial class skins. (Witch doctor for troll shamans, etc)
With everybody saying everything in the PTR is a hint to a future xpac I’m shocked people aren’t saying the Blood Elf Paladin questline isn’t a hint to racial class skins.

But I’d still prefer a whole new class like Tinker or Dragonsworn… but we’ll see come the 19th

The race/class specific Blood Knight gear is a good sign. If not class skins or glyphs but at least some transmog would be nice.

[Ersula]

The race/class specific Blood Knight gear is a good sign. If not class skins or glyphs but at least some transmog would be nice.

It's not class specific. Just Blood Elf specific. Which is weird. I think everyone would prefer if it were paladin specific but also be the entire set, not just the helm & belt.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

In case of endlessly bickering about the same thing, ignore lists exist, people. Get a grip.

I honestly had no idea this existed. Even searched for it a few times before. Thought the mods just revelled in making people endure each other if they come to this site.

But thank goodness. Even blocks signature images, phew. remaining Sanity is like 1/10 but still intact.

[Nightshade711]

It's not class specific. Just Blood Elf specific. Which is weird. I think everyone would prefer if it were paladin specific but also be the entire set, not just the helm & belt.

Oh weird. I thought they were gonna do the full set, but just hadn’t added it to PTR yet.

[Ielenia]

Yeah, we knew BlizzCon was coming. We had no idea what the next expansion would be. Those mounts were a hint to what the next expansion was going to be.

Because they're part of Blizzcon event which would announce the expansion.

Definitely not canon.

"Definitely not canon" is not an argument.

[Nightshade711]

The race/class specific Blood Knight gear is a good sign. If not class skins or glyphs but at least some transmog would be nice.

I’d love to have more class identity/focus when it comes to customization, but yeah more racial transmogs for the classes would be cool too.

[Khaza-R]

It's not class specific. Just Blood Elf specific. Which is weird. I think everyone would prefer if it were paladin specific but also be the entire set, not just the helm & belt.

According to WoWhead Paladins have a different quest at the end of the chain which is what actually awards the appearance. So its both class and race specific.

As for the entire ensemble, it might just not be complete yet. Or there might be more chapters to these racial quest lines in the future. I guess we will have to wait and see.

[Teriz]

Because they're part of Blizzcon event which would announce the expansion.

Which is irrelevant. The point is that those mounts foreshadowed an expansion that we knew nothing about. Hence, they were hints of the next expansion.

"Definitely not canon" is not an argument.

Okay, the Skychaser mount is not canon, yet it still hinted at future content.

Better?

[Santandame]

I don't know why people aren't putting more stock in the tweet from the official WoW twitter account a couple months ago, which had the caption ''Dreaming of the future'' or something else very similar along those lines, with pictures of the green parts of Desolace. Which ironically, was the most prominent zone revamped during Cataclysm that wasn't altered due to destruction, but where life had flourished.

That to me, is pretty much a massive wink wink nudge nudge from the devs suggesting what the next expansion is - which would be a world revamp expansion this time based on rebuilding, rather than destruction which was brought by Cataclysm.

[username993720]

MM should be the typical elven archer type spec.

MM should be a sapper, to be honest.
Elven archer should be reserved for Dark Ranger, Priestess of the Moon and the likes...

In WoW much of the Hunter class comes from Night Elf concepts. Night Elves in WC3 were almost entirely an archer faction, so a good portion of the Hunter concept originated there. This is why Hunters have/had abilities like Arcane Shot, Trueshot Aura, and Sentinel.

Arcane Shot is not Night elven, as far as i know.
The reason why Hunters have these is because it encompasses the Archer, which is mostly represented by elven Rangers.

https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=19305/starshards
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=19293/elunes-grace

None of them are in the game?
And they were part of the racial system, so every race got one.

Actually that's exactly what Stealth is. In fact, Ambush also came from the Blademaster, since when you came out of Windwalk (Stealth) you did additional damage on your initial attack.

Stealth is blending with the Shadows. Blademasters do not do that.
"Conceals you in the shadows until cancelled, allowing you to stalk enemies without being seen."
"So adept and agile are the blademasters that they can move so quickly that they appear to be invisible to the naked eye".

