Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Foolicious]

the EoA leak mentions this as one of the customisation options

i personally see this as a point towards yes because we have multiple mentions about an eternal sun and taurens dont worship elune

Where does an eternal sun gets mentioned? Its the first time i hear this.

In regards to the Xal'atath talk a few pages back, I always figured she was an Old God of some sort given how she talked, particularly the line she says in the Halls of Valor:

"It is ironic that the weakest of us may be the ultimate victor. C'Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y'Shaarj, and... well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be."

While she does not say another name, she does most likely mean N'Zoth, but what was always curious was her usage of "us", putting herself alongside them.

She definetly talks about n'zoth. She teases him in a few voicelines but only uses his name once or so.
Also its very likely she's an old god. While her ingame rumored origin may be a reference to the old gods being retconned from five to four it's in their nature to wage war against each other until theres only one left.
I still want her back. Bae Blade was my favorite thing about legion.

[Wangming]

Found this on 4chan



https://boards.4channel.org/vg/thread/378157005

Jesus Christ this leak season is bad. I still think mine is the best one and I was only half serious with it.

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Yea, the 'stay a while and listen' between Bolvar and Darion I accidentally stumbled upon yesterday made me think the same. Perhaps my hopes for Dragon Isles were a bit premature.

On one hand some Scourge action would fit the Tirisfall revamp and the change in leadership for the Forsaken. But one the other hand another undead expansion after we spent two years in the Shadowlands, sounds like a poor business decision. Unless it is all super edgy gothic shit like Drustvarr and Renvedreth. In that case, sign me the fuck up.

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I mean, I made it lol. But I did it in like 15 minutes using AI and then slapped the Warcraft text on top. It was never meant to be convincing and it's kinda weird that someone would use it to make a fake leak on 4chan when I already used it here on the forums for my TA speculation thread. Shit makes no sense.

It's 4chan, what did you expect?

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It's 4chan, what did you expect?

I guess so. The funniest part about that leak is that they would add a Pirate class at the cost of "reworking" Outlaw Rogues. Oof. Reminds me of how they "reworked" certain Warlock abilities when they added Demon Hunters.

[Nymrohd]

Eh, some were cool. I did love the mage class hall, to be sure. Warrior? Meh. Monk? Eh again. And so forth. Persona l taste, I realize, but I'm really glad I'm not stuck at most of them again.

I think many are decent. I will absolutely agree with Warrior. I honestly felt that the Warrior campaign and hall should have been available to ALL players. (I'd have actually had KJ DESTROY Dalaran because the Legion barely felt like a threat, then we'd move to the Halls. It could be a secondary max level story to Suramar, involving the Legion collecting the remnants of the Pantheon's souls, could even have integrated legendaries and titanforging in it).
I think Monk was pretty solid. It gave us back access to a very large area that should never have become inaccessible to begin with that has a lot of flavor. Sure it is entirely Pandaren but the class' flavor is entirely Pandaren and they never really managed to find a middle ground for that. THey could with class skins I suppose (I could see windwalker and brewmaster being the base for a blademaster skin or an anchorite skin for followers of the Light)
I both loved and was disappointed by the Paladin one (why make it underground and then have an underground cathedral with massive windows???). Priest was imo nearly as bad as Warrior. The rest were mostly good (Rogue, Mage, Druid, DH, Shaman and Warlock were all perfect. DK was good but could have used a further revamp).


I know this invokes the worse parts of this thread . . .but do people here think class skins have any chance of being a feature they'd consider or even implement next xpac? I know people would love a new class but class skins would offer vastly more customization.



Also, one more throne is left Vacant with the 9.2.5. The FROZEN Throne. What if Calia does not claim the Throne of Lordaeron but rather claims the Frozen Throne under Sa'ara's guidance. The Light has made a deal with the enemy of all. Somehow the Light created undeath. Calia Menethil for Lich King. Undeath would actually be a solution to the Naaru lifecycle; what if it was possible for a Naaru to turn undead, merging Death into its lifecycle and thus avoiding the void state. Calia could then be the one to open the way for Yrel.

