Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Elflover99]

Darkfallen are just Blood Elf DKs. Playable since 2008.

Considering the book mentions that they don't decay and have red eyes, no. Both are undead elves, but the Darkfallen are like the commanders and elite troops while the DKs are the soldiers.

[Wangming]

Getting Azshara away from N'zoth was one of the best things about BFA imo. She is a much more interesting character when she isn't a henchman tied to a cthulu, and now she is free to go attack Kalimdor or whatever she wants.

Yeah that part is great, I agree. But turning Naz'jatar, one of the most popular speculated expansion settings into a brown, garbage filled daily quest grind zone, was a sin.
Also that weird shit of Ny'alotha being a dream version of a possible future or some shit...why?

[Elflover99]

They were allied with Sylvanas because BfA played up how they were essentially being brainwashed into killing their own family. Though of course, now that the story is dedicated to downplaying Sylvanas' evil deeds maybe they will re-retcon it into them being totally onboard with the Forsaken cause, otherwise there isnt really anything to stop them from going back to the Alliance.

Makes way more sense that Calia just sends them back, especially now that Tyrande is chill and would absolutely take them back in.

Since their inception Nelf Darkfallen just was an excuse to have an Alliance race that could be Dark Rangers, so it makes sense for them to become the Alliance option for Darkfallen IMO. I know people were butthurt about their existence in BFA but when they popped up it started to click for me why they existed in the first place.

[Wangming]

Really I thought that removing the water was the worst decision the could have possibly made to Nazjatar as it just turned it into another zone like all others.
Nazjatar should have been dark and imposing, with predatory fish and octopi swimming all around us. Instead it just ended up a zone where there were conveniently a whole lot of underwater organisms who just happened to walk on the seafloor no problem. Not to mention that the lack of water just meant that the zone could not really explore verticality like Vashj'ir did.

Though of course, it was really Hearthstone that showed how a Nazjatar expansion should look. An extremely hostile enviroment, filled with ancient and giant beasts, bioluminescent scenery lighting up the dim underwater areas. Only small isolated areas where you can be truly safe.

This THIS. Fucking THIS. All of this.

[username993720]

Technically Worgen already do...

Because they transform. Are you telling me you're gonna transform between Blood elven and Night elven?

And originally Kul Tirans were meant to have a toggle option to play as the skinnier version.

They didn't. It was players' speculation.

[Wangming]

Makes way more sense that Calia just sends them back, especially now that Tyrande is chill and would absolutely take them back in.

Since their inception Nelf Darkfallen just was an excuse to have an Alliance race that could be Dark Rangers, so it makes sense for them to become the Alliance option for Darkfallen IMO. I know people were butthurt about their existence in BFA but when they popped up it started to click for me why they existed in the first place.

Well yeah. And why on earth would you give undead elves to the Alliance if not to include Dark Rangers? Basic logic.

[ercarp]

Alright, the replies have kind of sold me on Darkfallen being potentially available for both factions (if it gets added). Which is good, because I would much rather get Darkfallen Night Elves for Alliance than weird Calia-looking things. I never liked the way her model looks, it's creepy (and not in an impressive kind of way).

[Elflover99]

Wait... during BFA, wasn't the Bolvar throne intro for the new DKs also an encrypted map?

Remember that the last time we saw the dark rangers for both sides it was with Calia. I think the Tirisfal Glades map might be the intro for Darkfallen on both sides??

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Alright, the replies have kind of sold me on Darkfallen being potentially available for both factions (if it gets added). Which is good, because I would much rather get Darkfallen Night Elves for Alliance than weird Calia-looking things. I never liked the way her model looks, it's creepy (and not in an impressive kind of way).

I think they will let Forsaken stand upright instead of doing a new race. Maybe add a skin color to look less undead. That's all you have to do to look like Calia and could distinguish a new generation of Naaru-rezzed undead.

[Khaza-R]

I'd love to see Azshara team up with Denathrius, there's something about them that I think would very well together

Denzshara would be amazing. Just imagine how arrogant the dialogue would be.

Plus she finally deserves to find a man she can fall in love with after being with edgelord prime and tentacle daddy.

[shoc]

Where are the red eyes?

Go to ICC right now and tell me what the Darkfallen wing NPCs look like

Not even the Blood Princes and Blood Queen have red eyes.

[Tartys]

We have humans, nelves, forsaken and blood elves, just add Darkfallen/Lightrisen customization directly to those races instead of wasting another race slot on a 5th iteration of elves and even more humans.

Long ago, when speculating about the new expansion after Legion, one of the hypothesis was an imminent clash between Light/Void.

