Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Kiria]

Nothing's stopping you from introducing a more interesting topic. It's not our fault the post-finale content drought is real.

It's not about talking about other subjects its just the constant circle jerk around the T word when people are discussing other potential classes.

[Santandame]

Thank you.

This simply adds to my belief that we're looking at a Cataclysm 2.0. However as you mentioned in your previous post, not really based on destruction, but change, where lingering storylines and zones from Cataclysm are finally updated. With that you can get Worgen returning to Gilneas and Goblins returning to Kezan/Undermine, which works since it was Cataclysm where they were driven from their homelands.

I see Cataclysm 2.0 as a foregone conclusion at this point. I can see all zones being revamped, with some merged. We'll see some towns in zones expanded, some new intrusions from other core races into zones they previously hadn't had much to do with, new localized threats to zones, as well as some greater threats scattered across several zones. I think the entire expansion will be marketed around rebuilding and progression.

I see it as a combination of Classic, Cataclysm and MoP.

As well as the old world being revamped (and relevant at max level to an extent), I see us getting new max level zones on top, just like Cataclysm. I imagine two of those zones will be Dragon Isles and Undermine. I also think we might get Tel'abim, Plunder Isle and Zul'Dare. Tel'abim and Undermine to fill in the Kalimdor side of the ocean of the Maelstrom. The latter 3 zones I'm on the fence about - but I'm pretty sure we actually will get both Dragon Isles and Undermine.

I think a new race or two are definitely possible, but yes, I do believe we will get a new class - and I do believe that class will be *gasp* - Tinker.

[Kiria]

He isn't spamming. He's discussing the idea of what the next expansion COULD be and also what he personally WANTS. Which is well within the rules here. If he wants an Undermine/Dragon expansion, and has his reasons for thinking it can be one then that's fair game and it doesn't make his opinion ''spam'' or lesser than anyone else who wants, for example, a Lordaeron revamp expansion.

People complain about Teriz, and to a lesser extent Varx and constantly ask for them to be banned or to stop talking. If anything, the mods need to take a harder look at the people who constantly feel the need to be rude, dismissive and ironically, the more obnoxious ones to them, just because they have a different OPINION. Funnily enough, its the posts like yours, and ironically at this point, mine, that derails this thread - not them for sharing their speculation and opinions on Tinkers/Undermine/whatever.

As has already been mentioned, if it bothers you THAT much - ignore them. And as already has been mentioned - get a grip.

While I agree, what you fail to realize is when people make their ideas Teriz or more to the extent Varx will come back and say no because lalala.

These guys outright dismiss and diminish other peoples posts and that is considered extremely rude and obnoxious because they start pushing their opinion as rule.

[Teriz]

The fact that non-night-elves use it shows that its not an Elune-based ability.

That's for gameplay purposes. Just like all Hunters could use Black Arrow despite not being undead elves.

Remember that double-logic thing you keep doing? "Every class is based on a W3 hero without exception" & "Sometimes they take W3 abilities & put it in a new class & change the name" are contradictions. You're showing they can create any new class they want wholesale so long as they incorporate some minor ability but you don't seem to be absorbing that point.

Well let me clarify; Classic classes are combinations of several classes. The only exception to this are Paladins.

Warriors: Blademaster, TC, MK, Footman, Knight, Tauren, wtc.
Mage: Blood Mage, Archmage, Sorceror, Lich, Sea Witch, etc.
Rogue: Blademaster, Warden, Demon Hunter, Various bandit creeps, etc.
Shaman: Farseer, Shaman, Witch Doctor, Shadow Hunter, Spirit Walker, etc.
Druid: DotC, DotT, KotG
Hunters: PotM, Dark Ranger, Beast Master, various NE units, etc.
Priests: Priest, PotM, Dark Ranger, etc.
Paladin: Paladin
Warlock: Pit Lord, Dreadlord, Banshee, Dark Ranger, Blood Mage, etc.

Now when we get to the expansion classes, things become a bit more uniform, and with the Demon Hunter in 2016, you begin to see the incorporation of HotS concepts;

Death Knight: DK, Necromancer, Lich, Crypt Lord, various Undead Units
Monk: Brewmaster
Demon Hunter: Demon Hunter (WC3 and HotS)


Now the issue is that Bards don't fit into that paradigm. There were no Bard heroes in WC3, and the only thing remotely close was an orc on the back of a Kodo beating a drum. Again, it is up to Blizzard to change that.

