Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[BaumanKing]

Tell us how you really feel.

Am I wrong tho? Fiction needs to reflect our modern problems. And Turalyon is definitely a relic of a bygone era. He is the embodiment of the Mighty Whitey trope, which is a racist trope. Through him, Blizzard writers can touch on many of the current issues of our society.

[Foolicious]

The thing is, I get him having PTSD if he was tortured like Thrall/Jaina but it seems he wasn't;

Its not about having severe trauma. He was forced to act against his will, almost killed several people and couldn't do anything about it. Its more about the fact he has come to terms with him not being able to resist or not being strong enough to fight back against the influence of zovaal. All that he expects from himself is to be strong (like he thinks varian was all the time) but keeps failing at it.

Hes a sad boy now but will come to terms with what the was made to do in time. If what we have seen is blizzards attempt to write ptsd its really weird.

[Wangming]

I look forward to at least getting the bad taste of Sylvanas out of my mouth at that point.

That's what she said.

[Raetary]

I mean, Anduin has described how domination affects him.

I just considered his depression to come from that.
Sure he didn't go through regular physical torture, but i know i wouldn't be exactly happy dappy after my mind was repeatedly forced to stand under a cognitive hydraulic press.
I don't think anyone would.

[Nymrohd]

I mean, Anduin has described how domination affects him.

I just considered his depression to come from that.
Sure he didn't go through regular physical torture, but i know i wouldn't be exactly happy dappy after my mind was repeatedly forced to stand under a cognitive hydralic press.
I don't think anyone would.

I am not saying it's not horrible. It just feels very out of place for Warcraft. Every single player has gone through and done worse at one quest or another to not mention the NPCs. It would be interesting if it was presented as "you don't have to feel forced to power through trauma, take your time" but while I appreciate that message it just feels out of place in WoW.

[Soulwind]

Fiction needs to reflect our modern problems.

Says who. Fiction needs to be fictional. Entertainment needs to be entertaining. Everything else is up to the author.

[Calfredd]

Am I wrong tho? Fiction needs to reflect our modern problems. And Turalyon is definitely a relic of a bygone era. He is the embodiment of the Mighty Whitey trope, which is a racist trope. Through him, Blizzard writers can touch on many of the current issues of our society.

Declaring The 5th Element racist with no follow-up and now this nonsense? You sure you aren't the racist one here?

[Nymrohd]

Says who. Fiction needs to be fictional. Entertainment needs to be entertaining. Everything else is up to the author.

I could agree with that point for fiction; it would reflect reality especially if it is set up at a version of current time.
But fantasy fiction is very much different. The better fantasy fiction usually extrapolates fantasy cultures out of the sociological evidence accrued in human history by exploring how fantasy elements would lead to deviations instead of incessantly projecting the writer's zeitgeist on a reality with vastly different variables.
Azeroth is a world where people either could interact with their gods (trolls, pandaren) or live at a time when their religion alters radically as their god's actual reality is exposed (Kaldorei, Humans), live in a world where the afterlife is suddenly not just fully understood but readily accessible even to random civilians, a world that has been invaded by various forms of space aliens and suffered multiple catastrophes that could have been reality ending. A world were there can be no presumption of safety at any point in the last few decades (and given the monstrous populations, nor could there really be before the events of WCI outside a very few urban centers). Honestly writing fantasy fiction as if it's just fiction only with fantasy elements in it seems so lazy to me and breaks any verisimilititude.

[Fiercelord]

No way someone is actually suggesting that

[Nymrohd]

Declaring The 5th Element racist with no follow-up and now this nonsense? You sure you aren't the racist one here?

While I don't think racist is the proper term, there is a large number of people in the WoW community that treat the Light as fascist. The notion existed even before X'era and definitely became very popular with the Mag'har recruitment scenario.

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Well that was quite the ending to Sylvanas' story, wasnt it?
Shame that Sylvanas' story has become to incredibly butchered that I barely even manage to watch it without recoiling. But hey, at least she is gone now, and we can hopefully never speak of her again.

