Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lahis]

This would justify his ageing (assuming that comic ever even comes true), but why would he stay behind on Shadowlands? What purpose could he possibly serve there? Anduin has a duty to the Alliance as its leader. Surely he wouldn't just abandon them to... do what exactly? Play cards with the Winter Queen?

The conflict in the Shadowlands is over. Anduin staying behind makes ZERO sense.

Anduin has to stay behind so that Turalyon can start a war against Horde/all of Azeroth.

[ercarp]

Anduin has to stay behind so that Turalyon can start a war against Horde/all of Azeroth.

This sounds dumb, I hope it doesn't come to that. If they want to make a Light Expansion, they can just use Yrel to invade Azeroth. No need to make Turalyon into a worse character than he already is.

[Wangming]

Anduin has to stay behind so that Turalyon can start a war against Horde/all of Azeroth.

Pretty much. The in universe justification is that he has PTSD and needs to be somewhere away from conflict and duty and all that shit.

[Nymrohd]

Pretty much. The in universe justification is that he has PTSD and needs to be somewhere away from conflict and duty and all that shit.

The thing is, I get him having PTSD if he was tortured like Thrall/Jaina but it seems he wasn't; Zovaal first let Sylvanas trying to cajool him since he saw in him the perfect pawn to get through Kyrestia's defenses and when that failed they just stabbed and raised him like Frostmourne did before. And then he talks about what he did under Zovaal's control. But . . . what did he do that was so horrible? He stabbed Kyrestia sure. He didn't really know the lady and he didn't kill her or anything, she got better pretty fast. He stole something in Ardenweald. No one there was shown dead, he just walked in and used Kingsmourne which was pretty much made to suck Sigils. Then he slashed the Primus and grabbed his Sigil too. Didn't even stab him or anything, just slashed at him. He got better too.
I guess he might have done something super evil in Zereth Mortis like dominate all the robot AIs there? Sylvanas under Frostmourne was forced to take part in the scouring of Quel'thalas, killing people she was sworn to protect, people she knew, probably plenty of people she liked or even loved. Anduin poked some failed gods and brainwashed a couple of robots. We did that for fun during questing to make the Crown of Wills and even killed the robots after (they turned red!) So much trauma!

[BaumanKing]

This sounds dumb, I hope it doesn't come to that. If they want to make a Light Expansion, they can just use Yrel to invade Azeroth. No need to make Turalyon into a worse character than he already is.

He is a religious Mighty Whitey with traditionalist views and Aryan features. He is the perfect villain for today's society.

[Nymrohd]

He is a religious Mighty Whitey with traditionalist views and Aryan features. He is the perfect villain for today's society.

The entire approach to the Light very much feels like basic anti-establishment reactionary ideology. Devoid of nuance.

[Calfredd]

He is a religious Mighty Whitey with traditionalist views and Aryan features. He is the perfect villain for today's society.

Tell us how you really feel.

[Wangming]

The thing is, I get him having PTSD if he was tortured like Thrall/Jaina but it seems he wasn't; Zovaal first let Sylvanas trying to cajool him since he saw in him the perfect pawn to get through Kyrestia's defenses and when that failed they just stabbed and raised him like Frostmourne did before. And then he talks about what he did under Zovaal's control. But . . . what did he do that was so horrible? He stabbed Kyrestia sure. He didn't really know the lady and he didn't kill her or anything, she got better pretty fast. He stole something in Ardenweald. No one there was shown dead, he just walked in and used Kingsmourne which was pretty much made to suck Sigils. Then he slashed the Primus and grabbed his Sigil too. Didn't even stab him or anything, just slashed at him. He got better too.
I guess he might have done something super evil in Zereth Mortis like dominate all the robot AIs there? Sylvanas under Frostmourne was forced to take part in the scouring of Quel'thalas, killing people she was sworn to protect, people she knew, probably plenty of people she liked or even loved. Anduin poked some failed gods and brainwashed a couple of robots. We did that for fun during questing to make the Crown of Wills and even killed the robots after (they turned red!) So much trauma!

I never said Blizz writers are smart. Or talented.

[KainneAbsolute]

Unless Anduin saw something while he was dominated by Zovaal. Maybe Anduin is the only one who has an idea of what Zovaal wanted, and he pretends to accompany Sylvanas...while he searches for something else in the Maw...

Or maybe he is sympathetic with Sylvanas because both were dominated.

[Sondrelk]

Well that was quite the ending to Sylvanas' story, wasnt it?
Shame that Sylvanas' story has become to incredibly butchered that I barely even manage to watch it without recoiling. But hey, at least she is gone now, and we can hopefully never speak of her again.