EDIT: Also I am aware that there is some other influences at play besides ONLY the WC3 units. However, it's rather clear that WC3 is the base of WoW classes. Again, completely up to Blizzard to change that.

[Ersula]

Now the issue is that Bards don't fit into that paradigm. There were no Bard heroes in WC3, and the only thing remotely close was an orc on the back of a Kodo beating a drum. Again, it is up to Blizzard to change that.

How is that an issue? You know Bards don't completely revolve around instruments right?

Charm - Transmute - Vampiric Aura - Dryad Poison - Sleep - Possession - Searing Arrow

Are all abilities that could be incorporated into bard, assuming they're so creatively bankrupt that they'd have to keep going back to W3 to come up with class ideas.

I mainly looking at Dancer in FFXIV and saying that's the one playstyle not represented in a WoW class yet. And I remember the good decade where all WoW did was copy ideas from other MMOs but do them better. It's just as likely they do that with Tinker but they got to let go of W3 eventually.

[Ielenia]

Which is irrelevant. The point is that those mounts foreshadowed an expansion that we knew nothing about. Hence, they were hints of the next expansion.

A mount that came out mere few months before the event which we knew would be announcing a new expansion, and were awarded by buying the ticket for said event. The mount was directly related to Blizzcon. They're not a mount that was released at a randomly chosen date like the Stormscale Incinerator and isn't bound to anything other than a six-months subscription reward.

Okay, the Skychaser mount is not canon, yet it still hinted at future content.

Better?

"The skychaser mount is not canon" is also not an argument. It's basically just your "because I, Teriz, say so". We have a lore entry for it. We know who built it.

[Teriz]

How is that an issue? You know Bards don't completely revolve around instruments right?

It's an issue because you have no Warcraft-based concept to base this upon, so you can just say anything applies. For example;

Charm - Transmute - Vampiric Aura - Dryad Poison - Sleep - Possession - Searing Arrow

Are all abilities that could be incorporated into bard....

Of course they can, because the Bard can be whatever YOU think it is. However, this discussion isn't about what YOU think a Bard in WoW could or should be, it's about likelihood. The use of FFI4's dancer is a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about. We sort of need a Warcraft foundation for a Warcraft class. We had that with Death Knights, Monks, and Demon Hunters.

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A mount that came out mere few months before the event which we knew would be announcing a new expansion, and were awarded by buying the ticket for said event. The mount was directly related to Blizzcon. They're not a mount that was released at a randomly chosen date like the Stormscale Incinerator and isn't bound to anything other than a six-months subscription reward.

Again, this is completely irrelevant. The point is that the mount came out BEFORE we knew what the next expansion was going to be.

"The skychaser mount is not canon" is also not an argument. It's basically just your "because I, Teriz, say so". We have a lore entry for it. We know who built it.

Cool. Where in WoW is there an NPC piloting the Skychaser like we see with the Interceptor?

[Varx]

While I agree, what you fail to realize is when people make their ideas Teriz or more to the extent Varx will come back and say no because lalala.

These guys outright dismiss and diminish other peoples posts and that is considered extremely rude and obnoxious because they start pushing their opinion as rule.

Because I know I'm right, like I've given so many reasons with what I think is coming is actually coming.

Yet people like you denouce simple because you don't like the idea of tinker.

I think people are just extra sensitive since reveal is so close and deep down u know me and teriz are right.

[Calfredd]

Because I know I'm right, like I've given so many reasons with what I think is coming is actually coming.

Yet people like you denouce simple because you don't like the idea of tinker.

I think people are just extra sensitive since reveal is so close and deep down u know me and teriz are right.

You know what's more obnoxious than a sore loser? A sore winner.

[Vakir]

It's not about talking about other subjects its just the constant circle jerk around the T word when people are discussing other potential classes.

Honestly, at this point? I see it like /pol/. It's better to exist here for them to obsess than not because it helps to quarantine the cancer in one spot.

But then I remember "oh, nevermind. Every OTHER thread is getting derailed too."

