Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[PhillyCheese]

I feel like there's a lot of evidence that Blizzard is working on more character customization, be it in the form of allied races/subraces or just more customization for existing races. No pointers to which of the two, though.

There are some pretty big ID jumps in the character customization database tables that imply there's likely a lot of customization not currently released that was worked on before/at the same time as the customization for 9.1.5/9.2.0, so we might be seeing some of that in 10.0.

Did anything change with those in 9.2.5? I thought for sure we'd get more AR stuff there but maybe they are waiting to reveal it before putting it on PTR.

[Shadochi]

Is Ardenweald the zone with the least amount of souls from previous Azeroth adventurers we know of? I kind of remember least notable ones from there.

Could be related to Elune saying she sent the Nelf souls to her sister, meaning she can usually take the souls for herself and they don't go to the shadowlands

[Makorus]

Hopium overdrive for Ogres, even if they use the Kul Tiran skeletons.

Please

[PhillyCheese]

If they introduce a Drakonid race, I hope they do a re-model of these:

I'll be honest, these look shockingly close to Rexxar and the Female Gladiator's torsos, just with different arms and legs. Maybe that's what they will be used for?

And is that boobplate on the top middle? There's our female. Notice too how she(?) doesn't have beard tentacles like the others.

[huth]

Is Ardenweald the zone with the least amount of souls from previous Azeroth adventurers we know of? I kind of remember least notable ones from there.

Could be related to Elune saying she sent the Nelf souls to her sister, meaning she can usually take the souls for herself and they don't go to the shadowlands

Given the implication that the Whisps are dead Night Elves...

[PhillyCheese]

Is Ardenweald the zone with the least amount of souls from previous Azeroth adventurers we know of? I kind of remember least notable ones from there.

Could be related to Elune saying she sent the Nelf souls to her sister, meaning she can usually take the souls for herself and they don't go to the shadowlands

I think it's mostly because a lot of them turn into animals so we can't confirm if they are Azeroth races or not.

Technically the least amount is from Bastion because we only meet Uther and that Highmountain warbrave.

[Polybius]

Personally I am still holding out hope for an Ankoan AR. My disappointment was immeasurable when we got trashgnomes instead of amazing samurai fish.

Their glow in the dark skin is amazing and I keep forgetting about it. I hope we get a proper Nazjatar, or an underwater, xpac, what we got was a travesty.

[Vakir]

Hopium overdrive for Ogres, even if they use the Kul Tiran skeletons.

Please

Hell, I'd be fine if they use that skeleton if it means looking closer to Rexxar, who uses it as well, since I don't know if they'll drop actual Mok'nathal. He still is one of the best looking named characters out there.

As it is, the male Kul Tiran animations are exceptional minus their dance - the big problem is that 95% of the armor in the game ends up a stretched and warbled texture thanks to it meeting their belly. WoW armor just wasn't made for that kind of geometry.

[Fiercelord]

I'll be honest, these look shockingly close to Rexxar and the Female Gladiator's torsos, just with different arms and legs. Maybe that's what they will be used for?

And is that boobplate on the top middle? There's our female. Notice too how she(?) doesn't have beard tentacles like the others.

It would mean they would be an Allied Race if they use the existing model rig, which I hope not. A brand new race with new starting zone would be cool and refreshing.
Love the female version (It's from Official Hearthstone). I can imagine so many cool customization options!

[PhillyCheese]

It would mean they will be an Allied Race if they use the existing model rig, which I hope not. A brand new race with new starting zone would be cool and refreshing.
Love the female version (It's from Official Hearthstone). I can imagine so many cool customization options!

If it uses different animations from Kul Tiran, has a starting zone, has a bazillion customizations etc I don't think anyone will call it an AR. Just means that the starting template for their body was Kul Tiran/Rexxar.

Cool to see an official female Drakonid as I think that puts them ahead of Dragonmen and Dragonkin, neither of which have women in game or in HS AFAIK. The same applies to many many requested races (even Sethrak/Jinyu unfortunately lack a female model despite there being women in Vol'dun/Nazjatar).

[Marlamin]

Did anything change with those in 9.2.5? I thought for sure we'd get more AR stuff there but maybe they are waiting to reveal it before putting it on PTR.

Nope, no customization changes whatsoever in 9.2.5.