[Makorus]

so we have that EoA leak with a few points in their favor

1. khadgar returns
2. heritage weapons
3. sun form for balance druids
4. reindeer mount

1. they have him in and show "oh hey hes here checking stuff out" which seems very random but might just be there to kinda let people see him again to remind us he exists
2. kinda common sense it was going to happen but i dont think anyone else guessed it
3. we are getting a lot of talk about the eternal sun and it makes sense for tauren druids
4. its in the files

im going to sit here high on hopium for a while because while some things in that leak irk me (like the class not being based on wrathion and his agents) i do like the whole idea of "heres a new class with new powers and they have to integrate themselves into fighting with others" and im definitely saving the free boost for it UNLESS there is a heritage set for the class

You mean the leak that said heritage weapons would be coming to vendors, when they are clearly not on vendors, said we would be getting a reindeer mount, when we are not getting a reindeer mount, but a sled mount, and there is clearly no customization for any of the races in 9.2.5?

Oh yeah, that is also the leak that for some reason decided Mag'har Orc Warlock would ever be a thing LMAO

It mentions all these things, yet it does not mention the continuation of Heritage Quests, which are CLOSELY linked to Heritage Weapons.

That leak is clearly fake.

[Wangming]

I guess so. The funniest part about that leak is that they would add a Pirate class at the cost of "reworking" Outlaw Rogues. Oof. Reminds me of how they "reworked" certain Warlock abilities when they added Demon Hunters.

Well if you ask me every rework in Legion was dogshit. Too many skills were removed so that they can re-add them with artifact weapons. Leveling was completely gutted with sometimes 8 levels of nothing new.

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I know this invokes the worse parts of this thread . . .but do people here think class skins have any chance of being a feature they'd consider or even implement next xpac? I know people would love a new class but class skins would offer vastly more customization.

Honestly I could see it happening and it would make quite a lot of sense. Basically an extension of race-specific druid forms. I think we already talked about how Ghostwolf only makes sense to orcs, so it should be replaced for others. This could lead to straight-up class skins. Blood Knight and Sunwalker for Paladins, Tidesage for Shamans. Dark Ranger for Hunters...yeah there could be a lot. Not sure where I would put Blademaster or Shadow Hunter, but they could also work.

[Santandame]

It was, Council of Glades was around when we were speculating about 8.0, and then 9.0 speculation was also bringing up Lordaeron because of the mess BfA left.

Council of Glades was during the speculation leading up to Legion.

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so we have that EoA leak with a few points in their favor

1. khadgar returns
2. heritage weapons
3. sun form for balance druids
4. reindeer mount

Eh, not really. That entire "leak" reads more like a wishlist than a genuine leak. There's way too much info and they put too much effort into formatting the post to look neat. I'm expecting the real leak to be poorly formatted with bad grammar and spelling errors.

1. Khadgar returning only makes sense and it's been at the forefront of multiple leaks since 2018 or so. People want Khadgar to come back so of course they're going to include that in their "leaks".

2. Heritage weapons have been known about for years now. Blizzard was originally planning to add them in 7.3.5, but they got scrapped. It's good to see them do something with them now but this is old news.

3. I don't know what that is, first time I'm hearing about it.

4. No idea what that is either.

EoA isn't a real leak. Even the acronym is stupid since it shares the acronym with a Legion dungeon (Eye of Azshara). What would the acronym even be short for here anyway? Eye of Alexstrasza? Lol.

[Sondrelk]

You mean the leak that said heritage weapons would be coming to vendors, when they are clearly not on vendors, said we would be getting a reindeer mount, when we are not getting a reindeer mount, but a sled mount, and there is clearly no customization for any of the races in 9.2.5?

Oh yeah, that is also the leak that for some reason decided Mag'har Orc Warlock would ever be a thing LMAO

It mentions all these things, yet it does not mention the continuation of Heritage Quests, which are CLOSELY linked to Heritage Weapons.

That leak is clearly fake.

Don't forget how it somehow manages to miss the fact that SL season 4 will have Raids+.
Seems like the kind of massive announcement that would overshadow pretty much anything since it's a feature that players have wanted for ages.

But hey, maybe this vaguely defined worker position the leaker has somehow knows intimate details of the next expansion, the cosmetics being added in the next patches, customization options, but is completely unaware of systems. Maybe the company BBQ went awry one time and the systems designers now work in a sealed bunker.

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4. No idea what that is either.

