Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[PhillyCheese]

Sylvanas doesn't need a break, her story is over
Anduin's story hasn't even begun yet. He was removed just like Vol'jin was removed when Varian died

Anduin will inevitably be back to fight Turalyon when he steps out of line. Its a matter of when.

[Wangming]

Turalyon's honestly one of my favorite characters (partly due to his voice actor, I've got a man-crush on Travis Wilingham) so I'm all for him being important and on the throne.

He is awesome on Critical Role. Besides, whoever can seduce Laura Bailey deserves respect.

[Chickat]

A post that doesn't get a lot of traction doesn't make it a bad/worthless post. If anything it actually adds something vs. the useless back and forth (which isn't speculation at all regardless of what some try to frame it as; it's arguing).

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Meanwhile, Blizzard has put the last patch of the expansion on the PTR with a lot of new hints/unexplained things that are actually deserving of speculation/analysis.

What's happening in Tirisfal? Why is Calia involved? There's a LOT of VO and things encrypted there.

Is the way between SL <-> Azeroth canonically wide open now? Khadgar popped up as well as a (now removed) quest where we give a tour of Stormwind to creatures from the Shadowlands.

Why is there another encrypted Anduin model?

What's the encrypted item set for?

Why are there still two encrypted achievements from 9.2? Are those for next reset's content?

I can go on, but hopefully it's some food for thought that looks towards the future instead of the past.

The way to the dragon isles is through the fairy dragon mushroom circle. Calling it.

[Catastrophy349]

Tldr on the stay a while and listens;

Vereesa and Alleria- They talk about finally seeing Sylvanas at long last. They mention that maybe, just maybe, their sister will return once she has paid penance and freed all of the souls in the Maw. Lastly, Vereesa calls Alleria Little Sun and Alleria calls Vereesa Little Moon.

Darion Mograine and Bolvar- They discuss the prospect of the Scourge running rampant without a leader to control them. They fear that some powerful scourge may try to rise up and take control/lead an army. Bolvar asks if he should return to Helm Ice Crown Citadel and watch over the scourge and Darion tells him, "No. You must stay away for Taelia's sake. Be her father. The Ebon will take care of the scourge back on Azeroth."

Baine and Lor'themar- They ask one another who they would want to visit in the Shadowlands if they could. Lor'themar says that he would like to see Prince Kael'thas to feel better about himself leading the Blood Elves. Baine says he wouldn't meet anyone because he knows in his heart that his father is with him.

Lor'themar and Genn-They discuss Sylvanas, blah blah blah, and Genn gets mad that Lor'themar essentially let her do whatever she wanted.

Genn and Anduin- Genn is so happy that Anduin is alive and well (sort of). He asks Anduin to return back to Azeroth to lead in Stormwind. Anduin says that he can't, yet, and that Turalyon should continue to lead.

Arbiter (Pelagos) and Kleia-Discuss their past (nothing important)

Tyrande and Shandris-They talk about Elune and the Winter Queen. Tyrande doesn't blame Elune for wanting to help her sister with what happened to Teldrassil. She just hopes that the cycle of rebirth and death (Elune and Winter Queen) can continue without a problem not that Sylvanas is in the Maw freeing the souls.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I can. He needs to take a break just like Sylvanas, they were both spammed heavily in the last three expansions.

I expected King Turalyon but not this smoothly. Maybe they will fight and Anduin will get knocked out, but I think he's going to take a break one way or another.

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Thrall is serving as Orc leader on the council and they just gave him his shaman powers back. Don't think he's leaving.

But they are definitely moving away from the "core cast" idea.

When did Thrall become a shaman again? I think I have missed that.

[Catastrophy349]

I am still looking to see if there are any others.

[Kiivar86]

He is awesome on Critical Role. Besides, whoever can seduce Laura Bailey deserves respect.

I need to watch that but so much to watch, so little time. May try the podcast version since I do commute after all.

I had the chance to meet both of them several years ago and I was quite literally struck dumb. I remember I babbled for a moment incoherently before recalling my purpose (autographs for me and a friend who couldn't make it). Laura Bailey was there too (got her autograph as well) and they were so great, stuck around as long as they could for autographs and fans before hightailing it for a panel at the very last moment.

So any chance to hear more of him, I'm all for it, heh.

Anyways I'm honestly kind of feeling good about these post epilogue dialogue stuff. Anduin being benched (for a while) is a surprise but a welcome one, to me at least. And makes some sense, I think anyone would need to take some time to collect themselves after what happened. As for that model, maybe its a post-raid update to his current model? It is weird that he came back physically unscathed. I would've expected the white hair to stick around (though that may be too similar to Jaina's situation, I guess).

Read Genn's dialogue to a Horde player and he is angry, to be expected.

[Polybius]

Shame she didn't accidentally crack her neck on the way down. Having her paralyzed in the Maw unable to fulfill her charge would be nice. Oh well. See you in 4-6 years.

No but she crashed the game lool

[PhillyCheese]

Dialogs I have found:

(Right after the judgement)
Alleria/Vereesa: blah blah our sister is being good again yaaay

(In Arbiter chamber, you can talk to the main attendant to go there)
Genn/Anduin: Genn doesn't blame Anduin, Anduin thinks he should have been stronger. Leaves the Alliance in Turalyon's hands. Genn accepts it and tells him to come home when ready.

Pelagos/Kleia: Pelagos thinks the Maw is too steep a punishment and will not send any more souls there. (!!) Also will listen to where spirits want to go.

Baine/Lor'themar: Lor askes Baine if he wants to seek one last conversation, Baine does not wish to seek out his father (lol). His spirit is always with him. Lor wants to speak with Kael'thas.