Ambush has nothing to do with that.
"Ambush an enemy, dealing 130 damage and reducing their Armor by 10 for 5 seconds."

"Grant Samuro Stealth for up to 10 seconds or until he attacks, uses an Ability, or takes damage.

While Stealthed, Samuro heals for 1% of his maximum Health per second, his Movement Speed is increased by 20%, and he can pass through other units. Remaining stationary for at least 1.5 seconds while Stealthed grants Invisible.

Samuro is Unrevealable for the first 1 second of Wind Walk."

The Warcraft 3 ability just did extra damage upon attacking, it didn't have an Ambush ability.
"Allows the Blademaster to become invisible, and move faster for a set amount of time. When the Blademaster attacks a unit to break invisibility, he will deal bonus damage."

Learn your lore, will ya?

Actually making a new class based on the remaining two WC3 heroes is very easy. If you take the abilities from WC3 Tinker and Alchemist, the abilities from Gazlowe HotS, and the abilities from the Goblin and Gnome characters on the Island Expedition teams, you already have a skeleton of a class.

Except, they are not the only ones remaining.
You clearly miss what they add as classes with the Demon Hunter. It's not ones that don't have abilities in the game.

Yes, in response to someone asking me where the Rogue got their abilities from in WC3.

They didn't. Not everything is related to WC3.
It comes from the RPG class Thief/Rogue.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lasses-origins

[Teriz]

I don't know why people aren't putting more stock in the tweet from the official WoW twitter account a couple months ago, which had the caption ''Dreaming of the future'' or something else very similar along those lines, with pictures of the green parts of Desolace. Which ironically, was the most prominent zone revamped during Cataclysm that wasn't altered due to destruction, but where life had flourished.

That to me, is pretty much a massive wink wink nudge nudge from the devs suggesting what the next expansion is - which would be a world revamp expansion this time based on rebuilding, rather than destruction which was brought by Cataclysm.

Do you have a link to the tweet?

[Konteil]

Absolutely. Blizzard has been known to squander potential expansion settings into disappointingly small patches in the past (Argus, Nazjatar, Ny'alotha, etc.) so it's totally within the realm of possibilities that one or more of these themes could be somehow made to fit a single expansion. But I still believe that an Old World Revamp would be way too early for 10.0.

I can't find it anymore but I saw a leak a while ago that claimed Blizzard was basically planning to carry out the "Void Saga" before going back to a revamped Azeroth at some point in 2030 as a way to "reset" the universe back to its more humble, Warcraft roots. I'm not saying that leak was real by any means, but that's a solution that makes the most sense to me if they want to shift the focus back to Azeroth without players being constantly distracted by the looming threat of a Purple Space God threatening to end the universe.

nyalotha was such a disapointment. i was waiting for years to see it and it was purple angles adn no decor. iw as waiting for a wholsesale horror vibe straight from teh mind of lovecraft adn we got purple bullshit quadrilaterals. and boring as fuck bosses.

[Santandame]

NO. NOBODTY FUCKING IS

It's not like you're god damn PAID to be this obnoxious so what the fuck gives

I mean seriously, stop spamming these forums with the same 6 images

He isn't spamming. He's discussing the idea of what the next expansion COULD be and also what he personally WANTS. Which is well within the rules here. If he wants an Undermine/Dragon expansion, and has his reasons for thinking it can be one then that's fair game and it doesn't make his opinion ''spam'' or lesser than anyone else who wants, for example, a Lordaeron revamp expansion.

People complain about Teriz, and to a lesser extent Varx and constantly ask for them to be banned or to stop talking. If anything, the mods need to take a harder look at the people who constantly feel the need to be rude, dismissive and ironically, the more obnoxious ones to them, just because they have a different OPINION. Funnily enough, its the posts like yours, and ironically at this point, mine, that derails this thread - not them for sharing their speculation and opinions on Tinkers/Undermine/whatever.

As has already been mentioned, if it bothers you THAT much - ignore them. And as already has been mentioned - get a grip.