Soon we shall have a 10.0 announcement, and I look forward to at least getting the bad taste of Sylvanas out of my mouth at that point.

The scary thing is, the hope was that she'd go on the fridge for at least a couple of expansions. But if Anduin really is joining her in the Maw, she may be back as soon as 11.0 which would be less than optimal.

[Soulwind]

The scary thing is, the hope was that she'd go on the fridge for at least a couple of expansions. But if Anduin really is joining her in the Maw, she may be back as soon as 11.0 which would be less than optimal.

And pregnant!

I could agree with that point for fiction; it would reflect reality especially if it is set up at a version of current time.

Generally speaking, yes. But even then I'd say it's up to the author. If someone wants to create a fictional universe that mimics our modern world, with completely surreal and impossible stories that don't reflect any real issues, that would still be called fiction.

Now, you could argue that every story has some element of reality in it, because even if we want, we can'tcome up with anything not based on experience, but that wasn't the point of the person we were replying to.

Like, as you say, people can see the Light as authoritarian and fascist, because in our real life experience, a group of fanatics that acts that way will always end up abusing their power and creating violence.

Blizzard could say that in Warcraft, that shit just works. But then people would call it propaganda. So in a way, they are forced to prove that the Light is wrong in their ways. Not because they were trying to reflect reality, but because people would look for such reflection anyway.

[ercarp]

And pregnant!

Can't wait to see how the story of their child, Varianathanos Wrynnrunner, unfolds.

[Nymrohd]

And pregnant!

Yeah, that particular crack ship just got mainstreamed. Though they should go fully progressive and make them a throuple with Nathanos joining in.

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Can't wait to see how the story of their child, Varianathanos Wrynnrunner, unfolds.

Given Anduin comes back old in the comic, the child will be an adult when we see them.

[Wangming]

Can't wait to see how the story of their child, Varianathanos Wrynnrunner, unfolds.

He would be like Me'dan. Has every class because of course.

[Soulwind]

Can't wait to see how the story of their child, Varianathanos Wrynnrunner, unfolds.

I hate that Wrynnrunner doesn't even sound that bad...

[Harbour]

Removing Anduin from the Light is Bad conflict is a very cheap cop out. Anduin vs Turalyon is probably my most exciting potential conflict i hope for in 10.0.

[Raetary]

And pregnant!

Unless its Anduin laying an egg for Wrathion, no thanks.

[Soulwind]

Unless its Anduin laying an egg for Wrathion, no thanks.

See, now necrophilia seems like the lesser evil. Thanks.

[Alanar]

Removing Anduin from the Light is Bad conflict is a very cheap cop out. Anduin vs Turalyon is probably my most exciting potential conflict i hope for in 10.0.

He could show up later down the line in 10.3 when Turalyon has lost it. Still all possible.

[Varodoc]

What I hope comes to pass is a "Good" version of the Stormwind Vision of N'Zoth.

So, essentially:

- Turalyon becoming evil, and Alleria rising up to stop him;

- Alleria killing Turalyon and ending his reign of terror;

- As reward, Alliance pledging themselves to Alleria and making her High Queen;

- Alleria safeguarding Arator;

- The Ren'dorei moving in and taking over Stormwind with Alleria refurbishing the Cathedral of Light as her base of operations, from which she rules Stormwind and leads the Alliance.

- Magister Umbric taking over the Mage Tower and training a new generation of Void users.

The best of both worlds. The Vision of N'Zoth comes to pass, but in the complete opposite way. While in the Vision the Ren'dorei forcefully took over Stormwind and enslaved its people in N'Zoth's name, in reality the Ren'dorei would move into Stormwind as reward for the pivotal role Alleria played in ending Turalyon's tyranny of Light [Alleria, naturally, is the one who has the most potential of stopping Turalyon; not only she is the one who knows him best, but she wields the power that is antithesis to the Light]. This is what I believe will happen in the future and this is my preferred outcome for the Story really.