[Starney]

Hopium overdrive for Ogres, even if they use the Kul Tiran skeletons.

Please

I agree! But I don't think it's necessary, Ogres use the same animations as moonkins so they don't even have to create them from scratch.

[Raetary]

Could be related to Elune saying she sent the Nelf souls to her sister, meaning she can usually take the souls for herself and they don't go to the shadowlands

Yeah, especially with wisps being a thing she definitely can directly influence the cycle to some capacity.

Perhaps Teldrassils massive influx of souls was just too many for her handle and she couldn't keep them from crossing the veil, so she (tried to) send them to Ardenweald instead.

[PhillyCheese]

Ogres in Exiles Reach, which is supposed to be Evergreen, use the WoD model and rig. I can't see those models being changed if they were included in the first round of post-BFA evergreen content for WoW.

Nope, no customization changes whatsoever in 9.2.5.

Hope this is because they are hiding them and not because we have to wait a year for them.

[huth]

Yeah, especially with wisps being a thing she definitely can directly influence the cycle to some capacity.

Perhaps Teldrassils massive influx of souls was just too many for her handle and she couldn't keep them from crossing the veil, so she (tried to) send them to Ardenweald instead.

She makes it pretty clear that she was deliberately sending them to Ardenweald and didn't have to because her sister asked for aid. She just had no idea what was actually happening in the Shadowlands, so it went awry.

[Foolicious]

Is Ardenweald the zone with the least amount of souls from previous Azeroth adventurers we know of? I kind of remember least notable ones from there.

Could be related to Elune saying she sent the Nelf souls to her sister, meaning she can usually take the souls for herself and they don't go to the shadowlands

I think thats the case and it shouldn't be suprising. Ardenweald is mostly reserved for nature spirits, gods and halfgods that get reborn and return to their world eventually. People like the nightelfs that are very nature alligned should end up there as well, but the most people we meet are the neither of them.
We meet a lof of loa for example.

I don't know if elune can bypass the arbiter or if she knew the nightelfs would end up in ardenweald naturally. The ysera cinematic gives me personally the impression she can send souls directly to ardenweald but who knows...

[PhillyCheese]

I don't know if elune can bypass the arbiter or if she knew the nightelfs would end up in ardenweald naturally. The ysera cinematic gives me personally the impression she can send souls directly to ardenweald but who knows...

9.1 makes it pretty clear she can bypass the Arbiter due to her link with the Winter Queen: after that quest, Primus confirms the two sisters connect the "Lifelands" and the Shadowlands in a special way.

If Arbiter was awake they likely would've gone to Ardenweald as natural spirits go there anyway. If Arbiter was asleep they would've went to the Maw. We don't know how Wisps work (not even the Brokers do) so unsure as to what would've happened if Elune made them into wisps into of sending them to SL... but to her it was more important to send them to help Ardenweald than it was to rezz them back into being ghost orb warriors. (Even though some of them do that in the Battle for Teldrassil)

[huth]

9.1 makes it pretty clear she can bypass the Arbiter due to her link with the Winter Queen: after that quest, Primus confirms the two sisters connect the "Lifelands" and the Shadowlands in a special way.

If Arbiter was awake they likely would've gone to Ardenweald as natural spirits go there anyway. If Arbiter was asleep they would've went to the Maw. We don't know how Wisps work (not even the Brokers do) so unsure as to what would've happened if Elune made them into wisps into of sending them to SL... but to her it was more important to send them to help Ardenweald than it was to rezz them back into being ghost orb warriors. (Even though some of them do that in the Battle for Teldrassil)

Well, they did go to the Maw.

[AngerFork]

Nope, no customization changes whatsoever in 9.2.5.

Interesting. Seeing this makes me think a new race (allied or otherwise) coming in 10.0 is less likely than I'd previously thought, especially with the seeming lack of other racial pieces (db updates, etc) alongside it. Instead, we may be looking at a second straight expansion where our racial updates are instead new customizations for current races. Not that it's good or bad if so, will be curious to see what these customizations might encompass.

We'll know in just over 3 weeks.

[Fiercelord]

I wish they would just hire 1 person to focus on customization for all things. Not the armor sets, but minor stuff like that cool glasses we got. The main focus would be customization and listening to the community (which customizations are most wanted aka human long beards, etc.)