Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

No, i'm not. But you're making the mistake of searching for evidence to your conclusion, instead of checking all evidence and then drawing a conclusion.

Okay, what evidence am I supposedly missing that points us away from a Dragon-based expansion? Again, this is all speculation, so I'm open to other theories. If you can come up with something equal to the amount of dragon stuff we're seeing, I'll consider it.

Oh, and throw this on the pile too;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blizzard_Legends

Are we really at the point where we are denying the fact Kul Tiran/Zandalari NPCs were a hint to BFA? Which they obviously were working on during Legion, and we know Blizzard adds hints to the next expansion during the previous?

Yes, we're at that point. It's a weird flex to be sure. Some folks seem to believe that a hint is only a hint if you 100% know it's a hint.

[therumblings]

There are a ton of hints toward a Dragon expansion, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's for 10.0. I think it's a safe bet though.

[Syegfryed]

Legion had a ton of dragon content, from Ysera to the Blues to the introduction of a whole new dragon brood.
We also learnt that the Twillights are revitalized.
In BfA the dragons became relevant again, the dragon isles got mentioned by name for the first time and we learnt that Wrathion is searching for them.
In Exploring Azeroth:Kalimdor the isles got referenced once more.
Ysera had her whole death arc in Shadowlands.
Furthermore we have an encrypted green dragon mount datamined, which sparked the whole hyperfixation on dragons in the first place, and at this point is absolutely the next deluxe edition mount.

Dragons are a theme that's being set up left and right.
You'd have to be completely blind not to see it.

in BfA we had many dragons in the isle expeditious, twilight dragons and black dragons coming back with a considerable force, apparently even a chromatic dragon was seen.

In some quests of the twilight highlands there was twilight drakes whelps flying out of grim batol, then we got all the stuff with Vexiona

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I'm not entirely sure what model that is, but it's either from the MoP Zandalari or it was replaced with BfA. There was no new Zandalari model in Legion and they thus couldn't have used it either. They did have specific Zandalari models already, though. So, yeah, copium. On your end. Especially since the Kul Tirans where just using old assets that don't even look similar to the BfA stuff.

It was a updated version from the mop yes, not the one used for the ones in bfa, but they were not the same.

And they were 100% blatantly hints, they made no sense to be there, especially together.

[therumblings]

The biggest hint we have now is the datamined dragon mount thingy which might be the deluxe edition mount, other than that we will probably not realize what the real "hints" were until the expansion is revealed.

[huth]

Okay, what evidence am I supposedly missing that points us away from a Dragon-based expansion? Again, this is all speculation, so I'm open to other theories. If you can come up with something equal to the amount of dragon stuff we're seeing, I'll consider it.

It's about your fundamental approach. Not what ultimately comes of it. Also, the claim that you're open to other theories is hogwash. You keep dismissing them out of hand.

Not sure what you think a reprint of books proves. That could easily be a purely economic decision.

[Teriz]

It's about your fundamental approach. Not what ultimately comes of it. Also, the claim that you're open to other theories is hogwash. You keep dismissing them out of hand.

Okay, so I'm openly asking you to give me some alternatives, and you refuse to give them to me because you think I'm somehow lying?

Okay.

Not sure what you think a reprint of books proves. That could easily be a purely economic decision.

Yes, a series of dragon book reprints to capitalize on WoW's upcoming dragon-based expansion. In such a scenario, Blizzard could be thinking that WoW fans might want to read up on old dragon lore to prepare them for the upcoming expansion.

Makes sense, since the first book is scheduled for re-release a week after the next expansion's announcement.

[Raetary]

Not sure what you think a reprint of books proves. That could easily be a purely economic decision.

It's not the reprint itself that's relevant, but that every single book that's being reprinted is is about dragons and the cataclysm.

[Teriz]

BTW, here's an Endgadget article that came about a month before Mists of Pandaria's announcement. It discusses possible future expansion locations. Those locations were Pandaria, Broken Isles, and Undermine. We got 2 out of 3 so far.

https://www.engadget.com/2011-08-07-...-pandaria.html

[huth]

Okay, so I'm openly asking you to give me some alternatives, and you refuse to give them to me because you think I'm somehow lying?

No, because your fundamental approach to the matter is incorrect. It isn't about what your conclusion is. It's about how you got there.

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It's not the reprint itself that's relevant, but that every single book that's being reprinted is is about dragons and the cataclysm.

That's mostly because the vast majority of them are. If they excluded the ones with dragons or cataclysm, they'd only have the most recent ones mostly.

[Thenatural]

I flew around a bit of the WoD zones last night on my way to the timewalking vendor.

This game needs a grounded expansion with big fantasy zones. Remember inns? Inns? I remember.

Dragons, tinkers, borrowed power, I don't care. Just give me grounded WoW.

Also, this might be controversial, but I don't think legion scratched that itch at all. I think those zones were congested and claustrophobic and missed the mark in terms of what we've seen WoW offer.

Zerith mortis should be the template for all future zones. No crazy clusters of enemies, it feels expansive, it has lost of cool environmental storytelling, it have areas that feel seamlessly distinct without feeling abrupt or out-of-place, the mobs are interesting and cool, the music is great and comfy, the quests are cool and find the perfect middle-ground between nu-wow and more classically designed quests.

[Nightshade711]

It's not the reprint itself that's relevant, but that every single book that's being reprinted is is about dragons and the cataclysm.

Also worth noting that the audio books for the reprints have different narrators than the original releases. (At least for Dawn of the Aspects)

[Ielenia]

https://i.redd.it/lk1gpvxzki1x.jpg

From June 6, 2016. BFA was announced on November 3, 2017.

Thread where it's discussed;
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...as_isles_hint/

One of many examples.

