Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The scourge roams leaderless, the mightiest ones are fighting for supremacy like warlords. The Ebon Blade must remain vigilant. Azeroth may never truly be rid of the scourge, but the Ebon Blade will keep them in check. Ebon Blade will safeguard ICC (currently absent but a "seat of dark power"... Azshara?) and Darion tells Bolvar to stay with Taelia.

Interesting. I'd figure the Scourge would be defunct by this point—I suppose we'll see a Scourge Power Struggle plot in the future.

[manypillars]

But also a lot of customization specific cross gear type pieces (think thorghast shoulders and backs), racial sets for most races, 3D back items

I got sick a few years back and can't play more than healing a low level dungeon now and then because my arm is all fucked up, so no idea what Torghast's rewards are.

And I guess with the news of Anduin's replacement that cross-faction grouping is now at "I'll believe it when I see it," and probably won't last more than one expansion, if even that. If they're already ramping up for the next faction war, it's just a temporary stop-gap to try to help regrow the Alliance raiding scene (a good thing, mind you). I guess the next person with the villain ball will be.. Lorthemar? Either him or Voss or whoever is new the Orc leader since Thrall will be gone. Tauren are always the victim race, so it can't be Baine, and it's not likely to be an allied race leader. Although Talanji is a troll, and trolls exist to be raided.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Either they will subvert Turalyon going too far or he exists to show that Alliance learns from two Bad Warchiefs and expels him immediately once he goes crazy.

I'd honestly rather that he takes his place as a happy middle ground—I'd like to see Turalyon just give the Alliance back its darker edge from WarCraft III than actively become a villain.

[Raetary]

YOU HEAR THAT PHOTOSHOP WITCHES? Get m'boys on that hypetrain! @Arafal work your magic!

[ChairmanKaga]

Transmog is one of the most popular things in the game, people love dressing up and customizing their stuff.

I love transmog and have no interest in housing but understand why others do. If it allows me to sell junk to housing addicts in game all the better.

[huth]

Well when Thrall stepped down from leadership in Cata, he was shoved into every cutscene and plotline. But damn, I'm actually excited to see how this is followed up.

I don't think they're comparable. Thrall was a major character outside of his position and long before he got it. Anduin has only ever been relevant as the Prince/King of Stormwind.

[Fahrad Wagner]

The baby dragon, I can't even- T-T

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Darion Mograine and Bolvar- They discuss the prospect of the Scourge running rampant without a leader to control them. They fear that some powerful scourge may try to rise up and take control/lead an army. Bolvar asks if he should return to Helm Ice Crown Citadel and watch over the scourge and Darion tells him, "No. You must stay away for Taelia's sake. Be her father. The Ebon will take care of the scourge back on Azeroth."

What is it with the emphasis on preserving family connections at the cost of the safety of the planet? They also had Matthias and Flynn decide to go on an expeditionary date instead of the former actually doing his job, too. The interpersonal stuff makes the characters look a little bit haphazard in their handling of their extraordinarily important roles.

It's not necessarily that bad, and both plots are fine, but it definitely makes the characters come off as silly.

[Revamp Man]

Because hot chicks don't die. Otherwise Jaina would have been executed seconds after landing in Kul Tiras.

well at least we are getting the scarlet crusade story coming
and im guessing we will get plenty of alice in wonderland references because Calia is the white queen and the scarlet leader can be called the red queen

[Raetary]

The baby dragon, I can't even- T-T

Get yourself a man that looks at you the way Wrathion looks at Daduin

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Anyways I'm honestly kind of feeling good about these post epilogue dialogue stuff. Anduin being benched (for a while) is a surprise but a welcome one, to me at least. And makes some sense, I think anyone would need to take some time to collect themselves after what happened. As for that model, maybe its a post-raid update to his current model? It is weird that he came back physically unscathed. I would've expected the white hair to stick around (though that may be too similar to Jaina's situation, I guess).

Agreed—Anduin's presence has sort of neutered the Alliance as a faction and prevented them from embracing the more interesting, nuanced edges of the Alliance. The reason I'm fairly happy with putting Turalyon in charge is precisely that. They'll get to be a little more dubious for a while, though I do fear they may just turn him into a Loot Pinata instead of giving him a real plot as dictator.

[PhillyCheese]

What is it with the emphasis on preserving family connections at the cost of the safety of the planet? They also had Matthias and Flynn decide to go on an expeditionary date instead of the former actually doing his job, too. The interpersonal stuff makes the characters look a little bit haphazard in their handling of their extraordinarily important roles.

It's not necessarily that bad, and both plots are fine, but it definitely makes the characters come off as silly.

It's basically Darion admitting that there always being a Lich King is stupid. Besides, he lead the Ebon Blade, not Wrath of the Bolvar. Not really.

[Nymrohd]

In two expansions:

"How could you do this, Turalyon!? No one could've predicted that he would reclaim Lordaeron after he said he would reclaim Lordaeron!"

At the very least, seeing the Alliance as a military dictatorship could prove very interesting. It's going to be nice to see them be the aggressors for once, or at least get to start collaborating with the Lightbound and grow a pair in the process.

Ì mean at least finally the Alliance will have a war leader who actually has seen the most war of them all.

[PhillyCheese]

This dialog is perfect.

Genn makes a very good point here to Lor'themar, god I wish the Horde hadn't gotten dragged through the mud all for the sake of Sylvanas's arc.

[ChairmanKaga]

What is it with the emphasis on preserving family connections at the cost of the safety of the planet? ...The interpersonal stuff makes the characters look a little bit haphazard in their handling of their extraordinarily important roles.

It's not necessarily that bad, and both plots are fine, but it definitely makes the characters come off as silly.

Regarding Bolvar, without the Dom Helm what is he supposed to do?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

This dialog is perfect.

I'm kind of surprised they're letting him actually be himself and stay ideologically-tenacious instead of cuddling up with Theron and parceling out the blame to Sylvie. This is a surprisingly muddled back-and-forth where both sides have a point—Theron is reasonable (by the standards of WoW leaders) as per usual, but Genn's call for justice is by no means misguided. It gives them both good characterization, too, since Lor'themar is allowed to show his strengths (reasonable, diplomatic) and flaws (a little bit craven, flip-floppy) in equal measure, same with Genn. This is surprisingly good, in general.

[Makabreska]

The 9 year old in me is frothing at the mouth at the thought of Turalyon leading the Alliance. That dude was so bad ass in Warcraft 2. Hopefully all those years of waiting for him and Alleria to return will finally pay off, because I didn't feel like it did back in Legion. He was way too neutral and his armour sucks.

I want him to be a grizzled Alliance veteran crushing orc skulls and conquering Lordaeron.

Don't think we can expect much of faction conflict in the future. Blizz is kinda done with major conflicts.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Ì mean at least finally the Alliance will have a war leader who actually has seen the most war of them all.

That's what I'm hoping for, for sure. I'd love to see the Alliance under strong leadership for once.

[GabrielKnight]

This dialog is perfect.

I don't see anything special about a guild looking to push rated bgs.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Regarding Bolvar, without the Dom Helm what is he supposed to do?

Seemingly sit around with Taelia to resolve his family problems. It seems unclear what he'll do after that—he may be a leader in some respect again later, but he may just be being put on the Shadowlands Bus with Sylvie and Andy.