Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

I think it'd be cool if done right, but hoping for that or any other large feature is generally a bad idea/a pipe dream. Same goes for making bets/assumptions/setting expectations.

Housing would be great if it was done well. However the same is true for a lot of stuff. The game would be amazing if every zone, dungeon, and raid was in some way useful at endgame as well.

Banking on an idea that only truly works if it's either amazing on the first attempt, or requires reworks over a longer period of time, potentially even several expansions, just seems like it's doomed to fail.

WoW definitely has the pieces needed for a great housing. But the same is true for giving us a revamped raid every single patch.

[Celement]

Housing would be great if it was done well. However the same is true for a lot of stuff. The game would be amazing if every zone, dungeon, and raid was in some way useful at endgame as well.

Banking on an idea that only truly works if it's either amazing on the first attempt, or requires reworks over a longer period of time, potentially even several expansions, just seems like it's doomed to fail.

WoW definitely has the pieces needed for a great housing. But the same is true for giving us a revamped raid every single patch.

I think the realistic problem with housing is it is a massive strain on the server storing that much data for what really is a cosmetic thing. Add to that how heavily themed wows environment objects are and it would require a massive retooling of assets to work properly.

[therumblings]

To be fair, customizing your character that you see every second you're logged on appeals to most players (perhaps just not Ion). Customizing a house does not appeal to every player. I wouldn't say they are equivalent in that regard.

No, but saying player housing is totally a brand new concept that is akin to playing with dolls is just false. It's another avenue of player customization, like transmog, mounts, pets, the garrison as well. A place to put stuff and customize.

[draugril]

No, but saying player housing is totally a brand new concept that is akin to playing with dolls is just false. It's another avenue of player customization, like transmog, mounts, pets, the garrison as well. A place to put stuff and customize.

I've always seen it as an extension of character customization, myself. I have never created something in these systems according my my own preferences - I always try to base them entirely on the character it belongs to. You should know exactly the type of person that would live there based on how it looks.

[Marlamin]

I think the realistic problem with housing is it is a massive strain on the server storing that much data for what really is a cosmetic thing. Add to that how heavily themed wows environment objects are and it would require a massive retooling of assets to work properly.

It's not that bad, it'd be comparable in storage to say your bank and all the items and their variations stored in that, or all the quests you ever completed. I don't think there'd be unlimited housing customization slots or anything in Blizzard's version. They like limiting how far one can go in any feature.

Housing would be great if it was done well. However the same is true for a lot of stuff. The game would be amazing if every zone, dungeon, and raid was in some way useful at endgame as well.

Banking on an idea that only truly works if it's either amazing on the first attempt, or requires reworks over a longer period of time, potentially even several expansions, just seems like it's doomed to fail.

WoW definitely has the pieces needed for a great housing. But the same is true for giving us a revamped raid every single patch.

Pretty much!

[therumblings]

Just give me a random instanced Island in the middle of nowhere to edit the terrain and place buildings around and that will satisfy me.

[Marlamin]

Just give me a random instanced Island in the middle of nowhere to edit the terrain and place buildings around and that will satisfy me.

That would be the dream of many people I'm sure, but that gets really close to fully UGC (user generated content) and I don't see true UGC happening in WoW until Blizzard is done with the game.

[therumblings]

That would be the dream of many people I'm sure, but that gets really close to fully UGC (user generated content) and I don't see true UGC happening in WoW until Blizzard is done with the game.

I can see them adding it if it's just one Island and your personal home, I think it would suck if it's just the Garrison 2.0. I don't think they will ever make Wowedit be available like some private servers have where you can create entire zones though.

[Raetary]

Everyones forgetting that pocket dimensions are a thing.
Just have the Kirin Tor conjure one up for us.

Voila!
A big private space, can be any terrain and skybox, where you can place in anything you like.

[TheFirstOnes]

Is today the day? Sylvanas goes to the FUCKING MAW???

[PhillyCheese]

The playerbase of WoW likely skews older than other newer games, ergo they aren't as interested in playing with dolls and dollhouses.

If BFA and SL taught me anything about the playerbase its that anyone with a social media account cares about everything BUT the gameplay.

Also, there is a shocking amount of younger players. The game isn’t as dated as people think.