[Grimbold21]

So much obnoxious discussion about tinkers, VE, Undermines and whatnot.

What about the master race?

What about the Dwarves!!

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Because I know I'm right, like I've given so many reasons with what I think is coming is actually coming.

Yet people like you denouce simple because you don't like the idea of tinker.

I think people are just extra sensitive since reveal is so close and deep down u know me and teriz are right.

Whenever a thread becomes flooded with tinker and stuff discussion, this what comes to mind.

People chilling, discussing smth that is mildly related, and in come the crows!

[Ersula]

Of course they can, because the Bard can be whatever YOU think it is. However, this discussion isn't about what YOU think a Bard in WoW could or should be, it's about likelihood. The use of FFI4's dancer is a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about. We sort of need a Warcraft foundation for a Warcraft class. We had that with Death Knights, Monks, and Demon Hunters.

They put bards, identified by that word, in the last two expansions. That's arguably more than the word "Tinker" appears in the game.

Whenever a thread becomes flooded with tinker and stuff discussion, this what comes to mind.

That'll happen when Teriz repeatedly tries to claim something that's already been debunked like "bards don't exist in warcraft lore"

[Hitei]

Because I know I'm right, like I've given so many reasons with what I think is coming is actually coming.

Yet people like you denouce simple because you don't like the idea of tinker.

I think people are just extra sensitive since reveal is so close and deep down u know me and teriz are right.

People denounce because Teriz is a literal fucking spammer who has been warned not to derail threads into his pathological obsession dozens of times and yet completely ignores that and continues to do so 24/7. In the past 48 hours he's managed to derail this thread, the fake "Light's Judgement" leak thread, the "Lordaeron revamp would bring new specs" thread, and ro9ue's "Shadow Hunter" thread.

This has been happening for years and he can't take a hint, so now everyone is tired of his bullshit and no longer has any sympathy for him continuing to spam and derail threads. And you've shown up, ignorant of the entire surrounding context, going "w-why do you guys keep harping on Teriz and tinkers?!"

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[Ielenia]

Again, this is completely irrelevant. The point is that the mount came out BEFORE we knew what the next expansion was going to be.

It's not irrelevant. It's a mount directly related to the event that announced the expansion. The stormscale mount is not related to anything.

Cool. Where in WoW is there an NPC piloting the Skychaser like we see with the Interceptor?

You do know that a character does not need to exist in the World of Warcraft game world to exist in the lore, right? Plenty of characters exist in novels but not in the game and are still part of the lore.

[Catastrophy349]

Can I propose an alternative topic/conversation to discuss? We spend so much time talking about what the next expansion could be in terms of theme, setting, potential new race(s) or class(es), etc. Here's my question: What do you absolutely NOT want for 10.0? You can answer this question however you want (story, class, race, systems, etc.). I'm curious.

[Civciv]

It's been a few pages and still you guys are talking about mount. Wow.

[Calfredd]

Can I propose an alternative topic/conversation to discuss? We spend so much time talking about what the next expansion could be in terms of theme, setting, potential new race(s) or class(es), etc. Here's my question: What do you absolutely NOT want for 10.0? You can answer this question however you want (story, class, race, systems, etc.). I'm curious.

Big caveat: You cannot talk about Tinkers for this exercise or we'll just keep circling the drain, just in reverse.

[Hitei]

Can I propose an alternative topic/conversation to discuss? We spend so much time talking about what the next expansion could be in terms of theme, setting, potential new race(s) or class(es), etc. Here's my question: What do you absolutely NOT want for 10.0? You can answer this question however you want (story, class, race, systems, etc.). I'm curious.

I genuinely do not want Lordaeron. It's a super boring region with a bunch of storylines that have already been explored and dealt with, most of them multiple times.

[therumblings]

The Tinker discussion alone probably gave this thread hundreds of pages lol

[Civciv]

Can I propose an alternative topic/conversation to discuss? We spend so much time talking about what the next expansion could be in terms of theme, setting, potential new race(s) or class(es), etc. Here's my question: What do you absolutely NOT want for 10.0? You can answer this question however you want (story, class, race, systems, etc.). I'm curious.

I don't want legendaries in next expansion. At least not with gold.