Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Santandame]

I would only be happy with them if they somehow end up:
- being a 4th spec for all classes (5th for druid)
- being a 4th spec of specific classes

To an extent I agree, in regards to Bard.

Tinker and Dragonknight can both easily be a 3 and 4 spec class, respectively.

They shouldn't be gutted to being a one spec gimmick.

[Revamp Man]

I really can't see how anyone could be happy with the idea of these micro classes.

It's the biggest worry of the Dragonflight premise.

Remember the SL “leak”
This is about as accurate as that

Next time I make a leak I’m going with a basic ass name because so close

[Sharby]

Thb if they were to be thematic she should look perpetually pregnant. Also unless she is a weird oviparous mammal, the breasts never made sense anyway.

I mean that implies she would give birth in her human form and that her human form isn't just illusion magic.


If you want to befriend the mortal races as non-mortal, you take on the form of a mortal, especiailly one with "motherly" features. I think it makes sense. Unless this start of a weird fetish convo...

[Santandame]

Honestly I think it's also something that could have easily been misunderstood by someone who just got a glance at a couple of slides.

I hope so.

I would be very happy with fourth specs and class skins.

I just can't get behind gutting Tinkers and Dragonknight/sworn this way if true.

Bards would also be getting fucked over if healing only.

[ChairmanKaga]

A full world revamp would be the dream, not gonna lie! But I'll settle for a partial one, if I know the rest is coming later on!

I wouldn't mind this approach as it would theoretically keep the end expansion stuff relatively close to each other in proximity.

[Izalla]

You'll take my slum bar hiding a group of kingmakers trope from my cold dead hands

Gotta agree with this, I loved the shady slum sewer with the hidden doors all over the city to access and the badge you had to flash to get in from that one shop

[ercarp]

Interestinmg. SO what weill happen after 13.0? Will WoW just end?

End of the "Cosmic Saga" and back to killing boars, I guess.

[Izalla]

Idk I genuinely loved the location it's probably my favorite order hall tied with mage and shaman. That's just me though.

Especially loved the feeling of the door guard and needing to show the token. I dont wanna spout off about immersive but for me it was the most immersive order hall and storyline.

Exactly!

10char

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Interestinmg. SO what weill happen after 13.0? Will WoW just end?

We go on a treasure hunt with our friends.

[Santandame]

If Order Halls are returning then it would be the perfect opportunity to introduce both class skins and fourth specs.

Could even lock both behind a questline and mage tower style challenge. Just DON'T timegate either.

[Izalla]

The description of the Dragonflight's leak is interesting given the recent discoveries that have lined up with it but my main argument against it is how extremely off the mark it was in predicting the dates of the expansion's announcement. I can't think of a reason why an announcement would be planned for February and then delayed by an entire two months.

When you aren't looking at it with confirmation bias, it is still totally possible that the leak just got very lucky with a handful of predictions.

I still think a lot of the stuff that is matching up is exactly what everyone has already been guessing or could easily assume for a Lordaeron revamp anyway. Dalaran going back into its crater was already in a different fake leak and the Tirisfal Glades and Dark Ranger stuff has been known about for months, just wasn't used yet.

[SniperCT]

Man if rogue gets a 4th spec I want to be a tank, I've wanted to have a tank spec since vanilla.

I mean it's gonna end at some point. By the time 13.0 comes out game will be about 30 years old.

EQ is 23 years old and came out with a new expansion 5 months ago. WoW could easily go to 30 years old if they can course correct.

Given some creativity (and if the money is still there, which it obviously is for EQ) one could easily start a new cycle of stories after 13.0

[Nymrohd]

Yep Rogue just hasn't felt the same to play since. I miss feeling like a rapscallion vs just a guy with energy and combo points but not a cat that the class has felt like since then.

Honestly the Legion Class fantasy was such a success. At the end of the day one of the primary reason people play RPGs is to play fiction archetypes and to have a power fantasy and Legion combined both. It was a mistake to give up on class halls and a mistake to give up artifacts.

[KayRule]

I really can't see how anyone could be happy with the idea of these micro classes.

It's the biggest worry of the Dragonflight premise.

The fact that there are so many people in the wow userbase who think like this is why the game will never be able to meaningful change it's severely flawed fundamentals.

