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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    These are the estimates I posted in another thread a few days back:

    10.0 Announcement: Apr 19 2022
    Alpha: ~Aug 24 2022
    Beta: ~Dec 8 2022
    Pre-Patch: ~Mar 7 2023
    Release: ~Apr 11 2023
    While I'm sure the strike last year put a damper on things, I'm not really sure they'd release that late.

    At least, I hope. Presumably, the wait in announcing the expansion has nothing to do with delays, but rather the big controversy last year and the lack of a Blizzcon, they had to figure out a new way to announce things.

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    Blizzard isn't holding the announcement for no reason, usually, there's a full year time gap between the announcement and the release. I don't think this time will be different.

    We must bear into our minds that Blizzard can't fail this time. I mean, I'm on the horde side, and I'm having to play at prime-time to improve my score, but this season just started, this makes me wonder how season 4 will play out... it's kinda scary...

    The most deadly thing for an MMO isn't bad lore, bad design, bad balance, it's the lack of players. I still remember when HOTS started to have 10 mins queues and many friends I made there, myself included, stopped playing solely because the queue times had become unbearable.

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    My guess would be similar, but a bit earlier.

    9.2.5- June 7th
    Alpha- June 22nd
    Beta- September 15th
    Prepatch on PTR- December 7th
    Prepatch live- March 7th
    10.0 Live- March 28th

    Long testing phase, but that can only be a good think when you are revamping the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    Blizzard isn't holding the announcement for no reason, usually, there's a full year time gap between the announcement and the release. I don't think this time will be different.

    We must bear into our minds that Blizzard can't fail this time. I mean, I'm on the horde side, and I'm having to play at prime-time to improve my score, but this season just started, this makes me wonder how season 4 will play out... it's kinda scary...

    The most deadly thing for an MMO isn't bad lore, bad design, bad balance, it's the lack of players. I still remember when HOTS started to have 10 mins queues and many friends I made there, myself included, stopped playing solely because the queue times had become unbearable.
    ill say best case scenario seaon 4 will be shorter than 6 months because theres nothing new in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    Blizzard isn't holding the announcement for no reason, usually, there's a full year time gap between the announcement and the release. I don't think this time will be different.

    We must bear into our minds that Blizzard can't fail this time. I mean, I'm on the horde side, and I'm having to play at prime-time to improve my score, but this season just started, this makes me wonder how season 4 will play out... it's kinda scary...

    The most deadly thing for an MMO isn't bad lore, bad design, bad balance, it's the lack of players. I still remember when HOTS started to have 10 mins queues and many friends I made there, myself included, stopped playing solely because the queue times had become unbearable.
    Yep, Plus with them confirming a season should last up to 7 months, I think its clear that the 2 seasons arent going to be 4-5 months each. More like 6-7 months each.

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    Yes to that. And to the female version:
    Too low rez to be heritage armor. Unless you mean remaking it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    ill say best case scenario seaon 4 will be shorter than 6 months because theres nothing new in it
    There is technically something new though, the upscaled raids. Recycled content for sure, but in many ways a mechanic as integral it the game as M+ is if it gets carried forward.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    There is technically something new though, the upscaled raids. Recycled content for sure, but in many ways a mechanic as integral it the game as M+ is if it gets carried forward.
    they have to make the new affix actually meaningful otherwise sludgefist with the affix wont be any different

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    they have to make the new affix actually meaningful otherwise sludgefist with the affix wont be any different
    It's still older raids being appropriately scaled to the newest raids. Really the only thing it has going against it that I can see is the lack of tier sets that can be gained at higher ilvl.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Sigh.

    Blizzard began setting up the theme of the next expansion by sewing random seeds into what is usually the end of the current expac around cata.

    1. Cata- after becoming familiar with wrathion thru the rogue legendary character in the last patch he transforms into his whelp form and flies away claiming he’s going to “explore a new land which was once surrounded in mists”

    2. MoP’s siege of orgrimmar patch (last patch) literally included an entire patch zone called the timeless isle and introduced a bronze dragon character which would eventually help garrosh go to alternate draenor. The timeless isle and the bronze dragon had virtually nothing to do with MoPs story and popped up randomly at the end. Remember this whole xpac themes were similar to bfa’s: faction war which turned into old god stuff somewhat

    3. WoD- ended with archimondes defeat and hurling alternate gul’dan into our Azeroth. Obvi we knew this would lead to gul’dan doing some legion related stuff in our world… and thus came legion. Wow.

    4. Legion- ends with sarg stabbing the world with his sword. While this was a bit more vague, if u look earlier on in the expansion they were sewing the seeds for sylvannas acting sketchy with helya and clearly plotting something. There were also zandalari and kultiran npcs found in azsuna.

    Bfa- while Bfa ended with the old god nzoth, it had two separate endings. The initial A plot ended in 8.2.5 with sylvannas killing varok and team rocketing away to fulfill her mysterious destiny and abondoning the horde. Which we obvi knew at that point, whatever purpose she was serving we were going to become familiar with and we had also heard mumblings of bwonsamdi’s boss and all this death lore up untill then.

    To conclude, the themes thrown in at the end of the expansion are like 90% of the time directly meant to lead into the next expac. As blizzard has been setting up this story progression (hate it all u want) since MOP where before that, vanilla, TBC, and WOTLK and cata were all vastly independent from one another and didn’t spill into their predecessor.

