Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Wangming]

They simply could add generic bonuses to Torghast or the "pick another talent from row 2" Power and stuff like that. As for Legion, while they might not get a Artifact Weapon, they can easily make it work without the weapon. With no Order Hall there could simply be an NPC in Dalaran or something like that

I guess you are right. Artifact weapons don't really function now anyway, do they? Or they reintroduce the advanced leveling of Hero classes and make them start at 50.

[Inxotep]

Actually, so far nothing points towards any of this. We are still completely in the dark, but for whatever reason people like to latch on to the smallest pieces of "evidence" and form their own ideas of what's "definitely going to happen" even though we actually don't know shit.

All of the datamined Lordaeron stuff is about wrapping up Sylvanas's shitty storyline in 9.2.5 since the Forsaken need a new leader (i.e. Calia) and the rest is just about the Blood Elf heritage weapon questline.

There's the datamined encrypted emerald drake (probably deluxe edition mount), they've put dragon isles hints into the game since bfa, and I'm sure classic re-release success has had some influence, slaying dragons and what not. You gotta tone it down a notch or two or a thousand after the jailer.. We need another chill expansion like MoP, to start out with anyway. Didn't they also say it would be "more grounded"?

The lordaeron/belf questline might pave the way for the dragon isles, since thats where the isles location were intended to be. If not dragon isles, what else are we looking at?

[Sondrelk]

oh gosh they did us so dirty. I LOVE IT!

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I assume maybe they are taking a stretch and talking about 8.3.5? If that is the patch where Saurfang v Sylavanas but I can't remember.

Either way, except for legion there has't been such a direct pointer to the next theme. Even MoP -> WoD I wouldn't count since SoO had nothing to do with Draenor or AU.

Sadfang v. Sylvanas was in 8.2.5.
You shouldn't forget given that is just the final nail in how poorly written BfA was. Two thirds through the expansion the villain just leaves.

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As I've said before, I have no horse in this race. I don't give a shit what class they give us as long as we get something. Still, I genuinely feel like this makes Tinkers seem more likely to happen rather than less likely. I'm surprised so many people immediately think the latter.

In a roundabout way I almost wonder whether that is the reason they bothered to called it the Tinker Leaker, and not just Leaker. The supposed class doesn't actually have anything to do with Tinkers at all.

Probably best not to think too hard about it though.

[Foolicious]

So, question for all the class-theorisers in here:
How do you figure they would make a new class work with Legion's artifacts/halls and Torghast abilities?
Would they have to create brand new outdated content for them?
Would they just not be able to access that content or complete those achievements? That seems unlikely, not to mention buggy.
For the Mage Tower I guess they would just reuse the existing ones, but those two are a lot more specific.

Most likely outcome would be to ignore them completely.
Deathknights never got the missing 6 sets and demonhunter missed out on 20 or so tier sets? I don't think they would bother adding artifact or tier set skins for a new class. This also "solves" the mage tower for now. they simply don't get a set.
Thorgast shouldn't be a problem either when the class won't be playable in shadowlands. It doesn't scale so next expansion you probably don't even need the abilities to rush to the end.
Legion could be solved by khadgar asking you where you want to go and maybe tweaking the exp from quests a bit to compensate.

[Dracullus]

We don't have any confirmation what items works and what not for creation catalyst, right? On PTR right I know I can only preview it, Cypher gear didn't work but surprisingly 246 chest I bought in ZM token vendor did.

Maybe it's whole point of this vendor? Many people complained it doesn't make sense that you can fill whole cypher and get 252 gear from everything before you can buy 1st or 2nd 246 (it's faster now).

[Veluren]

In a roundabout way I almost wonder whether that is the reason they bothered to called it the Tinker Leaker, and not just Leaker. The supposed class doesn't actually have anything to do with Tinkers at all.

Probably best not to think too hard about it though.

Honestly, if they read this forum (or hell, this very thread) they probably got to see how insistent that group is, and between them, dark ranger, and dragon-themed class, Tinker is the one that's easiest to make a leak joke with, since they work with tech.

