Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Luck4]

Those 2, including the faery dragon pet and celestial mog (emerald drake), are the reason why i think Life is gonna be a major theme alongside dragons.
They are too Lunar/Solar themed for it not to be, if we take them as direct hints.

After what is being datamined in 9.2.5, alongside previous hints, I'm not expecting to see Dragon Isles as the major plot, yet I can still see it as a patch or a couple of zones.

[KayRule]

BfA isn’t SL

Why not use cata for hints

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Especially when you add in the whisper and the recent focus on the eternal sun

Legion hints started in MoP.

Shadowlands hints started in Legion.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Ya, they seem to be pointing at something night/day themed to me, possibly Elfy. I think Elune being a robot is going to be a big deal, but if not, we will still have the Night Else getting their new home.

Also, the Phoenix has a red color waiting to be released somehow, that goes with our blue one, I believe according to Wowhead.

And let's not forget the description for the phoenix: "These brilliant blue birds burn brighter (and hotter) than their orange cousins, though the origin of both remains a mystery.". Meaning, we're in still in the "sun/warm/fire" theme, similar to the Furline mount.

[Teriz]

It would actually fit a Red Dragonflight forest zone pretty well, the cat itself is reminiscent of Alexstrasza to some extent.

Yup, beat me to it.

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BfA isn’t SL

Why not use cata for hints

Here's a hint for MoP that popped up in WotLK;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pan...andaren%20Monk.

[Grimbold21]

If it's Dragons and somehow related to the healing Azeroth schtick, then Earth Warden shamans is a must.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Three more weeks of speculation and we'll know people!

[Skildar]

Considering that we know its on Azeroth

Do you have a link to why that is a fact?

Because from what I remember, Ion just talked about how they acknowledge that cosmic conflicts and stories should also bear some beats on our ground to make them more interesting and that they will more appropriately address this next time. I don't recall him roght out delivering the news that next expansion would be on Azeroth soil.

Unfortunately I can't find the interview where he talked about this

[Nymrohd]

Crazy idea but with the needless mixing of themes we saw e.g. in BfA how about a Dragon Isles AND Underground expansion that let's us constantly look at Azeroth since we've pretty much been badly babysitting (to criminal negligence) for nearly two decades now.

Imagine the planet being HOLLOW. We get a large space inside the planet that is illuminated by the World Soul (because we need to get a selfie with the unborn planet goddess). The Dragon Isles would then be a number (I mean sure, probably five) islands floating in the large spherical empty space. They are still islands. Flying islands. Underground flying islands (the best kind).

[draugril]

unless I'm misremembering, Grove Warden was initially a store mount, and people got really, really mad since WoD had a fuckton of recolored mounts and nothing really special from raids. The previous three or so store mounts being WoD mobs and taxies really soured people enough that Blizzard put it on Archimonde.

If I recall, it was datamined and, since it didn’t have an obvious source like other dropped mounts, people assumed that it was a store mount. Then they overreacted. And patted themselves on the back for getting this “changed” when the source was revealed.

[Shadochi]

Yup, beat me to it.

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Here's a hint for MoP that popped up in WotLK;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pan...andaren%20Monk.

Genuine question when talking about Dragon hints, what expansion hasn't had Dragon hints? Even in WoD we hade the Time Lost Proto Drake and Wrathion showing up relating to the legendary questline (what I can remember off the top of my head). I hope we get them and there are out of place things in SL for them (not counting exile's reach) but dragons are a part of wow base lore and they pop up every expansion

[Nightshade711]

Come to think of it, did anything come of the Chromie death storyline?

Not just yet. Even though it was supposed to take place in early BfA canonically.

I was hoping for it to be teasing infinite dragonflight stuff but we've yet to see it.
Interested how they'll actually have the infinite dragonflight be created, now that the last old god is dead. (Unless Nozdormu has just been bottling everything up and just decides to crack next xpac)

[Darkarath]

Genuine question when talking about Dragon hints, what expansion hasn't had Dragon hints? Even in WoD we hade the Time Lost Proto Drake and Wrathion showing up relating to the legendary questline (what I can remember off the top of my head). I hope we get them and there are out of place things in SL for them (not counting exile's reach) but dragons are a part of wow base lore and they pop up every expansion

Every expansion pointed to various themes. Of course, when a new expansion is announced or something is datamined, is easier to identify those clues, but that does not invalidate the rest.