    Whatever happens in 10.0 I can assure you, will have something to do with lordaeron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    There is technically something new though, the upscaled raids. Recycled content for sure, but in many ways a mechanic as integral it the game as M+ is if it gets carried forward.
    Honestly I think it would be an interesting idea to split current seasons in half. If we could get back to the perfect cadence of Legion (patch with content every X weeks) you could split each new raid season into two; first half has the new raid, second half keeps the new raid and also adds an older raid with a new affix. Could be combined with a much longer Timewalking so it's not just raids from the same expac. Would also be adding that Timewalking's Mythic dungeons into the M+ group (would require them to slowly convert at least a couple of dungeons per xpac into M+ ofc but every xpac has at least a couple of candidates for that).

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    Btw Icy Veins reports Orgrimmar ALSO got a stables area. Something tells me it WILL be the worst case scenario and end up being a place you can preview shop mounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    It's still older raids being appropriately scaled to the newest raids. Really the only thing it has going against it that I can see is the lack of tier sets that can be gained at higher ilvl.
    There is no problem with creation catalyst up and running from day 1. Better question is if we see new tier next season or it will be just S3 with higher item level to refarm.

  12. #34152
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    There is no problem with creation catalyst up and running from day 1. Better question is if we see new tier next season or it will be just S3 with higher item level to refarm.
    Heck they don't even need the creation catalyst. The Vault alone can solve tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    It's still older raids being appropriately scaled to the newest raids. Really the only thing it has going against it that I can see is the lack of tier sets that can be gained at higher ilvl.
    yeah some of that gear is nice at a higher ilvl but my guild already plans on not doing SoD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    yeah some of that gear is nice at a higher ilvl but my guild already plans on not doing SoD
    Honestly if all three raids are up at the same time you are really just doing whatever you find most fun. There will be some drama with BiS ofc. I will assume that Domination Shards will not work (but maybe they will and they will be changed somehow). Sylvanas drops some amazing gear (bow, quiver, daggers, trinket) as does KT (Jaithys?). Ofc the question is, will skips remain active? Will the final bosses all keep dropping higher ilvl gear (you may well be able to get BiS from just those 7 bosses, especially with Creation Catalyst).

    And that's not to mention that Karazhan and Mechagon had very interesting loot (as does Tazavesh to some extent). M+ vault rewards will be a lot better than usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Honestly if all three raids are up at the same time you are really just doing whatever you find most fun. There will be some drama with BiS ofc. I will assume that Domination Shards will not work (but maybe they will and they will be changed somehow). Sylvanas drops some amazing gear (bow, quiver, daggers, trinket) as does KT (Jaithys?). Ofc the question is, will skips remain active? Will the final bosses all keep dropping higher ilvl gear (you may well be able to get BiS from just those 7 bosses, especially with Creation Catalyst).

    And that's not to mention that Karazhan and Mechagon had very interesting loot (as does Tazavesh to some extent). M+ vault rewards will be a lot better than usual.
    Morgan Day mentioned in his recent interview with Warcraft Radio that they've heard "loud and clear" that people don't want dom shards to be relevant in Season 4. Which, like, fair, the helm+shoulders+chest slots would already conflict heavily with tier and would have made gearing a nightmare to manage between juggling 3 dom shards for that set+4 piece set of tier+your two legendaries

    Also I suspect alpha/beta will be starting earlier, using the time between announcement and release of previous expacs to estimate 10.0's release needs to factor in that previously, expacs have always been announced at big conventions (blizzcon/gamescom), whereas now Blizzard is taking the Nintendo Direct approach of just announcing it whenever they feel like it. If things were still how they had been, we'd have had 10.0 announced back in November of last year, or February at the latest with Blizzconline. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we get an alpha before the end of May

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoBisque View Post

    Also I suspect alpha/beta will be starting earlier, using the time between announcement and release of previous expacs to estimate 10.0's release needs to factor in that previously, expacs have always been announced at big conventions (blizzcon/gamescom), whereas now Blizzard is taking the Nintendo Direct approach of just announcing it whenever they feel like it. If things were still how they had been, we'd have had 10.0 announced back in November of last year, or February at the latest with Blizzconline. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we get an alpha before the end of May
    I would actually not be surprised if alpha ends up starting shortly after announcement on the same day. There has to be a reason why they are putting the announcement on that day, maybe its because they are sure they are ready with releasing the alpha at that point.


    Apart from that, how do you think the Announcement will go? Video or Livestream? Only a trailer / cinematic + gameplay teaser or panels afterwards?

    I for one wish for a long livestream (prerecorded I guess is a given), in the form of how they handled it at gamescom: Show a teaser, a cinematic and the feature trailer, and then talk about the key points in a 1 - 1 1/2 h panel. Afterwards, bring up the alpha so people are invested in the datamining etc.

  17. #34157
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Too low rez to be heritage armor. Unless you mean remaking it?
    It was added in BfA, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Honestly if all three raids are up at the same time you are really just doing whatever you find most fun. There will be some drama with BiS ofc. I will assume that Domination Shards will not work (but maybe they will and they will be changed somehow). Sylvanas drops some amazing gear (bow, quiver, daggers, trinket) as does KT (Jaithys?). Ofc the question is, will skips remain active? Will the final bosses all keep dropping higher ilvl gear (you may well be able to get BiS from just those 7 bosses, especially with Creation Catalyst).

    And that's not to mention that Karazhan and Mechagon had very interesting loot (as does Tazavesh to some extent). M+ vault rewards will be a lot better than usual.
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