Again, confirmation bias.

Because it could very well just be a nod to those kingdoms, considering that area is a shipwreck area and those two races are known for being seafaring-focused.

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Read the thread I linked to. The poster correctly predicted/speculated that the next expansion was going to involve Kul'tirans and Zandalari from that picture over a year before BFA was announced.

Again, that is confirmation bias. There was a lot in Legion that could have pointed out to other possible expansion ideas.

Uh, the point I'm making is that Blizzard leaves hints of future content in their games.

And this point you're trying to push is confirmed false. It's nothing but fallacies of confirmation bias and "counting hits, ignoring misses".

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You do know that all of that is irrelevant right?

Again, "counting the hits, ignoring the misses". Nothing but fallacies from you.

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I want additional stories ontop of a complete one. I'm not asking for 3 raids to be released at once, that's unreasonable. I'm asking for the x.0 story to be comprehensive, thought out with a logical beginning and an end so it doesn't get scuffed in translation like it always does.

I don't. I want the expansion's overarching story to last through the entire expansion. I don't wan the entire expansion's story to be done in the very first X.0 patch and then just have "filler stories" until the next expansion is released.

[Teriz]

No, because your fundamental approach to the matter is incorrect. It isn't about what your conclusion is. It's about how you got there.

What does that have to do with you giving me alternative clues to a dragon expansion?

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Again, confirmation bias.

Because it could very well just be a nod to those kingdoms, considering that area is a shipwreck area and those two races are known for being seafaring-focused.

Yeah, two sea faring races who we have never seen together, and who just happen to be the main focus of the following expansion………

Again, "counting the hits, ignoring the misses". Nothing but fallacies from you.

People misreading the tea leaves doesn’t negate the fact that Blizzard is clearly dropping hints for future content.

[huth]

What does that have to do with you giving me alternative clues to a dragon expansion?

Why should i do that when you refuse to properly engage the clues available? That's what. Giving you evidence is a waste of time because you can't properly process that evidence. You need to fix that first.

[Teriz]

Why should i do that when you refuse to properly engage the clues available? That's what. Giving you evidence is a waste of time because you can't properly process that evidence. You need to fix that first.

What alternate clues have I missed? You can’t make claims like this and not provide any evidence. I’m perfectly willing to stack whatever alternatives you’re talking about against Dragon and Undermine hints and see what we come up with.

[Santandame]

We are now at the point where people are arguing against the extremely obvious amd unanimously well known hint towards Kul Tiras and Zandalar during Legion, just because Teriz has used it as a point of speculation.

Yet many will have you believe that Teriz is the problem in this thread. Absolute madness. Low hanging fruit comes to mind.

Back to the topic at hand. Dragons are the absolute safe bet to play a prominent role in the next expansion due to a magnitude of hints. To deny so is just to be contrarian, nothing else.

The only other hints we have besides Dragons are Undermine, world revamp and to a lesser degree, Lordaeron and Quel'thalas - which would fit in with a world revamp expansion. As would Dragons and Undermine(Cataclysm 2.0).

Face it, we are getting Cataclysm 2.0, but focusing on rebuilding, change and progression as opposed to destruction and annihilation.

Based off words from Ion himself, we will not be getting a cosmic expansion - which rules out Lifelands, other Zereth's, K'Aresh etc.

The only clear hints in Shadowlands, combined with word from Blizzard devs are that we are very likely getting World Revamp/Cataclysm 2.0(Rebuilding, not destruction). There is nothing else that comes close.

The fact that we will be waiting until 2023 for the next expansion, alongside a Season 4 for Shadowlands should be enough to tell the most logical person that we are getting something bigger than usual. Nothing is bigger than a full world revamp.

[Varodoc]

I don't know if this forum is slower or less perceptive than the official one (I wasn't here at the time); but back then, 90% of the people on the official forums knew that the next expansion was Kul Tiras/Zandalar/South Seas based on the Azsuna hints.

I can't believe this forum couldn't figure it out! It was such an obvious hint! xD

[Teriz]

We are now at the point where people are arguing against the extremely obvious amd unanimously well known hint towards Kul Tiras and Zandalar during Legion, just because Teriz has used it as a point of speculation.

I don't know if this forum is slower or less perceptive than the official one (I wasn't here at the time); but back then, 90% of the people on the official forums knew that the next expansion was Kul Tiras/Zandalar/South Seas based on the Azsuna hints.

I can't believe this forum couldn't figure it out! It was such an obvious hint! xD

I suppose in a few years the history of that obvious hint will be revisioned to be a logical fallacy that I somehow created.

[Ersula]

We are now at the point where people are arguing against the extremely obvious amd unanimously well known hint towards Kul Tiras and Zandalar during Legion, just because Teriz has used it as a point of speculation.

So this is Teriz's alt he made when he was banned last week, yeah?

[Santandame]

Again, confirmation bias.

Because it could very well just be a nod to those kingdoms, considering that area is a shipwreck area and those two races are known for being seafaring-focused.

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Again, that is confirmation bias. There was a lot in Legion that could have pointed out to other possible expansion ideas.


And this point you're trying to push is confirmed false. It's nothing but fallacies of confirmation bias and "counting hits, ignoring misses".

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Again, "counting the hits, ignoring the misses". Nothing but fallacies from you.

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I don't. I want the expansion's overarching story to last through the entire expansion. I don't wan the entire expansion's story to be done in the very first X.0 patch and then just have "filler stories" until the next expansion is released.

Zandalari were never known mostly for their seafaring prowess prior to BfA. It was never something stated until BfA, in order to have them be the Horde foil to Kul Tirans.

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So this is Teriz's alt he made when he was banned last week, yeah?

You got me.