Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

Now the issue is that Bards don't fit into that paradigm. There were no Bard heroes in WC3, and the only thing remotely close was an orc on the back of a Kodo beating a drum. Again, it is up to Blizzard to change that.

How is that an issue? You know Bards don't completely revolve around instruments right?

Charm - Transmute - Vampiric Aura - Dryad Poison - Sleep - Possession - Searing Arrow

Are all abilities that could be incorporated into bard, assuming they're so creatively bankrupt that they'd have to keep going back to W3 to come up with class ideas.

I mainly looking at Dancer in FFXIV and saying that's the one playstyle not represented in a WoW class yet. And I remember the good decade where all WoW did was copy ideas from other MMOs but do them better. It's just as likely they do that with Tinker but they got to let go of W3 eventually.

[Ielenia]

Which is irrelevant. The point is that those mounts foreshadowed an expansion that we knew nothing about. Hence, they were hints of the next expansion.

A mount that came out mere few months before the event which we knew would be announcing a new expansion, and were awarded by buying the ticket for said event. The mount was directly related to Blizzcon. They're not a mount that was released at a randomly chosen date like the Stormscale Incinerator and isn't bound to anything other than a six-months subscription reward.

Okay, the Skychaser mount is not canon, yet it still hinted at future content.

Better?

"The skychaser mount is not canon" is also not an argument. It's basically just your "because I, Teriz, say so". We have a lore entry for it. We know who built it.

[Teriz]

How is that an issue? You know Bards don't completely revolve around instruments right?

It's an issue because you have no Warcraft-based concept to base this upon, so you can just say anything applies. For example;

Charm - Transmute - Vampiric Aura - Dryad Poison - Sleep - Possession - Searing Arrow

Are all abilities that could be incorporated into bard....

Of course they can, because the Bard can be whatever YOU think it is. However, this discussion isn't about what YOU think a Bard in WoW could or should be, it's about likelihood. The use of FFI4's dancer is a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about. We sort of need a Warcraft foundation for a Warcraft class. We had that with Death Knights, Monks, and Demon Hunters.

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A mount that came out mere few months before the event which we knew would be announcing a new expansion, and were awarded by buying the ticket for said event. The mount was directly related to Blizzcon. They're not a mount that was released at a randomly chosen date like the Stormscale Incinerator and isn't bound to anything other than a six-months subscription reward.

Again, this is completely irrelevant. The point is that the mount came out BEFORE we knew what the next expansion was going to be.

"The skychaser mount is not canon" is also not an argument. It's basically just your "because I, Teriz, say so". We have a lore entry for it. We know who built it.

Cool. Where in WoW is there an NPC piloting the Skychaser like we see with the Interceptor?

[Varx]

While I agree, what you fail to realize is when people make their ideas Teriz or more to the extent Varx will come back and say no because lalala.

These guys outright dismiss and diminish other peoples posts and that is considered extremely rude and obnoxious because they start pushing their opinion as rule.

Because I know I'm right, like I've given so many reasons with what I think is coming is actually coming.

Yet people like you denouce simple because you don't like the idea of tinker.

I think people are just extra sensitive since reveal is so close and deep down u know me and teriz are right.

[Calfredd]

Because I know I'm right, like I've given so many reasons with what I think is coming is actually coming.

Yet people like you denouce simple because you don't like the idea of tinker.

I think people are just extra sensitive since reveal is so close and deep down u know me and teriz are right.

You know what's more obnoxious than a sore loser? A sore winner.

[Vakir]

It's not about talking about other subjects its just the constant circle jerk around the T word when people are discussing other potential classes.

Honestly, at this point? I see it like /pol/. It's better to exist here for them to obsess than not because it helps to quarantine the cancer in one spot.

But then I remember "oh, nevermind. Every OTHER thread is getting derailed too."

[Grimbold21]

So much obnoxious discussion about tinkers, VE, Undermines and whatnot.

What about the master race?

What about the Dwarves!!

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Because I know I'm right, like I've given so many reasons with what I think is coming is actually coming.

Yet people like you denouce simple because you don't like the idea of tinker.

I think people are just extra sensitive since reveal is so close and deep down u know me and teriz are right.

Whenever a thread becomes flooded with tinker and stuff discussion, this what comes to mind.

People chilling, discussing smth that is mildly related, and in come the crows!

[Ersula]

Of course they can, because the Bard can be whatever YOU think it is. However, this discussion isn't about what YOU think a Bard in WoW could or should be, it's about likelihood. The use of FFI4's dancer is a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about. We sort of need a Warcraft foundation for a Warcraft class. We had that with Death Knights, Monks, and Demon Hunters.

They put bards, identified by that word, in the last two expansions. That's arguably more than the word "Tinker" appears in the game.

Whenever a thread becomes flooded with tinker and stuff discussion, this what comes to mind.