[Nymrohd]

We don't have any confirmation what items works and what not for creation catalyst, right? On PTR right I know I can only preview it, Cypher gear didn't work but surprisingly 246 chest I bought in ZM token vendor did.

Maybe it's whole point of this vendor? Many people complained it doesn't make sense that you can fill whole cypher and get 252 gear from everything before you can buy 1st or 2nd 246 (it's faster now).

World Boss loot also works. Which is widely unfair given that Cloth and Plate have two tier slots at Antros, Leather has one and Mail has none.

[Super Dickmann]

Sadfang v. Sylvanas was in 8.2.5.
You shouldn't forget given that is just the final nail in how poorly written BfA was. Two thirds through the expansion the villain just leaves.

The climax of the inciting incident of BFA took place within five quests involving no dungeon or raid content and culminated with the villain exiting the stage and the plot pivoting to a completely different track. The only way you can even know what the villain was trying to accomplish is if you take the optional, discouraged approach available only to one faction.

[Lady Atia]

Sadfang v. Sylvanas was in 8.2.5.
You shouldn't forget given that is just the final nail in how poorly written BfA was. Two thirds through the expansion the villain just leaves.

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In a roundabout way I almost wonder whether that is the reason they bothered to called it the Tinker Leaker, and not just Leaker. The supposed class doesn't actually have anything to do with Tinkers at all.

Probably best not to think too hard about it though.

Well to be fair they didn't made any fun about dragons or a world revamp although both are as used leaks here as the tinker. So I would guess tinkers are out for 10.0 while the chance for both a revamp, dragon isles and a dragon class has increased. Honestly the only sad thing about the joke post is the point about demon hunters getting more races - draenai *should* be able to be dh's alongside orcs imo.

[Shadochi]

The climax of the inciting incident of BFA took place within five quests involving no dungeon or raid content and culminated with the villain exiting the stage and the plot pivoting to a completely different track. The only way you can even know what the villain was trying to accomplish is if you take the optional, discouraged approach available only to one faction.

*yeeting off the stage in a cloud of smoke is the preferred way to say what happened imo

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Sadfang v. Sylvanas was in 8.2.5.
You shouldn't forget given that is just the final nail in how poorly written BfA was. Two thirds through the expansion the villain just leaves.

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In a roundabout way I almost wonder whether that is the reason they bothered to called it the Tinker Leaker, and not just Leaker. The supposed class doesn't actually have anything to do with Tinkers at all.

Probably best not to think too hard about it though.

Ah thanks.

To me even more interesting is that the Tinker Leaker is actually a bard

[Wangming]

The climax of the inciting incident of BFA took place within five quests involving no dungeon or raid content and culminated with the villain exiting the stage and the plot pivoting to a completely different track. The only way you can even know what the villain was trying to accomplish is if you take the optional, discouraged approach available only to one faction.

If you told this to somebody totally unfamiliar with WoW, they would think you are trolling. And then all that was followed up by SL.

[Dracullus]

World Boss loot also works

Good to know. Looks like doing just world boss and weekly quest regularly will give you tier in few months. I like to have a way to "finish" my alts that doesn't engage with organized content or PVP. In 9.1/9.2 they finally nailed casual progression for solo content, strange if tier creation (that for sure will transfer to 10.0 in some form or another) would ignore that playstyle.

[Super Dickmann]

If you told this to somebody totally unfamiliar with WoW, they would think you are trolling. And then all that was followed up by SL.

I've never seen anything like it. BFA offloads its own climax to a sequel and decides it's actually going to be about something else instead. And both the Sylvanas and N'zoth plots are at best only tangentially related to azerite, which was meant to be the introductory hook but ends up being written out of its own expansion. As an appreciator of bad narratives, SL's failure because of incoherent, pointless retcons and bad characterization is a much more boring kind of failure than BFA.