Plus they always had villains or loose ends from Warcraft 3. But not now.

When Ion announced Shadowlands he even joked about what loose ends were left: the Lich King, Bolvar. But now? It could truly be anything.

I know that we still have villains out there, the Light, the Void, etc. We know that the expansion will be on Azeroth (if for some reason that is not the case they are out of their minds), so honestly its the perfect chance for a world revamp, now that, as they say themselves, a new Warcraft chapter is beginning.

With a world revamp they can plant seeds for the influence of the 6 cosmic forces on Azeroth. I recall an interview at the end of BfA, I think that it was Danuser saying that now that all the Old Gods are (presumably) out of the picture, other forces will focus on our planet; and giving that clearly Azeroth its something special, all of them will want a piece of the cake:

- Yrel and the Naaru representing Light.
- Xal'athat and Azshara representing Void.
- The Dragons and Elune Life.
- The Titans could come back at any time representing Order.
- With the Titans could come back a different Sargeras representing Chaos.
- Denathrius is still out there and could have fled to Azeroth representing Death. Plus we do not know if the Primus is in our side yet.

The seeds of all these characters could grow through several expansions, it does not matter if they are presented at the same time or staggered. They could even apply the Covenant system to the 6 cosmic forces, and make it a system that last for several expansions.

[PhillyCheese]

Do you have a link to why that is a fact?

The reveal announcement says next adventure is on/in Azeroth.

[Izalla]

Genuine question when talking about Dragon hints, what expansion hasn't had Dragon hints? Even in WoD we hade the Time Lost Proto Drake and Wrathion showing up relating to the legendary questline (what I can remember off the top of my head). I hope we get them and there are out of place things in SL for them (not counting exile's reach) but dragons are a part of wow base lore and they pop up every expansion

Didn't Wrathion get cut from WoD? Like we know he was involved and we talked to people who saw or interacted with him, but we never actually saw him ourselves. And he got cut from Legion too with only a few of his followers showing up or something.

[Darkarath]

Didn't Wrathion get cut from WoD? Like we know he was involved and we talked to people who saw or interacted with him, but we never actually saw him ourselves. And he got cut from Legion too with only a few of his followers showing up or something.

Wrathion was involved in a questline in the Arakkoa zone if I recall correctly, he is mentioned in the journal of Admiral Taylor. Plus he could be seen in Khadghar's tower in 6.2. Also he worked with Kairoz to send Garrosh to Draenor. But yes, for sure he was more involved but they cut it, as in Legion, where if my memory serves me right he had a questline in Higmountain that did not make the cut.

[Santandame]

Genuine question when talking about Dragon hints, what expansion hasn't had Dragon hints? Even in WoD we hade the Time Lost Proto Drake and Wrathion showing up relating to the legendary questline (what I can remember off the top of my head). I hope we get them and there are out of place things in SL for them (not counting exile's reach) but dragons are a part of wow base lore and they pop up every expansion

The Time Lost Proto Drake in WoD was just a cool little nod/easter egg because the area it was found in was called the Time Lost Glade. Which is the point where Garrosh and Kairoz(Bronze Dragon) entered Draenor.

[Teriz]

Genuine question when talking about Dragon hints, what expansion hasn't had Dragon hints? Even in WoD we hade the Time Lost Proto Drake and Wrathion showing up relating to the legendary questline (what I can remember off the top of my head). I hope we get them and there are out of place things in SL for them (not counting exile's reach) but dragons are a part of wow base lore and they pop up every expansion

I think the crux of this is the mention that Wrathion is looking for the Dragon Isles, and that was the first time that land mass was mentioned in lore.

Everything else just sort of falls into place.