Still looking for Calia and Voss.

[Centerblock]

Here's the stay a while and listen between Shandris and Tyrande:

Shandris: It is good to see you whole again, Minn'do. I had feared you might be forever lost.

Tyrande: Ever since Darkshore, rage has swelled inside me. A tinder under which I seemed destined to drown.

Tyrande: It was not until I heard Elune's voice that I recognized the grief buried beneath my anger. Sorrow intertwined with a deep sense of betrayal.

Shandris: When Teldrassil burned, I could not understand why the goddess did not intervene. Why she would allow so many to be lost.

Shandris: But I did not know of Ardenweald. Of the duty and purpose that awaited the souls of our people. At least... before the Maw.

Tyrande: Perhaps we can never truly know the ways of the gods, my daughter. But I believe Elune made a choice to aid her sister. Not to cause us sorrow.

Shandris: The Winter Queen faced hard choices as well. She and Mother Moon are bound together in an eternal cycle. One of death and rebirth.

Tyrande: A cycle the kaldorei must now rejoin. No more looking to the past. It is time to embrace our future.

[Raetary]

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That one isn't new, its from 9.1.

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I wonder if the nelves are gonna start including the WQ in their faith.

Feels like that would be a relatively natural approach to learning your own goddess has a sister.
Let alone one that saved your head priestess.

[Centerblock]

Ah my bad, somebody had mentioned they were at the Heart of the Forest and I thought that was a new one

[Fahrad Wagner]

That one isn't new, its from 9.1.

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I wonder if the nelves would somehow start including the WQ in their faith.

It would make sense, in memory of the lost souls of Teldrassil, and their journey to join the Winter Queen's gardens. I'd like that!

[PhillyCheese]

Found one with Bolvar and Tirion, ring of transferrence.

The scourge roams leaderless, the mightiest ones are fighting for supremacy like warlords. The Ebon Blade must remain vigilant. Azeroth may never truly be rid of the scourge, but the Ebon Blade will keep them in check. Ebon Blade will safeguard ICC (currently absent but a "seat of dark power"... Azshara?) and Darion tells Bolvar to stay with Taelia.

edit: They sound the same...

[Fahrad Wagner]

Found one with Bolvar and Tirion, ring of transferrence.

The scourge roams leaderless, the mightiest ones are fighting for supremacy like warlords. The Ebon Blade must remain vigilant. Azeroth may never truly be rid of the scourge, but the Ebon Blade will keep them in check. Ebon Blade will safeguard ICC (currently absent but a "seat of dark power"... Azshara?) and Tirion tells Bolvar to stay with Taelia.

I think you mean Darion bud

[Khaza-R]

Dialogs I have found:

(Right after the judgement)
Alleria/Vereesa: blah blah our sister is being good again yaaay

(In Arbiter chamber, you can talk to the main attendant to go there)
Genn/Anduin: Genn doesn't blame Anduin, Anduin thinks he should have been stronger. Leaves the Alliance in Turalyon's hands. Genn accepts it and tells him to come home when ready.

Pelagos/Kleia: Pelagos thinks the Maw is too steep a punishment and will not send any more souls there. (!!) Also will listen to where spirits want to go.

Baine/Lor'themar: Lor askes Baine if he wants to seek one last conversation, Baine does not wish to seek out his father (lol). His spirit is always with him. Lor wants to speak with Kael'thas.

Still looking for Calia and Voss.

Kael'thas and Lorthemar would be really interesting dialogue.

As for Cairne, don't you see him in the Tauren heritage questline? No reason to seek him out.

Hoping we could see some Calia / Terenas story. Perhaps giving her character some actual purpose for once.

[draugril]

I have a problem with Tyrande's judgement... Wouldn't it make sense to send more than a single person to the Maw to retrieve the souls of her people? Imagine being the last Night Elf that Sylvanas finds potentially thousands of years later, if not longer. I get that the punishment fits the crime, so to speak, but in the meantime... all those souls are suffering much longer than they would otherwise need to.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Found one with Bolvar and Darion, ring of transferrence.

The scourge roams leaderless, the mightiest ones are fighting for supremacy like warlords. The Ebon Blade must remain vigilant. Azeroth may never truly be rid of the scourge, but the Ebon Blade will keep them in check. Ebon Blade will safeguard ICC (currently absent but a "seat of dark power"... Azshara?) and Darion tells Bolvar to stay with Taelia.

edit: They sound the same...

That's great and all but I'd just like to hear about Redridge. Apparently in the Kyrian campaign Lakeshire is all but wiped off the map by the scourge, yet here it sounds like the worst that's happening is the Plaguelands might be back to being Plaguelandey.

[PhillyCheese]

I have a problem with Tyrande's judgement... Wouldn't it make sense to send more than a single person to the Maw to retrieve the souls of her people? Imagine being the last Night Elf that Sylvanas finds potentially thousands of years later, if not longer. I get that the punishment fits the crime, so to speak, but in the meantime... all those souls are suffering much longer than they would otherwise need to.

Logically it would make more sense to send some dark rangers/ex-loyalists that want to repent but it would take away from the dramatic focus of it being Sylvana's redemption.

Also makes it easier for her to do the task.

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

I have a problem with Tyrande's judgement... Wouldn't it make sense to send more than a single person to the Maw to retrieve the souls of her people? Imagine being the last Night Elf that Sylvanas finds potentially thousands of years later, if not longer. I get that the punishment fits the crime, so to speak, but in the meantime... all those souls are suffering much longer than they would otherwise need to.

Yup, I’d be pretty pissed if I was one of those souls being forced to be tortured much longer than necessary.