[Hyrja]

9.4 HYPU. what a day

[Revamp Man]

Most likely outcome would be to ignore them completely.
Deathknights never got the missing 6 sets and demonhunter missed out on 20 or so tier sets? I don't think they would bother adding artifact or tier set skins for a new class. This also "solves" the mage tower for now. they simply don't get a set.
Thorgast shouldn't be a problem either when the class won't be playable in shadowlands. It doesn't scale so next expansion you probably don't even need the abilities to rush to the end.
Legion could be solved by khadgar asking you where you want to go and maybe tweaking the exp from quests a bit to compensate.

It has to be a hero class

[Lady Atia]

I've never seen anything like it. BFA offloads its own climax to a sequel and decides it's actually going to be about something else instead. And both the Sylvanas and N'zoth plots are at best only tangentially related to azerite, which was meant to be the introductory hook but ends up being written out of its own expansion. As an appreciator of bad narratives, SL's failure because of incoherent, pointless retcons and bad characterization is a much more boring kind of failure than BFA.

To be fair the Warcampaign was the main focus of the marketing and one raid, but besides that the real main focus of BfA was always an Old Gods Expansion. And yes, they could have easily made two Expansions out of it but I guess they decided that they would want a propper void/light planes expansion instead of one focused on "just" Ny'Alotha.

And no, Shadowlands is 10000000000000 times better than Afrasiabis BfA shitshow. You may dislike the setting and the pacing was aweful thanks to the content draught but Sylvanas' story arc (in Shadowlands, not in BfA ...) was awesome and the epilogue chapter was the best ending of any Expansion so far.

[Wangming]

I've never seen anything like it. BFA offloads its own climax to a sequel and decides it's actually going to be about something else instead. And both the Sylvanas and N'zoth plots are at best only tangentially related to azerite, which was meant to be the introductory hook but ends up being written out of its own expansion. As an appreciator of bad narratives, SL's failure because of incoherent, pointless retcons and bad characterization is a much more boring kind of failure than BFA.

It gets better. the followup to the Sylvanas plotline reveals the big bad behind him and forces the player to try to stop it with no info on his plan or method just scary armor and a deep voice indicating he is a villain. The story that follows Sylvanas had a split soul and combined Sylvanas is not evil, so we should not be too mad at her. The main villain turns out to be preparing against an even bigger threat, but only bothered to mention it vaguely after we struck the final blow. How Sylvanas allied with this clown is explained in a novel published after the end of the expansion. Wooh.

[Sondrelk]

I've never seen anything like it. BFA offloads its own climax to a sequel and decides it's actually going to be about something else instead. And both the Sylvanas and N'zoth plots are at best only tangentially related to azerite, which was meant to be the introductory hook but ends up being written out of its own expansion. As an appreciator of bad narratives, SL's failure because of incoherent, pointless retcons and bad characterization is a much more boring kind of failure than BFA.

Don't forget how SL is barely even a continuation of the Sylvanas plot in BfA given how different Sylvanas acts, and how loose the actual connection between the two expansions are outside her.
You needed to play Night Fae to even get anywhere close to a resolution to the Teldrassil plotline, and even that plotline just kinda slowly rubs out of steam before it gets around to actually giving an explanation.

What even did the Teldrassil plotline resolve with? The whole mystery with Elune letting the Nelves die for a purpose doesn't actually end up anywhere.
Eline didn't let Sylvanas get killed because she was needed to rescue the Nelf souls, so that is something I guess. But Elune learns about the Jailer only after stopping Tyrande killing Sylvanas, so the timeline doesn't add up at all.

[Santandame]

I feel like the Tinker Leaker write up is actually moreso evidence pointing towards Tinker for 10.0 than against.

[Nymrohd]

Eline didn't let Sylvanas get killed because she was needed to rescue the Nelf souls, so that is something I guess.

That never really makes sense either. During the Covenant assaults, multiple Covenants (at the very least the Necrolords and the Venthyr) have quests about saving souls. The Maw Walkers save hundreds if not thousands of souls by themselves with Night Fae Maw Walkers saving scores of Night Elven souls. With everyone have free access to the Maw, the Covenants can save the damned souls far faster than Sylvanas ever could and given they need the anima, some of them will focus on doing exactly that.