Soon we shall have a 10.0 announcement, and I look forward to at least getting the bad taste of Sylvanas out of my mouth at that point.

[BaumanKing]

Tell us how you really feel.

Am I wrong tho? Fiction needs to reflect our modern problems. And Turalyon is definitely a relic of a bygone era. He is the embodiment of the Mighty Whitey trope, which is a racist trope. Through him, Blizzard writers can touch on many of the current issues of our society.

[Foolicious]

The thing is, I get him having PTSD if he was tortured like Thrall/Jaina but it seems he wasn't;

Its not about having severe trauma. He was forced to act against his will, almost killed several people and couldn't do anything about it. Its more about the fact he has come to terms with him not being able to resist or not being strong enough to fight back against the influence of zovaal. All that he expects from himself is to be strong (like he thinks varian was all the time) but keeps failing at it.

Hes a sad boy now but will come to terms with what the was made to do in time. If what we have seen is blizzards attempt to write ptsd its really weird.

[Wangming]

I look forward to at least getting the bad taste of Sylvanas out of my mouth at that point.

That's what she said.

[Raetary]

I mean, Anduin has described how domination affects him.

I just considered his depression to come from that.
Sure he didn't go through regular physical torture, but i know i wouldn't be exactly happy dappy after my mind was repeatedly forced to stand under a cognitive hydraulic press.
I don't think anyone would.

[Nymrohd]

I mean, Anduin has described how domination affects him.

I just considered his depression to come from that.
Sure he didn't go through regular physical torture, but i know i wouldn't be exactly happy dappy after my mind was repeatedly forced to stand under a cognitive hydralic press.
I don't think anyone would.

I am not saying it's not horrible. It just feels very out of place for Warcraft. Every single player has gone through and done worse at one quest or another to not mention the NPCs. It would be interesting if it was presented as "you don't have to feel forced to power through trauma, take your time" but while I appreciate that message it just feels out of place in WoW.

[Soulwind]

Fiction needs to reflect our modern problems.

Says who. Fiction needs to be fictional. Entertainment needs to be entertaining. Everything else is up to the author.

[Calfredd]

Am I wrong tho? Fiction needs to reflect our modern problems. And Turalyon is definitely a relic of a bygone era. He is the embodiment of the Mighty Whitey trope, which is a racist trope. Through him, Blizzard writers can touch on many of the current issues of our society.

Declaring The 5th Element racist with no follow-up and now this nonsense? You sure you aren't the racist one here?

[Nymrohd]

Says who. Fiction needs to be fictional. Entertainment needs to be entertaining. Everything else is up to the author.

I could agree with that point for fiction; it would reflect reality especially if it is set up at a version of current time.
But fantasy fiction is very much different. The better fantasy fiction usually extrapolates fantasy cultures out of the sociological evidence accrued in human history by exploring how fantasy elements would lead to deviations instead of incessantly projecting the writer's zeitgeist on a reality with vastly different variables.
Azeroth is a world where people either could interact with their gods (trolls, pandaren) or live at a time when their religion alters radically as their god's actual reality is exposed (Kaldorei, Humans), live in a world where the afterlife is suddenly not just fully understood but readily accessible even to random civilians, a world that has been invaded by various forms of space aliens and suffered multiple catastrophes that could have been reality ending. A world were there can be no presumption of safety at any point in the last few decades (and given the monstrous populations, nor could there really be before the events of WCI outside a very few urban centers). Honestly writing fantasy fiction as if it's just fiction only with fantasy elements in it seems so lazy to me and breaks any verisimilititude.

[Fiercelord]

No way someone is actually suggesting that

[Nymrohd]

Declaring The 5th Element racist with no follow-up and now this nonsense? You sure you aren't the racist one here?

While I don't think racist is the proper term, there is a large number of people in the WoW community that treat the Light as fascist. The notion existed even before X'era and definitely became very popular with the Mag'har recruitment scenario.

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Well that was quite the ending to Sylvanas' story, wasnt it?
Shame that Sylvanas' story has become to incredibly butchered that I barely even manage to watch it without recoiling. But hey, at least she is gone now, and we can hopefully never speak of her again.

Soon we shall have a 10.0 announcement, and I look forward to at least getting the bad taste of Sylvanas out of my mouth at that point.

The scary thing is, the hope was that she'd go on the fridge for at least a couple of expansions. But if Anduin really is joining her in the Maw, she may be back as soon as 11.0 which would be less than optimal.