Micoclasses solve huge ongoing and compounding issues with class design, which has made the addition of a class such a monumental task. They made the right call with Demon Hunter and only 2 specs, objectively, in every way possible it was a positive decision. Yet then, and even now to a hypothetical leak, the fanbase can only focus on numbers and feeling like they're ripped off. It's the same thing with the level squish all over again.

Even worse, their proposed response is "actually I hope instead it's just more specs for existing classes".

[Fahrad Wagner]

Honestly the Legion Class fantasy was such a success. At the end of the day one of the primary reason people play RPGs is to play fiction archetypes and to have a power fantasy and Legion combined both. It was a mistake to give up on class halls and a mistake to give up artifacts.

I miss the Mage OH so much, and had so much fun as a Hunter and a Rogue too in Legion, they did a fantastic job

[Izalla]

Somehow accidentally deleted my post.

To iterate, while I think microclasses are a very smart solution to design problems, and having the entire expansion be endgame would be a very bold move and take several steps forward in the stagnating expansion design philosophy, I sadly don't think the text leak is real, just a lucky guess.

Missing too many things we know under the hood, LivingWorld systems, the new stable features. The incorrect dates given.

Unlike the original bad Shadowlands leak, I would be more than happy to be proven wrong, but too much doesn't add up.

Yeah the sheer amount of detail about the rest (way too much compared to 99% of the real leaks) and no mention of what the living world thing is about is suspicious.

[Santandame]

The fact that there are so many people in the wow userbase who think like this is why the game will never be able to meaningful change it's severely flawed fundamentals.

Micoclasses solve huge ongoing and compounding issues with class design, which has made the addition of a class such a monumental task. They made the right call with Demon Hunter and only 2 specs, objectively, in every way possible it was a positive decision. Yet then, and even now to a hypothetical leak, the fanbase can only focus on numbers and feeling like they're ripped off. It's the same thing with the level squish all over again.

Even worse, their proposed response is "actually I hope instead it's just more specs for existing classes".

Can you please elaborate on why you think that both Tinker and Dragonknight would work better as one spec only each?

Tinker has the potential for three fleshed out specs.

Those specs being a Tank, Ranged DPS and Healer.

Dragonknight has potential for four.

This is not about arbitrarily focusing on numbers and feeling robbed. We would be robbed of play styles.

You talk about solving balancing issues. What about PvP? If Dragonknight is tank only - what do you say to someone who loves the class identity of playing as a Dragonknight but also wants to play ranked arena. Reroll?

Come on. This does not solve any class balancing issue in the slightest. It restricts players.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Yeah the sheer amount of detail about the rest (way too much compared to 99% of the real leaks) and no mention of what the living world thing is about is suspicious.

The living world might just be a mechanic part of the revamp rather than some big feature. Like, enhanced meteo effects and NPC interactions. That wouldn't make it to the key features, it's more of a side bonus just my opinion

[SniperCT]

The fact that there are so many people in the wow userbase who think like this is why the game will never be able to meaningful change it's severely flawed fundamentals.

Micoclasses solve huge ongoing and compounding issues with class design, which has made the addition of a class such a monumental task. They made the right call with Demon Hunter and only 2 specs, objectively, in every way possible it was a positive decision. Yet then, and even now to a hypothetical leak, the fanbase can only focus on numbers and feeling like they're ripped off. It's the same thing with the level squish all over again.

Even worse, their proposed response is "actually I hope instead it's just more specs for existing classes".

The only way microclasses would work is if they let you play multiple classes on one character, ala FF14. (I'd be all for this, there was a certain level of freedom in picking up a new class without having to start your character over that was refreshing and welcome)

Though lore-wise that then becomes a little difficult. Have to explain how you could be a death knight and a paladin, among other things. Those are the two most anathema to each other though.

[SniperCT]

Oh I agree completely. Artifacts should have been permanent. Each expansion can give us a new one to work on themed to that expansion. Instead we get ugly ass weapons that look like vendor greens.

If not permanent, they could have rolled the concept into our base characters. Wouldn't need to raise the level cap ever again. (then they could make AP account wide and catching up alts becomes a lot easier.)