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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    I'm up for new questlines, but the timelines are so fucked up, not even Nozdormu can unentangle them. They need to make permanent changes. I know they don't like the idea, but it's not like that stuff will go missing. We already have two versions of Classic WoW. So time to do some magic.

    As for the Horde and the Alliance. the High King really is a bad idea. It defeats the purpose of an Alliance. But the Horde has always had a Warchif. It's how it was formed.
    If I were Danuser i would commit suici...err I mean introduce a new young Orc that isn't a troublemaker like young Garrosh. I would make him very charismatic and have him slowly gain popularity both IRL and ingame. They could become a new Warchief who abolishes the council. And as subversion to the tired old tropes, make them actually be a phenomenal leader.
    Now that Vanilla can be accessed at any time I think they will just shove everything on EK/Kalimdor into a "Cata" phase and make new maps, which carry over select zones from BFA-SL that got touched up (Arathi, Darkshore, Silithus, now Tirisfal... coincidence that it's 2/2?).

    Like, there is no way they can keep the existing loading screens. Gallywix is whatever, but SYLVANAS? New players won't even know who she is, especially if they don't make Shadowlands mandatory leveling for noobs. Which I think is what will happen as it has no necessary plot hook and is disconnected from Azeroth. Another point on a new leveling questline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyCheese View Post
    Now that Vanilla can be accessed at any time I think they will just shove everything on EK/Kalimdor into a Cata phase and make new maps, which carry over select zones from BFA-SL that got touched up (Arathi, Darkshore, Silithus, now Tirisfal).

    Like, there is no way they can keep the existing loading screens. Gallywix is whatever, but SYLVANAS? New players won't even know who she is, especially if they don't make Shadowlands mandatory leveling for noobs. Which I think is what will happen as it has no necessary plot hook and is disconnected from Azeroth. Another point on a new leveling questline.
    Oh absolutely they need new Loading Screens. Granted, whichever leveling path they pick will be super weird anyway due to random characters being there who later aren't. BUT for current time, as in post-SL.

    Kalimdor still has both Gallywix and Vol'Jin on them. EK has freakin Varian, along with Sylvanas on. Yep, that needs to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Oh absolutely they need new Loading Screens. Granted, whichever leveling path they pick will be super weird anyway due to random characters being there who later aren't. BUT for current time, as in post-SL.

    Kalimdor still has both Gallywix and Vol'Jin on them. EK has freakin Varian, along with Sylvanas on. Yep, that needs to change.
    I mean I think they are going to walk back how many lore characters are on the new landmasses this time. They probably felt that Shadowlands NEEDED characters like Baine and Jaina even if they didn't do anything because of the alien feeling, but if it's Dragon Isles or different islands scattered all over there's no need for Thrall to be there instead of Khadgar and the aspects.

    So the leaders will stay in their zones like olden days. Also a way to update the "kill the warchiefs" quests!

    If it really is Dragon Isles I can see only Jaina going but technically the leader of Kul Tiras is Lady Proudmoore while she's away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    And Tauren are already further away from Humanoid than Tuskarr.
    they aren't, but minotaurs are more appealing than derp walrus people.

    Hell even taurens are not that popular either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    The thing I look at when it comes to the Mechagnomes is what concept they bring to the table, as opposed to the gnomes that are playable since the game's launch. The original gnomes bring a theme of engineering, mechanical prowess and ingenuity with them, which is the same theme that Mechagnomes have. Mechagnome should've been a customization option for standard gnomes, with different limbs being replaced by robotic parts. It absolutely makes sense for the gnomes we already have.
    Same for maghar orcs.

    Blizzard just ruined the "allied race/subrace" thing with their tentative of monetization.

    This is why I think that the Mechagnomes are one of the worst additions to the game, who could've been implemented as a customization option for gnomes and nobody would tell the difference. It is simply lazy to implement races like this.
    That is basically the same for HM taurens and LF draenei, but its blizzard, they had to sell as different races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    they aren't, but minotaurs are more appealing than derp walrus people.

    Hell even taurens are not that popular either
    Do you really want to appeal to popularity for your arguments? Cause then we'd just be left with different flavors of elves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Oh absolutely they need new Loading Screens. Granted, whichever leveling path they pick will be super weird anyway due to random characters being there who later aren't. BUT for current time, as in post-SL.

    Kalimdor still has both Gallywix and Vol'Jin on them. EK has freakin Varian, along with Sylvanas on. Yep, that needs to change.
    i hope they just go back to use the general portray of races and not the leaders anymore

    fuck the current leaders, they are among the worst. i don't want calia in the loadscreen thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Do you really want to appeal to popularity for your arguments? Cause then we'd just be left with different flavors of elves
    you mean like the last two they put in? yeaaaah

    If they rly didn't care for the generic appeal, other races would be already in the game long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    they aren't, but minotaurs are more appealing than derp walrus people.

    Hell even taurens are not that popular either
    They are. Tauren have hooves and less human body builds than Tuskarr.

