Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Marlamin]

It was intended for the Death of Chromie scenario and was accidently shipped despite being dropped early on.

No indication of that being remotely accurate.

[Soulwind]

Ok so that makes it 5/6 confirmed Cosmic Forces wanting to take control of Azeroth (Order through Titans, Death through Zovaal, Life through Elune, Void through Old Gods, Chaos through Burning Legion).

So just left for us to see Light actually show its hand and interest in it

The seventh force seeking to take control of Azeroth is... Forum Armchair Developers!

[Shadochi]

Also still interesting to me what Elune is, she might not be just a Life equivalent of Titans or Eternal ones, her influence transcends how she affects cosmic forces. In SL we find out she can choose if Nelf souls go to the shadowlands or not. In Legion she restores the heart of a Naaru (a Prime Naaru at that), her power is at least at the level of the titans since she has a Pillar of Creation which are usually titan related. Seems like she also spans multiple cosmic forces to me

[Wangming]

But he'll only warn us about that threat with his vague last few words.

Exactly. You just read my mind. This will be unlike anything other. Even newer thank walkable water.

[Sondrelk]

But he'll only warn us about that threat with his vague last few words.

Also how him and Sylvanas never actually bothers to directly tell us what the plan supposedly is.

This has been a constant problem ever since Legion now. Why couldn't Sylvanas just have a sit-down with Anduin and other faction leaders and just tell them what she learned? Worst case they don't believe her. Best case she gets Azeroth to join her and the Jailer. She has almost nothing to lose by telling people what her plan is.

Why was it necessary to be villain supreme in BfA at all? The whole deal with burning Teldrassil is completely unnecessary for her plans as they are currently explained.

[Wangming]

Also still interesting to me what Elune is, she might not be just a Life equivalent of Titans or Eternal ones, her influence transcends how she affects cosmic forces. In SL we find out she can choose if Nelf souls go to the shadowlands or not. In Legion she restores the heart of a Naaru (a Prime Naaru at that), her power is at least at the level of the titans since she has a Pillar of Creation which are usually titan related. Seems like she also spans multiple cosmic forces to me

Which is why I want an Elune expansion and not a Dragon expansion.

[Shadochi]

The seventh force seeking to take control of Azeroth is... Forum Armchair Developers!

Would be a nice meta if they could pull off a fourth wall break

[Wangming]

Why was it necessary to be villain supreme in BfA at all? The whole deal with burning Teldrassil is completely unnecessary for her plans as they are currently explained.

The way I understood it, every soul that enters the Maw grants the Janitor more power. So she needed lots and lots of death.

[Soulwind]

Also how him and Sylvanas never actually bothers to directly tell us what the plan supposedly is.

This has been a constant problem ever since Legion now. Why couldn't Sylvanas just have a sit-down with Anduin and other faction leaders and just tell them what she learned? Worst case they don't believe her. Best case she gets Azeroth to join her and the Jailer. She has almost nothing to lose by telling people what her plan is.

Why was it necessary to be villain supreme in BfA at all? The whole deal with burning Teldrassil is completely unnecessary for her plans as they are currently explained.

They don't have to retcon stories if they don't actually tell the story. Smugly points at forehead.

Would be a nice meta if they could pull off a fourth wall break

As much as I enjoy games like Undertale sweeping the rug under the player's feet and calling them on their actions, I don't think the Warcraft franchise is the right place for such things. Not outside of Hearthstone, at least.

[Shadochi]

Which is why I want an Elune expansion and not a Dragon expansion.

As long as they remember all Elune lore, and not just make Elune=Life.

Like my headcanon is that Elune was the original seed of a seventh force and azeroth is what she is nurturing as an offspring. Maybe she is allowing everything because she needs the cosmic forces mixed (and not a cosmos divided)

[huth]

They should be based on the August Celestials since they are already Wild Gods. Black Ox form for bear, white tiger for cat, red crane for moonkin, and jade serpent for incarnation: tree of life.

Based on their behaviour and focus, i'd swap crane and serpent.

[draugril]

As long as they remember all Elune lore, and not just make Elune=Life.

Like my headcanon is that Elune was the original seed of a seventh force and azeroth is what she is nurturing as an offspring. Maybe she is allowing everything because she needs the cosmic forces mixed (and not a cosmos divided)

I think the Elune interaction in Shadowlands was a step too far. She is interesting because of the mystery. Once revealed, she loses everything that made her interesting.

[guro-tchai]

Sounds original, isn't it?

it's only makes it more likely lol.
but it would be better if they acknowledged that elves on both factions tortured naaru for personal gain - a sacrilege from the light's pov. the army issues an ultimatum to give up all the elves for a forceful extraction of light/void particles from their bodies along with ceding Sunwell with M'uuru inside to them. we refuse, they declare fatwa on everyone.
even more interesting if they claim moral highground, referring to the fact that we allowed torturing beings of pure light and compassion - while themselves distilling the elves alive and putting the motto "in the light we are one" into practice by routinely capturing the souls of their fallen to be made into soul amalgamations. kills them definitevely, no SL nonsense.
Turalyon is brought into all this because of his guilt for allowing Xe'ra to be destroyed, not being the hero of her prophecy, then his son/state of Lordaeron/etc, it's simple and therefore probable.

[Soulwind]

I think the Elune interaction in Shadowlands was a step too far. She is interesting because of the mystery. Once revealed, she loses everything that made her interesting.

You mean like Titans, Old Gods, the Burning Legion and the realm of death?

[Wangming]

As long as they remember all Elune lore, and not just make Elune=Life.

Like my headcanon is that Elune was the original seed of a seventh force and azeroth is what she is nurturing as an offspring. Maybe she is allowing everything because she needs the cosmic forces mixed (and not a cosmos divided)

With the night warrior stuff, Elune is definitely not just life. Hell before the official Shadowlands reveal and Eternal Ones, I was fairly positive that Elune was a death goddess. If not THE death goddess. Obviously that role went to the Winter Queen, but I maintain that she has a darker side. At any rate she is more loyal to her sister than to her people.

[Shadochi]

I think the Elune interaction in Shadowlands was a step too far. She is interesting because of the mystery. Once revealed, she loses everything that made her interesting.

To be honest only thing too far was WQueen referencing her as sister, but even that doesn't mean her actual sister. She probably meant that in the way that both of them are strongly tied to nature.

Her allowing nelf souls to pass through the afterlife and not stopping the burning is at least well explained that she would help her sister in a time of need (drought) by bringing more souls, but not even she knew that all souls are going to the maw.

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With the night warrior stuff, Elune is definitely not just life. Hell before the official Shadowlands reveal and Eternal Ones, I was fairly positive that Elune was a death goddess. If not THE death goddess. Obviously that role went to the Winter Queen, but I maintain that she has a darker side. At any rate she is more loyal to her sister than to her people.

Oh that definitely, what I'm saying is I hope they remember all of that and not rewrite he as just the life counterpart of WQueen

[draugril]

You mean like Titans, Old Gods, the Burning Legion and the realm of death?

Exactly like that. Although Titans I feel received a decent enough payoff with Legion. The issue there is that they're significantly less interesting if we ever revisit them.

[Marlamin]

Eternity's End OST now up on Spotify.

https://open.spotify.com/album/33js6...QU6PueCcr04qFA

[Shadochi]

Doin the Sylavanas quest now (EU) and Oribos definitely looks better when the lower central circle is filled out with NPCs

[Raetary]

Well, balance is kinda Lifes major theme.
Life-Death
Sun-Moon
Day-Night
Light-Shadows

Maybe Elune has a bit of power of everything because striking a balance is her job?