There is a datamined mount that looks exactly like the sleigh that flies around Ironforge and Orgrimmar during Winter Veil being added in 9.2.5.
Reindeers are a part of it, but not really to the point where you would focus on that rather than it being Santa's sleigh.

[Nymrohd]

Well if you ask me every rework in Legion was dogshit. Too many skills were removed so that they can re-add them with artifact weapons. Leveling was completely gutted with sometimes 8 levels of nothing new.

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Honestly I could see it happening and it would make quite a lot of sense. Basically an extension of race-specific druid forms. I think we already talked about how Ghostwolf only makes sense to orcs, so it should be replaced for others. This could lead to straight-up class skins. Blood Knight and Sunwalker for Paladins, Tidesage for Shamans. Dark Ranger for Hunters...yeah there could be a lot. Not sure where I would put Blademaster or Shadow Hunter, but they could also work.

I could see Blademasters as Monks. They have a very similar style (blademasters and monk beads) they have a similar fighting style (more about dexterity and speed), Xuen and Niuzao could be replaced by elemental spirits/wolves. You could also have different ways to acquire class skins. Some could be nearly automatic or at least available in questing as soon as you roll your character. Others could be more complex.
And yeah I'd like more customization in general. Even without class skins, so many things could be tweaked. E.g. you could select who your Demonic Tyrant would be as demo; warlocks did capture the Twin Eredar and imagine if you summoned Alythess instead of a random Eredar dude.

[Bsirk]

I know this invokes the worse parts of this thread . . .but do people here think class skins have any chance of being a feature they'd consider or even implement next xpac? I know people would love a new class but class skins would offer vastly more customization.

I honestly have been putting some thought into this. With the Dark Ranger quest being worked on, the Blood Elf quest that resembles Blood Knight stuff, and the Tauren Sun Druid stuff in the leak, I can definitely see and get excited about if they chose to do this. Now am I wrong? I am almost 100% sure I am, but man it would be nice to have. I think it would liven the game up quite a bit. We only have 19 more days until we find out. lol

[Nymrohd]

I honestly have been putting some thought into this. With the Dark Ranger quest being worked on, the Blood Elf quest that resembles Blood Knight stuff, and the Tauren Sun Druid stuff in the leak, I can definitely see and get excited about if they chose to do this. Now am I wrong? I am almost 100% sure I am, but man it would be nice to have. I think it would liven the game up quite a bit. We only have 19 more days until we find out. lol

I mean on one hand, it is SO MUCH WORK for the art team. On the other hand, the art team is usually months ahead of the rest of the teams.

I will add this. Much of the playerbase, I'd dare say probably the significant majority, enjoys customization. But Customization is far less effective return on investment if the game is not alt-friendly. The more alt-friendly you make the game, the more characters people play and they more time they invest on customizing them. I've friends in ESO who have 4-5 different characters and each of them has a fully furnished mansion.

[Wangming]

What would the acronym even be short for here anyway? Eye of Alexstrasza? Lol.

Ear of Alexstrasza

On a slightly more serious note what is the general consensus now regarding the theme of the expansion? 9.2.5 seems to me to be super light on dragon stuff. In fact it has absolutely zero. It looks like a Northern EK expansion to me actually.
I mean here are the developments of the patch:

- Sylvanas is not returning to Lordaeron so it will likely go to Calia and Lilian.
- Anduin stays behind so the Alliance will be led by Lordaeron native Turalyon.
- Gilnean King acts as the only good character.
- Bolvar and Darion discuss the Scourge, which still kinda has a presence in the Plaguelands.
- The regent lord of Quel'Thalas plans to talk with the former king.

Call it confirmation bias, but to me it looks like a Lordaeron - Gilneas - Quel'Thalas expansion.
Granted the Dragon Isles are supposedly North of Lordaeron and West of Quel'Thalas. But they hardly seem to be the focus. I'm leaning towards a partial revamp.
- Rework of the Forsaken zones with less focus on Sylvanas.
- Lor'themar finally decides to be a king and rules over a revamped Quel'Thalas.
- Gilneas becomes a proper Alliance zone with a funcitonal capital city. Maybe with a rebuilt Greymane Wall to discourage incursions by curious Forsaken.
- A proper intro questline for the Death Knights
- Maybe a small trip to the Dragon Isles.