That'll happen when Teriz repeatedly tries to claim something that's already been debunked like "bards don't exist in warcraft lore"

[Hitei]

Because I know I'm right, like I've given so many reasons with what I think is coming is actually coming.

Yet people like you denouce simple because you don't like the idea of tinker.

I think people are just extra sensitive since reveal is so close and deep down u know me and teriz are right.

People denounce because Teriz is a literal fucking spammer who has been warned not to derail threads into his pathological obsession dozens of times and yet completely ignores that and continues to do so 24/7. In the past 48 hours he's managed to derail this thread, the fake "Light's Judgement" leak thread, the "Lordaeron revamp would bring new specs" thread, and ro9ue's "Shadow Hunter" thread.

This has been happening for years and he can't take a hint, so now everyone is tired of his bullshit and no longer has any sympathy for him continuing to spam and derail threads. And you've shown up, ignorant of the entire surrounding context, going "w-why do you guys keep harping on Teriz and tinkers?!"

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[Ielenia]

Again, this is completely irrelevant. The point is that the mount came out BEFORE we knew what the next expansion was going to be.

It's not irrelevant. It's a mount directly related to the event that announced the expansion. The stormscale mount is not related to anything.

Cool. Where in WoW is there an NPC piloting the Skychaser like we see with the Interceptor?

You do know that a character does not need to exist in the World of Warcraft game world to exist in the lore, right? Plenty of characters exist in novels but not in the game and are still part of the lore.

[Catastrophy349]

Can I propose an alternative topic/conversation to discuss? We spend so much time talking about what the next expansion could be in terms of theme, setting, potential new race(s) or class(es), etc. Here's my question: What do you absolutely NOT want for 10.0? You can answer this question however you want (story, class, race, systems, etc.). I'm curious.

[Civciv]

It's been a few pages and still you guys are talking about mount. Wow.

[Calfredd]

Can I propose an alternative topic/conversation to discuss? We spend so much time talking about what the next expansion could be in terms of theme, setting, potential new race(s) or class(es), etc. Here's my question: What do you absolutely NOT want for 10.0? You can answer this question however you want (story, class, race, systems, etc.). I'm curious.

Big caveat: You cannot talk about Tinkers for this exercise or we'll just keep circling the drain, just in reverse.

[Hitei]

Can I propose an alternative topic/conversation to discuss? We spend so much time talking about what the next expansion could be in terms of theme, setting, potential new race(s) or class(es), etc. Here's my question: What do you absolutely NOT want for 10.0? You can answer this question however you want (story, class, race, systems, etc.). I'm curious.

I genuinely do not want Lordaeron. It's a super boring region with a bunch of storylines that have already been explored and dealt with, most of them multiple times.

[therumblings]

The Tinker discussion alone probably gave this thread hundreds of pages lol

[Civciv]

Can I propose an alternative topic/conversation to discuss? We spend so much time talking about what the next expansion could be in terms of theme, setting, potential new race(s) or class(es), etc. Here's my question: What do you absolutely NOT want for 10.0? You can answer this question however you want (story, class, race, systems, etc.). I'm curious.

I don't want legendaries in next expansion. At least not with gold.

[PhillyCheese]

A world revamp will most likely be a dragon expansion because the only other dragon expansion had a revamp. You can also argue that Cata was more elemental themed than dragon themed and we still have yet to get a “dragon expansion” that Dragon Isles would cover.

Blizzard has been linking expansions hard since WoD and Legion were connected hard to TBC. BFA was linked to Mists in many ways and SL is a direct follow up to Wrath.

Cata is the only one left.

[Nightshade711]

Can I propose an alternative topic/conversation to discuss? We spend so much time talking about what the next expansion could be in terms of theme, setting, potential new race(s) or class(es), etc. Here's my question: What do you absolutely NOT want for 10.0? You can answer this question however you want (story, class, race, systems, etc.). I'm curious.

Don't want Sylvanas in another main cinematic.
Don't want them to lock a possible class or core race behind a rep grind. (And don't want another expansion without a new core race or class)
Don't want every zone in the new area to be disconnected from each other like SL.
Don't want to deal with any more large cosmic things, and would prefer things to be a bit more grounded. (Cosmic stuff happening in the background is ok.)
Don't want actual playable dragons except maybe a flight form or mount like Tarecgosa/Vial of Sands.

[Aucald]

Again, the pro- and anti-Tinker argument is getting out of hand and not allowing any other kind of discussion. Let's drop the back and forth or take it to PM's to allow this thread to discuss other aspects of 9.X and 10.0 speculation beyond possible future classes (especially Tinkers).

[boyzma]

I would enjoy a dragon expansion...but in new lands. A partial revamp might be okay...but not to have the whole expansion centered around new/old lands.