Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

"The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green."

"Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters' way."

Yes, I did quote both several times over the last few pages. Merithra and the five dragonflights trying to elevate their Aspects again.

[Wangming]

Yes, I did quote both several times over the last few pages. Merithra and the five dragonflights trying to elevate their Aspects again.

So Merithra is evil?

[Fahrad Wagner]

So Merithra is evil?

Not necessarily, but encouraged by Ysera to become the new Aspect of her flight, she and the other dragons might do something that either turn their little party wrong OR serves the Old Gods in the long term! It could be an honest mistake from the dragons

[sandini]

So Merithra is evil?

somewhere between the forces of light there should be a disguised female Nathrezim (If it is not Dreadlord, is it Dreadlady?).
Maybe it is Merithra?

[Wangming]

somewhere between the forces of light there should be a disguised female dreadlord. Maybe it is her?

Maybe. Also she was kinda locked inside Ahn Quiraj for many years, so maybe she's kinda crazy.

[Alanar]

I really don't think they'd blow up Dala, especially after Teldrassil and Undercity, if there was an opportunity for that it was back in Legion. Also it would mean destroying two order halls, that would be sad

It would be pretty generic if another city is blown up. We want cities to be updated.. not blown up because they think its cool. Well its not cool, its been done already and it disnt really end well.

If dala is put back It would be cool to see how it should have looked before it became some memesky castle. You know big lane towards the city.. and just have outskirts with villages etc. Basically fill the crater.

[Nymrohd]

So Merithra is evil?

I think that the green dragonflight is probably as compromised as the black one was. They have been exposed to the Nightmare for far too long. We saw it with the Nightmare and almost every one of them eventually falling prey to it, even Ysera, some twice. We saw it with the void flower in the cave after we defeated Xavius and then again with the Void invading during the Essence questline in BfA. Plus Merithra was literally standing next to C'thun's corpse for millenia; Arygos was as well and he betrayed everyone (and got killed to power Chromatus). Calen seemed fine but he died quite early (would be cool to bring him back as a void monster and throw him at Alex if the plot allows).

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It would be pretty generic if another city is blown up. We want cities to be updated.. not blown up because they think its cool. Well its not cool, its been done already and it disnt really end well.

If dala is put back It would be cool to see how it should have looked before it became some memesky castle. You know big lane towards the city.. and just have outskirts with villages etc. Basically fill the crater.

I mean it could be cool if it served a purpose. I don't see it serving a purpose here. It would have served the purpose of raising the stakes back in Legion but now? Meh

[draugril]

galakrond eating and generating corrupted dragono

By "generating," do you mean... pooping?

[Nymrohd]

somewhere between the forces of light there should be a disguised female Nathrezim (If it is not Dreadlord, is it Dreadlady?).
Maybe it is Merithra?

Merithra would be life aligned though and we know that they have not directly infil(most people assume the Light Nathrezim is Lothraxion; imo that would be too damn obvious).

That said "The adherents to Life are the most insidious of opponents, perhaps because their nature is so antithetical to our own.
Still, we learned much from observing the link between their plane and Ardenweald, and we have high confidence that a vulnerability has been identified.
Our operative has already gained the trust of her target."

Who could the target and the operative be? I am not even sure it's someone we know.

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By "generating," do you mean... pooping?

Could just have them bubble out of his constantly mutating skin.

Chromatus though was totally looking forward to raping a few female dragons so he can see if they'd bear a stable chromatic line.

[draugril]

Could just have them bubble out of his constantly mutating skin.

Chromatus though was totally looking forward to raping a few female dragons so he can see if they'd bear a stable chromatic line.

Although dragon rape has been a startlingly common trope in this universe, I can't see them doing it again in the current climate.

[Nymrohd]

Not necessarily, but encouraged by Ysera to become the new Aspect of her flight, she and the other dragons might do something that either turn their little party wrong OR serves the Old Gods in the long term! It could be an honest mistake from the dragons

Could be as simple as "Oh we can use this power source I found on Dragon Isle to turn us back into full Aspects" "Wait this power source was what was keeping the body of the fifth old god dormant. Hey Xal!"

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Although dragon rape has been a startlingly common trope in this universe, I can't see them doing it again in the current climate.

Really? Did woke people rally against the Handmaiden's tale or something? If the person threatening with or committing the raid is presented as unequivocally evil and the act of rape is not normalized but presented as traumatic, there is nothing wrong with using it as a narrative device.

