Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hellspawn]

I think it's less of a shame and more pretty obvious that Furbolgs and Ogres would be so drastically underplayed that the effort to make them playable would be the equivalent of pissing in the wind. I think Furbolg would be cool and would probably make one but there are so many things like this that WoW turbonerds think are a no brainer e.g. Ogres but in reality make literally 0 sense to add.

I see three races they could do for Alliance (that are nature focused):
Night Elf Dryards with two legs (using SL Dryard rig)
Green Dragons
Botani

[Catastrophy349]

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[logintime]

I think it's less of a shame and more pretty obvious that Furbolgs and Ogres would be so drastically underplayed that the effort to make them playable would be the equivalent of pissing in the wind. I think Furbolg would be cool and would probably make one but there are so many things like this that WoW turbonerds think are a no brainer e.g. Ogres but in reality make literally 0 sense to add.

That's honestly where either a) Blizz would ideally improve their models enough to drive people to play them, or more likely b) the allied race system would allow less aesthetically pleasing races like Ogres or Furbolgs to be added. When they initially announced allied races, I was hoping that B would be the case, but instead they mostly stuck to creating little more than recolors of already-extant playable races.

[Nokster10]

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[jzhbee]

Did you finish your shift already at blizzard?

He needs to change his name to "Cataclysm349" so I can get hype for the dream of Cata Classic.
Please, Catastrophy, can you confirm for me it'll happen?

[Three Faced Goddess]

the jailer is back!

Don't be silly! That's his twin brother Bozaal coming to Azeroth to avenge his brother.

[GabrielKnight]

Since a third faction would be quite a mess, what would you think about a faction removal?

I'm a huge fan of the whole faction drama, since the first time I played Warcraft I. Battle for Azeroth pumped me to no end, and it still stands as my favorite expansion of all times (I know, don't bully me please). Yet, at this point it seems like a lot of people don't care about it, including the developers, since they can't seem to be able to finish a war story properly. Not to mention, it applies a lot of restrictions when it comes to new races, as many people here pointed out.

So, what about this: keep the Alliance and Horde for lore reasons, but let the players choose their allies just by reputation. Imagine the endless posibilities, people would practically be able to make their own game. They could add specific buffs and penalties for each combination of allies in order to balance things out, or even add a nice buff for those who decide to be outlaws and be in war with everyone. There could be specific quests for each sub faction, even for the ones who decide to be pariahs.

It would be tricky, but I think it can be pulled off.

[Shadochi]

ah damn I got hyped that the unreachable part of tirisfal might get updated or we get Northern Lordaeron.

Tho I assume we will never get Norther Lordaeron (the closed off area with nothing atm) unless they bring the ghostlands to the same map

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Since a third faction would be quite a mess, what would you think about a faction removal?

I'm a huge fan of the whole faction drama, since the first time I played Warcraft I. Battle for Azeroth pumped me to no end, and it still stands as my favorite expansion of all times (I know, don't bully me please). Yet, at this point it seems like a lot of people don't care about it, including the developers, since they can't seem to be able to finish a war story properly. Not to mention, it applies a lot of restrictions when it comes to new races, as many people here pointed out.

So, what about this: keep the Alliance and Horde for lore reasons, but let the players choose their allies just by reputation. Imagine the endless posibilities, people would practically be able to make their own game. They could add specific buffs and penalties for each combination of allies in order to balance things out, or even add a nice buff for those who decide to be outlaws and be in war with everyone. There could be specific quests for each sub faction, even for the ones who decide to be pariahs.

It would be tricky, but I think it can be pulled off.

If they add complete cross faction gameplay in 10.0 then we could easily get third, fourth faction...

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Since a third faction would be quite a mess, what would you think about a faction removal?

I'm a huge fan of the whole faction drama, since the first time I played Warcraft I. Battle for Azeroth pumped me to no end, and it still stands as my favorite expansion of all times (I know, don't bully me please). Yet, at this point it seems like a lot of people don't care about it, including the developers, since they can't seem to be able to finish a war story properly. Not to mention, it applies a lot of restrictions when it comes to new races, as many people here pointed out.

So, what about this: keep the Alliance and Horde for lore reasons, but let the players choose their allies just by reputation. Imagine the endless posibilities, people would practically be able to make their own game. They could add specific buffs and penalties for each combination of allies in order to balance things out, or even add a nice buff for those who decide to be outlaws and be in war with everyone. There could be specific quests for each sub faction, even for the ones who decide to be pariahs.

It would be tricky, but I think it can be pulled off.

I don't think a third faction would "be quite a mess" tbh.

The problem is thinking a third faction should operate the same way that the Alliance/Horde dichotomy works, when one of the main appeals of a Third Faction is allowing us to opt out of the ubiquitousness of the faction conflict. A third Faction could be a good way to reflect the in universe organizations that do not care about the Faction Conflict, so basically, a coalition of Class Orders not unlike the Armies of Legionfall.

If you take into consideration the possibility of Cross Faction Guilds, the only issue a Neutral third faction would need to surmount is the Faction locked quest in older expansions. Ideally, I'd like our character as a neutral/independent player where you basically get to do all the quests without a faction tag, and in the places where that is Story Dependent, add an abridged version of such quests, and an overall gameplay experience that's more "Threads of Fate" like.

For example, BfA could see the PC as part of an independent merchant vessel.

But going forward, trying to keep the exclusively faction dependent content to a minimum, or developing a comparable Neutral storyline.

[Catastrophy349]

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[Catastrophy349]

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[DiscipleofCazicThule]

Yeah I think allied race for Ogres would be the best way to do it. Only problem is no other playable skeletons really come close to what they would need to work.

