Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[GabrielKnight]

If you want housing in WoW, you can apply the LotrO system just fine. It was separated by instanced neighborhood with many houses in there, and the decoration was mostly "place this item there to show it off". Kinda like Archaeology worked in WoD, Legion, and BfA. So yes, it can be done, even with this limited engine.

[Zulggun]

And would that be such a bad thing? Side content is what you entertain yourself with, between patches. Otherwise, you unsub. Just look at what WoW streamers do when they aren't streaming WoW. Asmon spent hours doing dungeons and lottery in the Gold Saucer. And there was a pretty long period of time when all he did was breed racing chocobos.

Shit, it isn't exclusive to multiplayer games either. Gwent in Witcher 3 got so popular it got its own game.
Just because the core gameplay is griefing low-level players, and grinding mythic+, it does not mean that's all it can or should be.

I dont know why so many people want every mmo to be the same, have same features, be homogenized like this. You have things in other game? Enjoy them there, why you have to have them in every other game you play?
Besides, housing is not "make or break" for a game. We have FF which is very popular now (tho arguably not BECAUSE of housing) and you have Wildstar where housing was well recived but game itself failed horribly. For me it's too much of undertaking to risk. Fix the core game first, and THEN try gimmicks.

Also I cannot fathom Blizzard not abandoning housing after one expansion as they always do. Again, makes it even more of unnecessary risk.

[Wangming]

I dont know why so many people want every mmo to be the same, have same features, be homogenized like this. You have things in other game? Enjoy them there, why you have to have them in every other game you play?
Besides, housing is not "make or break" for a game. We have FF which is very popular now (tho arguably not BECAUSE of housing) and you have Wildstar where housing was well recived but game itself failed horribly. For me it's too much of undertaking to risk. Fix the core game first, and THEN try gimmicks.

Also I cannot fathom Blizzard not abandoning housing after one expansion as they always do. Again, makes it even more of unnecessary risk.

You are correct, homogenization is a problem. But there are trends and if you want to stay on top or at least near the top, you have to either set the trend or follow them. WoW does neither and this age the only unique thing they offer is a lawsuit by the government.

The uniqueness comes in how they implement it not in what.

[Zulggun]

You are correct, homogenization is a problem. But there are trends and if you want to stay on top or at least near the top, you have to either set the trend or follow them. WoW does neither and this age the only unique thing they offer is a lawsuit by the government.

The uniqueness comes in how they implement it not in what.

I'll give you that, if you look at it like this there is a lot of truth in that, I agree.
Still I think the chances for housing is slim at best. I'd be less surprised if we'd see old world revamp.

[Lady Atia]

Happy Tuesday everyone - let's hope we get a new juicy ptr build tonight, yes?

I was thinking about the upcoming season 4 raiding affix and was wondering how exactly that one would work. Will it be basically an extra difficulty level above Mythic, or a buff that you can (de)activate at the start similiar to season of mastery AQ40? Will they bother to boost lfr ilvl's up for catch-up gear, making all lfr wings viable for gearing up alts? I imagine you will be able to craft tier pieces from Castle Nathria and Sanctum loot too? What's with the Domination Shard system? Will they add new achievements or transmogs? Maybe a mount for Sire Denathrius, or for clearing all three raids with the affix? So many questions ...

Also I hope we will see some new mounts this build aswell as the confirmation that the season 4 M+ mount will be the blue deathwalker as that was the prettiest re-colour of the original three imo.

[Izalla]

I'd probably still be more interested in locking my character in a swimming pool by removing the ladder than decorating a house.

You can't even do this anymore, the sims are too smart to just let themselves die and will climb in and out of pools regardless of ladders. Now you gave to put walls or a fence around it so they can't climb out.

[draugril]

Trying to build customizeable housing in WoW's engine is like fitting penteract into a round hole.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind modular node-based housing, much like garrisons but on a more granular scale.

[Wangming]

I'll give you that, if you look at it like this there is a lot of truth in that, I agree.
Still I think the chances for housing is slim at best. I'd be less surprised if we'd see old world revamp.

Now THAT we definitely agree on. I think the most likely is a partial revamp. A bit more likely is a full revamp. A less likely but very awesome would be a profession revamp with a bonus housing feature.

But we will definitely get something very fanservice. My money is on a new class. But I'm hoping for playable naga and a full old world revamp.

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You can't even do this anymore, the sims are too smart to just let themselves die and will climb in and out of pools regardless of ladders. Now you gave to put walls or a fence around it so they can't climb out.

Boooo. The fun police struck again.

(And I still love your profile pick)

[Alanar]

You could say that for a lot of things in WoW. Without knowing how it would be implemented in the game, it is hard to claim it'd be out of place. Things like pet battles, Torghast, etc sound like pretty foreign concepts if you look at their feature sets, but if integrated into the game properly fit perfectly fine (and to an extent are actually fun).

Its more that we know a feature like that is HUGE and to make it fun and broad it just needs alot of optiions. Garrisons had the setup but ended up being extremely limited in so many ways. They told us we were free to place it for example.. it was probably cut in many corners, anyway.. it would cost so much time and the outcome would probably still feel dissappointed. I dont see it succeed if I have to be honest.

In so many ways.. this feature feels like: you think you want it, but not really.

[Zulggun]

I stopped betting on anything after bfa reveal. Save myself the disappointment.

[Sondrelk]

Happy Tuesday everyone - let's hope we get a new juicy ptr build tonight, yes?

