Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Fahrad Wagner]

I'm maintaining Lordaeron has the most evidence for any kind of important content, but I'm willing to ping myself if I'm not correct about it.

It does, what a twist! We could still get Lordaeron with a sprinkle of Dragon Isles though. Blizzard does love their twists, no matter if anybody wants them or not

[Wangming]

Also if there's this much focus on Lordaeron now with Calia and Turalyon, there's no way that 10.0 is just Dragon Isles right?

Yes it is, it's just Dragon isles and Tinkers

[Nymrohd]

I'd honestly rather that he takes his place as a happy middle ground—I'd like to see Turalyon just give the Alliance back its darker edge from WarCraft III than actively become a villain.

I honestly cannot help but feel that the entire idea of "Light is evil and fascist" is just inherently political and that part of the wish for an evil Turalyon is not because it makes sense in the story but out of a desire to see the Alliance hit with the villain bat for a turn. What really sounds crazy is how many people keep repeating about Turalyon being a zealot when he saw his own goddess (that he lived with for ten thousand years and who probably saved his life innumerable times) being killed in front of him but could still be stopped and still worked with the man who killed her and was still able to advocate for his wife even though she joined with the very opposite force of what he represents. That . . . does not sound like a zealot to me.

[PhillyCheese]

It does, what a twist! We could still get Lordaeron with a sprinkle of Dragon Isles though. Blizzard does love their twists, no matter if anybody wants them or not

Or Lordy is part of a revamp and the max level stuff is Dragons. I can see people getting asshurt if the max level content is "medieval town with zombies"

[Fahrad Wagner]

Or Lordy is part of a revamp and the max level stuff is Dragons. I can see people getting asshurt if the max level content is "medieval town with zombies"

I want that so bad... the world revamp dream lives on!

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I honestly cannot help but feel that the entire idea of "Light is evil and fascist" is just inherently political and that part of the wish for an evil Turalyon is not because it makes sense in the story but out of a desire to see the Alliance hit with the villain bat for a turn. What really sounds crazy is how many people keep repeating about Turalyon being a zealot when he saw his own goddess (that he lived with for ten thousand years and who probably saved his life innumerable times) being killed in front of him but could still be stopped and still worked with the man who killed her and was still able to advocate for his wife even though she joined with the very opposite force of what he represents. That . . . does not sound like a zealot to me.

I honestly don't see it as political at all—I think it's just an Animesque attempt to up the stakes regardless of how reasonable it is. I do hope that it is somewhat emphasized that the whole "brainwashing" shtick is pretty justifiable on the Light's part. Besides, Illidan and Gey'arah, even if I really like the latter as a character, are not good judges of character. One is a lunatic narcissist LARPing as a world-saving superhero and the other is the successor of the slavedriving, highly-militant Iron Horde and probably just salty she can't be the big conqueror lady instead of Yrel.

I'd say that Turalyon definitely never struck me as a zealot—even when Illidan murdered the millennia-old leader of the Army of the Light, he pretty much put aside his grudge to defeat the Legion. He actually comes off as pretty limp-wristed to me.

[PhillyCheese]

Sylvanas has special words for Loyalists.

<player>. It is fitting that we share a few final words here, as I stand upon the precipice of judgment.

You have shown me loyalty time and time again, even when others spurned you for it. Even when my own actions did not merit such dedication.

I'm not certain what fate awaits me. But if one day I have need of trusted allies, I know that I can call upon you.

You are officially best buddies!

[Wangming]

It does, what a twist! We could still get Lordaeron with a sprinkle of Dragon Isles though. Blizzard does love their twists, no matter if anybody wants them or not

The Dragon Isles are under Lordaeron. The place is like Enkanomiya.

Hmmm in fact Enkanomiya is connected to dragons.

[Makabreska]

Yes it is, it's just Dragon isles and Tinkers

But which one of them is Exploding?

[Fahrad Wagner]

Yes it is, it's just Dragon isles and Tinkers

No, you've got it all wrong. It will be Void Elves Tinkers riding Dragons. And it cannot be any other way, because I said so.

OK, I'll stop, I'm making myself cry.

[PhillyCheese]

But which one of them is Exploding?

Dragon Isles: Explosion of Tinkers

[Fahrad Wagner]

But which one of them is Exploding?

All of them, at once, on a single bed.

Dragon Isles: Explosion of Tinkers

Dragon Tinker: Explosion of Isles

[Wangming]

Sylvanas has special words for Loyalists.



You are officially best buddies!

Well of course Danuser would want an option to be her official best buddy.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Sylvanas has special words for Loyalists.



You are officially best buddies!

Okay. I... don't know how I feel about that.

[Kiivar86]

Don't think we can expect much of faction conflict in the future. Blizz is kinda done with major conflicts.

We can have plenty of conflicts, we do every expansion. It just will be a smaller and not out and out war.

Probably.

Also got to wondering if maybe this (the dialogue between Genn and Lor'themar) is foreshadowing for Genn and Turalyon. Maybe a stretch to call them friends but they have some history together at least.

[PhillyCheese]

So now we have confirmation of another racial storyline: Humans retaking old settlements under Turalyon. Court of Nobles will likely be propped up as a faction to give them some flavor, as Turalyon mentions them when you talk to him (and now we know him sitting on the throne is important).

I think we have a solid storyline for every EK/Kalimdor race right now except for Trolls, Orcs and Tauren. Forsaken is obvious and Belves are defending QT.

Draenei... something something Yrel.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Okay. I... don't know how I feel about that.

"I am very regretful for my war crimes, but thanks for helping out with all those war crimes : )"

It does at least make the player's choices feel a teensy bit more relevant (even if it didn't really change anything important).

[Fahrad Wagner]

"I am very regretful for my war crimes, but thanks for helping out with all those war crimes : )"

It does at least make the player's choices feel a teensy bit more relevant (even if it didn't really change anything important).

Yeah... relevant but still, this feels so off. Exactly what you said "Thank you for helping me with my war crimes even though you shouldn't have. BFFs forever right?"

[PhillyCheese]

Yeah... relevant but still, this feels so off. Exactly what you said "Thank you for helping me with my war crimes even though you shouldn't have. BFFs forever right?"

Probably because Loyalist players would actually harm themselves/someone if Sylvanas said they were idiots and deserve to die/apologized for "making them stupid".

[AOL Instant Messenger]

So now we have confirmation of another racial storyline: Humans retaking old settlements under Turalyon. Court of Nobles will likely be propped up as a faction to give them some flavor, as Turalyon mentions them when you talk to him (and now we know him sitting on the throne is important).

I think we have a solid storyline for every EK/Kalimdor race right now except for Trolls, Orcs and Tauren. Forsaken is obvious and Belves are defending QT.

Draenei... something something Yrel.

I'd say for the Lightforged Draenei, they're at least already in service to Turalyon. It could also mean that the Draenei as a whole end up helping the Humans and they share a questline, at least up until halfway through where it can split between a down-to-earth war story for the Humans and an expedition to Draenor for the Lightforged and Draenei.