Maybe Kul Tiran? Theyre one of only three I never bothered with unlocking cause the appeal is 0 to me so I have no fram of reference for how their movement feels.

Honestly I wish they would do more with Allied Races, much rather never have full races like BE/Draenei again in exchange for 4 or 6 allied races in an expansion. I think you get much more ability to customize what you as a player want to be with an Allied Race that has fewer customization options but is able to give you that avenue for a less popular aesthetic or culture than you do with much more expansive customization but if you dont like the aesthetic or culture in the first place youre fucked for four years.

I really hope they go that way with Allied Races moving forward. Use it to release races without having to worry about making a whole city that'll be empty in a week for them. Goblins, Worgen, and on could have worked as Allied Races, where we get an intro questline that explains why they join and then just add them to the major cities after they become members.

Also, on the subject of races, I would love for us to get a fungus or plant race. It seems like on the biggest tropes left that haven't joined a faction. (And give Ogres, please.)

[Three Faced Goddess]

I wish they would just hire 1 person to focus on customization for all things. Not the armor sets, but minor stuff like that cool glasses we got. The main focus would be customization and listening to the community (which customizations are most wanted aka human long beards, etc.)

Me too. I loved seeing all the new customization options datamined for Shadowlands. I just wished we got more and the categories were more consistent. You can't tell me Blood Elves wouldn't wear makeup or have tattoos or that trolls don't have facial hair. Certain categories should be baseline for every race. I'd like to see face shapes for the other races.

[AngerFork]

Since a third faction would be quite a mess, what would you think about a faction removal?

I'm a huge fan of the whole faction drama, since the first time I played Warcraft I. Battle for Azeroth pumped me to no end, and it still stands as my favorite expansion of all times (I know, don't bully me please). Yet, at this point it seems like a lot of people don't care about it, including the developers, since they can't seem to be able to finish a war story properly. Not to mention, it applies a lot of restrictions when it comes to new races, as many people here pointed out.

So, what about this: keep the Alliance and Horde for lore reasons, but let the players choose their allies just by reputation. Imagine the endless posibilities, people would practically be able to make their own game. They could add specific buffs and penalties for each combination of allies in order to balance things out, or even add a nice buff for those who decide to be outlaws and be in war with everyone. There could be specific quests for each sub faction, even for the ones who decide to be pariahs.

It would be tricky, but I think it can be pulled off.

I feel like that's more trouble than it would be worth, at least the reputation part. This would in essence be telling people that if they find another guild to join on the opposite faction, they have to build up rep in order to run with that guild. Why not just go with the unlocking of Cross Faction play as we're seeing in 9.2.5?

As for a third faction, I'm not sure I'd want to split the player base with one, but I could easily see adding one into the story. My current main fan expansion idea actually involves a third faction coming together after realizing that not having allies with the Alliance & Horde around means you can be destroyed by the might of either faction at any time.

[Three Faced Goddess]

More than likely more cosmetics and items for Hunters. They almost always get the rewards from DR quests.

Or it could reward customization options (Red eyes and undead skin) to finally be able to look like one.

[Revamp Man]

with how cross faction is going to work just in 9.2.5 they could add 50 factions and it wouldnt matter really

[Syegfryed]

Since a third faction would be quite a mess, what would you think about a faction removal?

I'm a huge fan of the whole faction drama, since the first time I played Warcraft I. Battle for Azeroth pumped me to no end, and it still stands as my favorite expansion of all times (I know, don't bully me please). Yet, at this point it seems like a lot of people don't care about it, including the developers, since they can't seem to be able to finish a war story properly. Not to mention, it applies a lot of restrictions when it comes to new races, as many people here pointed out.

So, what about this: keep the Alliance and Horde for lore reasons, but let the players choose their allies just by reputation. Imagine the endless posibilities, people would practically be able to make their own game. They could add specific buffs and penalties for each combination of allies in order to balance things out, or even add a nice buff for those who decide to be outlaws and be in war with everyone. There could be specific quests for each sub faction, even for the ones who decide to be pariahs.

It would be tricky, but I think it can be pulled off.

it would be awful, it would bring BS things like undeads joining the alliance and night elves joining the horde, this isn't "endless possibilities" its immersion breaking and would ruin even more the already established franchise.

With how the game is going, they will prob make guilds and parties free to all, but let the factions alone, like it works in ESO.

In ESO you have the 3 factions and the races on then, you can't mix, but in a guild you can be with anyone you want.

[Chickat]

Give the housing idea a rest, it won't work in WoW.

It works in every other MMO. it would be incredibly easy to maintain once implemented, and it adds another layer of collecting for collectors. It's 100% a good idea. As long as it's an evergreen feature that is built on and maintained in subsequent expansions.

[AngerFork]

It works in every other MMO. it would be incredibly easy to maintain once implemented, and it adds another layer of collecting for collectors. It's 100% a good idea. As long as it's an evergreen feature that is built on and maintained in subsequent expansions.

Agreed. Housing is one of those features that has a massive up front cost, but afterwards is largely maintainable through simply making & adding new objects you may well be using in the world anyhow. It would give a ton of new collectible items to the game which aren't simply Mounts/Pets/Transmog/Toys, which means new rewards to incentivize content that isn't related to player power, something WoW really could use more of.

[Teriz]

Or it could reward customization options (Red eyes and undead skin) to finally be able to look like one.

Sure, but again I would be surprised if it wasn’t limited to the Hunter class, since they get most Dark Ranger stuff.

I do wonder what they’ll get.