I wrote, at the time, that it would be cool if players could choose to align with Light or Void not only aesthetically but also as interactions with NPC / Quests.

A bit like it would have happened later in BfA with the Curse of Nzoth and the choice between being loyal to Sylvanas.

I wouldn't mind if this thing about Darkfallen / Lightforged, instead of an aestetical "Elf-Fanservice", could be exploited in terms of gameplay, allowing players to customize they characters showing theyr pledge to Light / Void using also a Light/Void Covenant as hub.

[ercarp]

Remember that the last time we saw the dark rangers for both sides it was with Calia. I think the Tirisfal Glades map might be the intro for Darkfallen on both sides??

If Darkfallen are actually happening, then it would make sense that the datamined Tirisfal Glades/Lordaeron stuff are pointing towards the unlock questline for Darkfallen in 9.2.5.

[Elflover99]

Think about it. Both factions of Darkfallen rangers have a leader character. Belves have Velonara, BFA introduced Delaryn for the nelves.

We have an encrypted map that happens to be where the majority of Dark Rangers went after BFA, similarly to how the encrypted map for 8.3 had to do with preorder bonus DKs.

I think we're looking at preorder ARs.

[Khaza-R]

What if its Darkfallen re-using Venthyr animations and Children of Cenarius using Slyvar animations?

[Elflover99]

Someone posted this in another thread. Even if it's april fools, and I don't believe the slime saber part (the mount is coming but why would it be a dark ranger mount?) I think this is exactly what's going to happen regarding the Darkfallen.

9.2.5 Tirisfal stuff is NOT some Shadowlands epilogue, or Forsaken getting their home back, or a heritage armor thing like people have been suggesting. It's the starting zone for a new allied race in the next expansion/9.2.5.: Darkfallen.

They're a neutral race like pandaren, but with a twist. Alliance darkfallen look like night elves and Horde darkfallen look like blood elves. They can be warriors, hunters, rogues, mages, warlocks, and death knights. Maybe priests, but it hasn't been nailed down (like when they couldn't decide if Zandalari trolls should be warlocks or not). They have cool racials like one that works kind of like the venthyr teleport ability, and they can tame undead animals by default like Forsaken. Their racial mount is the slimesaber from that mount contest. Heritage armor looks kind of like Sylvanas's armor from Wrath with some vampire/san'layn-y parts and has a pants version and robe version.

In 9.2.5. the quest to unlock them will be added to SW/Org Embassies (they'll finally have an even number of flags!). You only need to do the quest on one faction to unlock them for both, and there aren't any differences in the quest itself save for starting and turning it in at either Stormwind or Org. Delaryn (Alliance) and Velonara (Horde) are the co-leaders of the darkfallen, and Calia shows up during the quests to help integrate them into the factions. She has a new model but the changes from her old one are not what you're expecting, so I won't spoil it since people will be saying "huh?!" and I don't want to ruin that surprise.

The quests will be available to all players when 9.2.5 goes live but only those who have pre-ordered the expansion will unlock darkfallen at the end of it. The rest will have to wait until the pre-expansion patch which will unlock them for everyone (so if you don't pre-order but do the quest in 9.2.5, you can immediately make a darkfallen as soon as the pre-expac patch goes live).

I'll share more on the expansion itself once it gets closer to the 19th so there will be more plausible deniability on who leaked it. Just don't be a Fool and share any of this until then!

[huth]

SL wasted our time.

So did every other expansion. I fail to see a significant difference here.

[Wangming]

Alright, the replies have kind of sold me on Darkfallen being potentially available for both factions (if it gets added). Which is good, because I would much rather get Darkfallen Night Elves for Alliance than weird Calia-looking things. I never liked the way her model looks, it's creepy (and not in an impressive kind of way).

She should have stayed alive. Her human model was cute. But I guess they needed an alliance friendly forsaken leader to replace Sylvanas.

[ercarp]

Children of Cenarius using Slyvar animations?

You mean female Draenei animations? Because that's what the Sylvar are based on.

[Khaza-R]

You mean female Draenei animations? Because that's what the Sylvar are based on.

True but with that special little gallop they have.

[Super Dickmann]

Alright, the replies have kind of sold me on Darkfallen being potentially available for both factions (if it gets added). Which is good, because I would much rather get Darkfallen Night Elves for Alliance than weird Calia-looking things. I never liked the way her model looks, it's creepy (and not in an impressive kind of way).

It's funny since her visual design is the only nice thing, or perhaps I should say two things, I can say about Calia.