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I mean on one hand, it is SO MUCH WORK for the art team. On the other hand, the art team is usually months ahead of the rest of the teams.

I will add this. Much of the playerbase, I'd dare say probably the significant majority, enjoys customization. But Customization is far less effective return on investment if the game is not alt-friendly. The more alt-friendly you make the game, the more characters people play and they more time they invest on customizing them. I've friends in ESO who have 4-5 different characters and each of them has a fully furnished mansion.

If only dual classes were possible. It could cut the number of characters you need by half.

[Nymrohd]

Ear of Alexstrasza

On a slightly more serious note what is the general consensus now regarding the theme of the expansion? 9.2.5 seems to me to be super light on dragon stuff. In fact it has absolutely zero. It looks like a Northern EK expansion to me actually.
I mean here are the developments of the patch:

- Sylvanas is not returning to Lordaeron so it will likely go to Calia and Lilian.
- Anduin stays behind so the Alliance will be led by Lordaeron native Turalyon.
- Gilnean King acts as the only good character.
- Bolvar and Darion discuss the Scourge, which still kinda has a presence in the Plaguelands.
- The regent lord of Quel'Thalas plans to talk with the former king.

Call it confirmation bias, but to me it looks like a Lordaeron - Gilneas - Quel'Thalas expansion.
Granted the Dragon Isles are supposedly North of Lordaeron and West of Quel'Thalas. But they hardly seem to be the focus. I'm leaning towards a partial revamp.
- Rework of the Forsaken zones with less focus on Sylvanas.
- Lor'themar finally decides to be a king and rules over a revamped Quel'Thalas.
- Gilneas becomes a proper Alliance zone with a funcitonal capital city. Maybe with a rebuilt Greymane Wall to discourage incursions by curious Forsaken.
- A proper intro questline for the Death Knights
- Maybe a small trip to the Dragon Isles.

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If only dual classes were possible. It could cut the number of characters you need by half.

Class changing on a cooldown. They are adding it to Diablo Immortal btw. Wish ESO had it, it's one of the few things that are tempting me to try FFXIV

And yeah, I'm also leaning on Lordaeron. And the Forsaken very much need a focus because their race is so heavily defined by Sylvanas. I really wonder, have they even changed their quotes/emotes? Even their flag is Sylvanas' face.

[Pheraz]

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EoA isn't a real leak. Even the acronym is stupid since it shares the acronym with a Legion dungeon (Eye of Azshara). What would the acronym even be short for here anyway? Eye of Alexstrasza? Lol.

Elephant of Agony

Eagle Over Alaska

Ecstasy Overture Armada

Entropy of Azeroth

Euphoria of Edgar Goodwin

[Nymrohd]

Elephant of Agony

Eagle Over Alaska

Ecstasy Overture Armada

Entropy of Azeroth

Euphoria of Edgar Goodwin

EoA was obviously meant to be Eroticism of Afrasiabi.

I'll show myself out.

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Elephant of Agony

Eagle Over Alaska

Ecstasy Overture Armada

Entropy of Azeroth

Euphoria of Edgar Goodwin

I like Elephant of Agony. That has to be it. What better way to top the Jailer as a villain than bringing in a literal Elephant of Agony to trample all over Azeroth?

[Toxuvox]

Next expansion theme and title confirmed..........

https://www.darklegacycomics.com/812

[Wangming]

Class changing on a cooldown. They are adding it to Diablo Immortal btw. Wish ESO had it, it's one of the few things that are tempting me to try FFXIV

And yeah, I'm also leaning on Lordaeron. And the Forsaken very much need a focus because their race is so heavily defined by Sylvanas. I really wonder, have they even changed their quotes/emotes? Even their flag is Sylvanas' face.

Sylvanas face flag, bigass statue of Sylvie in Brill, "Dark Lady watch over you!" "Victory for Sylvanas". Yep, they need a paradigm change.

And yes the class change in FFXIV is awesome. Obviously you can't do it in combat or inside instances to make it fair. But it is very convenient. All professions and all classes on one character. The game isn't really alt friendly, but you don't really need alts.

As a side note they are in the process of reworking 2.0 main scenario a bit and a graphical update will come in 7.0 so if you haven't tried it yet, might as well wait till next expansion.

[ExiHext]

Explosion of Alexstrasza?