[Santandame]

Wrathion was involved in a questline in the Arakkoa zone if I recall correctly, he is mentioned in the journal of Admiral Taylor. Plus he could be seen in Khadghar's tower in 6.2. Also he worked with Kairoz to send Garrosh to Draenor. But yes, for sure he was more involved but they cut it, as in Legion, where if my memory serves me right he had a questline in Higmountain that did not make the cut.

Wrathion was also hanging out, outside Khadgar's tower in Talador during the conclusion of the legendary ring questline. He's watching the interaction with Khadgar, then he flies off in his whelp form when we spot him.

[Izalla]

Wrathion was involved in a questline in the Arakkoa zone if I recall correctly, he is mentioned in the journal of Admiral Taylor. Plus he could be seen in Khadghar's tower in 6.2. Also he worked with Kairoz to send Garrosh to Draenor. But yes, for sure he was more involved but they cut it, as in Legion, where if my memory serves me right he had a questline in Higmountain that did not make the cut.

I know he was mentioned in Admiral Taylor's journal and that he is the one who was behind everything leading to WoD, but I meant an actual appearance. I must have forgotten about the tower thing from 6.2 because I only remember references to him and his involvement and never an actual appearance of his NPC in the game.

And yeah he was supposed to be involved with the black dragon stuff but he got replaced by Ebonhorn. I might be conflating something from BFA with Legion but I swear I remember seeing one of his followers in a cave in Highmountain (or was it a dungeon?).

Anyway as to the original point of the comment I was originally replying to, there have indeed always been dragon things going on. It's more the sheer amount of dragon breadcrumbs being left right now that is causing the speculation. A dragon reference is one thing, even a handful of references, but we have a potential dragon related plot being introduced (Wrathion searching for the Dragon Isles) as well as the datamined dragon mount. That just causes every dragon reference or appearance to be fuel for that fire. I think at this point it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when. Are dragons/Dragon Isles next? Probably, but they could easily still just be laying the groundwork for when they do become relevant. It's been a few expacs now though and that's how things have gone lately (build up in the background for a couple expacs before being used). I think the main thing here is the datamined mount. The fact that it seems to be a green dragon is the only thing that kinda makes things iffy, because green dragon could be related to Emerald Dream related stuff, whereas a red or black dragon would be a dead giveaway. I don't think it will be "Lifelands" though, or rather I hope it is not. But a revamp/nature growth and healed Azeroth scenario makes me happy.

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Wrathion was also hanging out, outside Khadgar's tower in Talador during the conclusion of the legendary ring questline. He's watching the interaction with Khadgar, then he flies off in his whelp form when we spot him.

Oooooh okay yeah that does sound familiar. The whelp flying away part specifically.

[Calfredd]

We're not 100% on that either, though. LivingWorld could be an internal name for adding more flourishes and structure to things like weather, day/night cycles, etc. that influence perhaps mob spawns, events, etc. It's not necessarily guaranteed to be a major feature, though it could be.



Come to think of it, did anything come of the Chromie death storyline?

Not just yet. Even though it was supposed to take place in early BfA canonically.

I was hoping for it to be teasing infinite dragonflight stuff but we've yet to see it.
Interested how they'll actually have the infinite dragonflight be created, now that the last old god is dead. (Unless Nozdormu has just been bottling everything up and just decides to crack next xpac)

The only thing I can remember are the theories that the one behind wanting Chromie dead were either Chromie herself a la her own version of Murozond, or the player themselves because of the item you can some times get: https://www.wowhead.com/item=151761/scribbled-ravings

"The handwriting on the scroll is jagged and frantic, yet strangely familiar."

kill the dragon
kill the dragon
kill the
DRAGON

it's not a gnome, it's a DRAGON

not even a good dragon

SLAY THE DRAGON

crossed the timeways one too many times, didn't you? made a few enemies? maybe caused a paradox you couldn't reconcile?

the demons, the elementals, the humans and orcs... they're all on MY SIDE NOT YOURS

NOW YOU'VE GONE AND DONE IT, WHELP

But again, these were just theories and not anything definitive.