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Is today the day? Sylvanas goes to the FUCKING MAW???

Today is the last day we will see Sylvanas for a long time. Hopefully we can all move on.

[Catastrophy349]

Is today the day? Sylvanas goes to the FUCKING MAW???

Put her on ice.

[therumblings]

Is today the day? Sylvanas goes to the FUCKING MAW???

Hopefully, unless the cinematic is something entirely different and we got baited.

[Sondrelk]

Just give me a random instanced Island in the middle of nowhere to edit the terrain and place buildings around and that will satisfy me.

Would have loved if we used the islands from the island expeditions to create player housing if that is at all possible.
You start by placing a port from which you arrive by boat, then a house. Afterwards you can start changing stuff to really make the island suit your wishes, maybe even adding other NPC houses in different styles.

Then you just ensure that you don't add too much actual utility to the base. Maybe the ability to go to different ports around Azeroth if you complete some arbitrary requirements, and otherwise the best you get is an inn and basic vendors.

Adding actual content to the housing would just make it more difficult to reuse, and you definitely don't want to place it somewhere tied to a specific expansion. Ideally it should be strictly tied to Stormwind/Orgrimmar or the areas immediately outside them.

It would almost definitely be more work than it's worth, but it would be a pretty great version with some good evergreen features that could be expanded upon as we go. Maybe you gain some Ny'alotha doodads from completing Glory of the Ny'alotha raider for instance. Or Dwarf assets from being exalted with the relevant factions.

[PhillyCheese]

Hopefully, unless the cinematic is something entirely different and we got baited.

I’m actually wondering how much asshurt there will be over it not being a real cinematic. I’m starting to prefer the in game ones with HD character models and animations, they look really good (like the Pelagos and Kleia hug, though he looked too shiny).

The cinematics are starting to look washed out and fake to me.

[Catastrophy349]

Let's just hope (ium) that the Epilogue is more than just a Sylvanas circle jerk and an actual conclusion to the Shadowlands story, too.

[PhillyCheese]

Let's just hope (ium) that the Epilogue is more than just a Sylvanas circle jerk and an actual conclusion to the Shadowlands story, too.

The covenant stories ended in 9.1, I would like it to be more than just the trial event though. We still need to turn on the forge of afterlives, Calia and Sylvanas need to interact ONCE, etc.

If it’s just the trial there will at least be some good gossip text from all the NPCs there which include the Windrunners, Voss and Calia.

Very long maintenance today so maybe it’s bigger than expected?

[Soulwind]

That would be the dream of many people I'm sure, but that gets really close to fully UGC (user generated content) and I don't see true UGC happening in WoW until Blizzard is done with the game.

I think a more realistic approach would be to have a flat circle, surrounded by an invisible wall.

You could choose which zone your house is in (maybe even have two or three locations per zone, literally copying the map and using it as a glorified 3D skybox), with client-side (those untargeteable NPCs that they've been using lately) fauna roaming outside the wall.

Inside, you'd choose one building from a list. That would just be placed in a predetermined position, garrison-style. But the building would come empty, and then you'd have the "place your stuff anywhere" tool to populate that bubble, with a maximum amount of items allowed. If you want an empty house and 100 chairs around it, that's your thing.

They'd just need to store the chosen zone, building and the IDs of those items, with their coordinates within the map.

[Catastrophy349]

The covenant stories ended in 9.1, I would like it to be more than just the trial event though. We still need to turn on the forge of afterlives, Calia and Sylvanas need to interact ONCE, etc.

If it’s just the trial there will at least be some good gossip text from all the NPCs there which include the Windrunners, Voss and Calia.

Very long maintenance today so maybe it’s bigger than expected?

Long maintenance is due to stupid oceanic server BS.

We are getting Epilogue AND Mage Tower today. I just hope servers are up sooner than the actual maintenance time.

[Revamp Man]

To be fair, customizing your character that you see every second you're logged on appeals to most players (perhaps just not Ion). Customizing a house does not appeal to every player. I wouldn't say they are equivalent in that regard.

I don’t get the “not ion” comment

The dude has been lead during the best changes to transmog

Like is blaming him just a meme now??

Lightsabers are too rare must be because ion prefers Star Trek