    And if anything, we need less humanoid races anyway, not more. We already have enough of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    They are. Tauren have hooves and less human body builds than Tuskarr.

    And if anything, we need less humanoid races anyway, not more. We already have enough of those.
    If the popularity of Zandalari and Void Elves are any indication, people much prefer humanoids. Have you heard of a game called XIV? Aesthetically, most of the races are humans with different headbands on (cat, rabbit etc) and they are beloved.

    I would love things like Naga but I'm not sure they would be as popular as, say, a Naga with legs.

    All things considered however, I think Forsaken will get an upright customization that will make them very popular, as they are thinner "more normal" looking than regular human males. Calia gives them a kingdom, upright makes them look more normal, boom: Horde has a REAL human stand-in instead of Blood Elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    They are. Tauren have hooves and less human body builds than Tuskarr.
    Again, taurens are still minotaurs, immensely more popular in fantasy than derp walrus people.

    And if anything, we need less humanoid races anyway, not more. We already have enough of those.
    We do need those, there is plenty of options, will we ever get then? not rly, not if they do not have an appealing look, that is the sad truth.

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    If we do dragons I’m seeing new torghast being chromie sending us to other times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    If we do dragons I’m seeing new torghast being chromie sending us to other times
    I'm not sure the new system(s) will be gameplay focused. Everything but M+ has been a miss, they may be better off just doing housing.

    This game is trending towards less gameplay focus. Fans seem to care less and less about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Again, taurens are still minotaurs, immensely more popular in fantasy than derp walrus people.
    No, they're not. The Minotaurus was human (not humanoid) with a bullhead. Also, [citation needed].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    If we do dragons I’m seeing new torghast being chromie sending us to other times
    I would love something like that, where every "floor" is a different biome or time. Not like torghast which was always the same spiky spikes with a touch of spikes on the sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyCheese View Post
    I'm not sure the new system(s) will be gameplay focused. Everything but M+ has been a miss, they may be better off just doing housing.

    This game is trending towards less gameplay focus. Fans seem to care less and less about it.
    On the contrary I would say the problem with Torghast and Islands before it was that it gave tangible benefits to the core gameplay experience, rather than being an extraneous activity on the side.

    The next Torghast equivalent just needs to provide ample cosmetics, and no player power that can be taken into raids, M+ or PvP.
    At that point it also has the benefit of not needing to be designed as an activity everyone is expected to do, which in turn means it can be tuned quite high, giving players a more meaty challenge that still gives commensurate rewards.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    i give two shits about what became and what don't became playable, as long isn't elves.

    Im just saying isn't going to happen. Wow races are close to humanoid as possible, the females look "hot and appealing", this is how they do stuff, and walrus derp-looking people will not gonna make it, when they can make another elf.
    Your opinion is as strong as everyone else. Your word is not a fact. Stop being so hostile on every person who is dissagreeing with you.

    Walrus people can happen like orges or what ever.

    Its funny when gil goblins are still morw derpy then tuskar.
    Funny how opinions work right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    On the contrary I would say the problem with Torghast and Islands before it was that it gave tangible benefits to the core gameplay experience, rather than being an extraneous activity on the side.

    The next Torghast equivalent just needs to provide ample cosmetics, and no player power that can be taken into raids, M+ or PvP.
    At that point it also has the benefit of not needing to be designed as an activity everyone is expected to do, which in turn means it can be tuned quite high, giving players a more meaty challenge that still gives commensurate rewards.
    I think Torghast would be fine if it gave the same power options as M+ and Raiding (at comparable difficulties), rather than exclusive ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    No, they're not. The Minotaurus was human (not humanoid) with a bullhead. Also, [citation needed].
    I would have a hard time if I have to rp as a minotaur when playing tauren. My god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    No, they're not. The Minotaurus was human (not humanoid) with a bullhead. Also, [citation needed].
    there is different representations of a minotaur across media, and yes, they are very popular among many fantasy stories.

    Try to tell me how many stories feature walrus people and how much they are popular and we can talk later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Your opinion is as strong as everyone else. Your word is not a fact. Stop being so hostile on every person who is dissagreeing with you.

    Walrus people can happen like orges or what ever.

    Its funny when gil goblins are still morw derpy then tuskar.
    Funny how opinions work right?
    saying something will not going to happen is not being "hostile", you take the statement how you like it.

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    Torghast (as type of content, not tower of course) is not bad idea at all. It just need 3 things:

    - diverse environment, every 'wing' is completely different biome, so more Argus invasion/BfA islands, not evil tower take #5
    - being completely out of gearing/progression system (but not 'outside' game like let's say Death of Chromie - gear matters like in Legion Mage Tower)
    - LOT of cosmetic rewards (basically islands reward system).

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    Y'all have the wrong arguments. The real question you should be asking yourself is this:

    "Which race would have the most masculine dude-bro males and the most sexy waifu-able females?"

    That is what Blizzard will make next.

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