I was thinking about the upcoming season 4 raiding affix and was wondering how exactly that one would work. Will it be basically an extra difficulty level above Mythic, or a buff that you can (de)activate at the start similiar to season of mastery AQ40? Will they bother to boost lfr ilvl's up for catch-up gear, making all lfr wings viable for gearing up alts? I imagine you will be able to craft tier pieces from Castle Nathria and Sanctum loot too? What's with the Domination Shard system? Will they add new achievements or transmogs? Maybe a mount for Sire Denathrius, or for clearing all three raids with the affix? So many questions ...

Also I hope we will see some new mounts this build aswell as the confirmation that the season 4 M+ mount will be the blue deathwalker as that was the prettiest re-colour of the original three imo.

[IMG]https://warcraftmounts.com/images/skins/deathelementalmount_blue.jpg[IMG]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see something similar to the WoD addition of all gear being upgradeable. They already have the framework in place with the M+ Valor upgrades, so I don't think it's a stretch to assume they could add something similar to raiding gear as well, in addition to possibly just giving a flat increase in ilvl to the higher tier of gear.

[Cosmic Janitor]

FWIW, I do think the player base does deserve housing if they want it.

I've never met a playerbase in any mmo that was so adamant against it like the one of WoW, the post right below yours was a shining example of the usual mental limbo when it comes to the topic, so I stand by it, the WoW playerbase doesn't deserve it.

As for the rest, the designer was included between the engine dev and the guy for the GUI, hence the vehicle controlls comment, as that would be the easiest way to implement it. A proper custom GUI would be nice, but it's not really neccessary

[Revamp Man]

New player housing: KARAZHAN

Multiple rooms to make your own in this wonderous magical home

Stables: upgrade the stables to give your own mounts and pets a new home
By upgrading the stables you’ll bring in members of the Nesingwary Safari who will give you leads to exotic mounts and pets in exchange for your help in bringing down new game

Library: keep record of all your favorite moments in Azeroth
By upgrading the library you will bring in members of the Kirin tor who will exchange knowledge for rare magic artifacts

Artifact room: store your artifacts from across Azeroth and the spirits of the past will give you more information
Upgrading this room brings in members of the League of Explorers who will use your discoveries to help track down magical relics

The more you upgrade karazhan the more people you attract to deadwind pass making this empty zone a bustling hub

[Khaza-R]

New player housing: KARAZHAN

Multiple rooms to make your own in this wonderous magical home

Stables: upgrade the stables to give your own mounts and pets a new home
By upgrading the stables you’ll bring in members of the Nesingwary Safari who will give you leads to exotic mounts and pets in exchange for your help in bringing down new game

Library: keep record of all your favorite moments in Azeroth
By upgrading the library you will bring in members of the Kirin tor who will exchange knowledge for rare magic artifacts

Artifact room: store your artifacts from across Azeroth and the spirits of the past will give you more information
Upgrading this room brings in members of the League of Explorers who will use your discoveries to help track down magical relics

The more you upgrade karazhan the more people you attract to deadwind pass making this empty zone a bustling hub

I could see them re-using old raids and dungeons for some sort of premium player housing. That said, I don't see it ever happening unless its a heavy cash $hop feature

[Skildar]

I'm late to the party but to me the issue with housing is not much an asset issue or even some UI issues.

These are the two main issues I see :
* Location and access : give some liberty for the player to choose his housing location and not have everyone overlap or go in garrison style housing : phasing where you need to indicate in the menu which player housing you want to visit which breaks immersion. FF XIV solution to me is one of the worst, having instanced neighborhoods bringes nothing of value to the immersion.
For instance, if every city in the game could have a few houses and if you could settle in one of these or if you could even set up shop next to the ravenholdt manor or waycrest manor. Then on a small populated realm, it's all good and fun vut you rarely see any player housing and on a very populated one, it's a diabolical mess.

* Housing reward and drive : A game like sims or animal crossing have the housing at the center of their gameplay. how do you spread the reward else than "reputation can sell you a chair, a table and a lamp". What use is there to invite a player to your home? Do you limit it to a house per guild or per player? if guild, then who can modify it? What different interaction with the world does it make to be in this or that location, to have this style or that style of house to fill it with this rare piece or that rare piece, to have this utility or this one, etc.

There are thousands more questions that goes into what to do to do it right, and from looking at it there is no right answer for the first issue and I can only trust blizzard to find some new way of gameplay and reward for the second issue.

[Revamp Man]

I could see them re-using old raids and dungeons for some sort of premium player housing. That said, I don't see it ever happening unless its a heavy cash $hop feature

That’s where extremely rare items come in at because you will have people shove them on the AH and then the whales will buy tokens

Housing customization is something a ton of people will waste hours on

[therumblings]

I remember Blizzard was proud to say the Garrison was part of the zones, and wasn't in some instanced corner of the world, but when it comes to player housing I'd probably prefer that. I think it would be cool to be given your own Island or something.

[PhillyCheese]

I think people haven't been paying attention to the sheer amount of random props and doodads Blizz have been adding in recent expansions. They would all easily make for good furniture.

[Wangming]

Housing customization is something a ton of people will waste hours on

That's what I've been trying to tell them the whole day

[therumblings]

I think people haven't been paying attention to the sheer amount of random props and doodads Blizz have been adding in recent expansions. They would all easily make for good furniture.

They could even add an entire profession based on woodworking or building furniture as well.