[Wangming]

I think that the green dragonflight is probably as compromised as the black one was. They have been exposed to the Nightmare for far too long. We saw it with the Nightmare and almost every one of them eventually falling prey to it, even Ysera, some twice. We saw it with the void flower in the cave after we defeated Xavius and then again with the Void invading during the Essence questline in BfA. Plus Merithra was literally standing next to C'thun's corpse for millenia; Arygos was as well and he betrayed everyone (and got killed to power Chromatus). Calen seemed fine but he died quite early (would be cool to bring him back as a void monster and throw him at Alex if the plot allows).

Not only Ysera, but Cenarius himself as well. As the son of Elune and a Wild God he would be forgiven if he had plot armor against things like this. So bottom line is, the Nightmare is quite potent. I'm still salty it never became an expansion.

[Nymrohd]

Not only Ysera, but Cenarius himself as well. As the son of Elune and a Wild God he would be forgiven if he had plot armor against things like this. So bottom line is, the Nightmare is quite potent. I'm still salty it never became an expansion.

I'm salty they did not just make an expansion between Wrath and Cataclysm to cover the events of Stormrage and the Me'dan comic (but without Me'dan). We could have had the emerald nightmare xpac with a side of Cho'gall trying to rez C'thun. AQ redux, Rift of Aln as obvious raids.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Could be as simple as "Oh we can use this power source I found on Dragon Isle to turn us back into full Aspects" "Wait this power source was what was keeping the body of the fifth old god dormant. Hey Xal!"

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Really? Did woke people rally against the Handmaiden's tale or something? If the person threatening with or committing the raid is presented as unequivocally evil and the act of rape is not normalized but presented as traumatic, there is nothing wrong with using it as a narrative device.

It’s two different contexts, as in who’s writing the story and on what medium. A dragon rape trope in game would have a high chance to be handled catastrophically, just like the NE genocide trope was

[Pheraz]

N'zoth is gone, the void elves are the worst thing about recent WoW lore. Time to let it go. Old gods = permanently gone. Okay? Someone needs to give it to you directly finally. I'm sorry, but that's how it is. Also, Alleria is the worst Windrunner sister (and that's a heavy thing to say considering how trash Sylvanas is). At least Sylvanas is relevant.

Let it go, you will feel better. Just let it go.

Weird, I have elsa in my mind when I read your comment.

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
I don't care what they're going to say
Let the storm rage on
The cold never bothered me anyway

No, Alleria is actually the coolest Windrunner sister, if you like badass, tatooed, classic high elves/wood elves. If you prefer gothic elves with emo moments, Sylvanas is the way to go, obviously.

[draugril]

Really? Did woke people rally against the Handmaiden's tale or something? If the person threatening with or committing the raid is presented as unequivocally evil and the act of rape is not normalized but presented as traumatic, there is nothing wrong with using it as a narrative device.

The point is, it's a pretty lazy narrative device. Especially when it's in a fun, bombastic, and generally light-hearted franchise. I'm not saying that it can't be done tastefully, but is WoW really the place for it? With these writers?

[Soulwind]

The point is, it's a pretty lazy narrative device. Especially when it's in a fun, bombastic, and generally light-hearted franchise. I'm not saying that it can't be done tastefully, but is WoW really the place for it? With these writers?

Warcraft has delved in darker tones from time to time, and because of the contrast, they're even more shocking, like Thaddius.

But yes, I wouldn't trust these writers with anything serious or nuanced, they should either go with cartoony or grimdark, but nothing remotely realistic such as rape.

[Varodoc]

Weird, I have elsa in my mind when I read your comment.

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
I don't care what they're going to say
Let the storm rage on
The cold never bothered me anyway

No, Alleria is actually the coolest Windrunner sister, if you like badass, tatooed, classic high elves/wood elves. If you prefer gothic elves with emo moments, Sylvanas is the way to go, obviously.

Alleria is the coolest Windrunner by far because she remains true to her ideals and roots without ever changing.

Sylvanas flip-flops every novel, Vereesa went from homicidal murderer to crybaby, meanwhile Alleria has always remained true to her ideal of "Family > Country", which explains why she joined the Alliance upon her return to Azeroth.

And I'll tell you one more thing, once they catapult Alleria into the spotlight in 10.0, even those who don't play Void elf will realize that she is one of the most consistent characters in WoW, and that should be appreciated.

She gets a lot of hate from the Blood elf fanboys simply because she told Theron where to shove it and remained true to her ideals of choosing family over country government ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Wangming]

The point is, it's a pretty lazy narrative device. Especially when it's in a fun, bombastic, and generally light-hearted franchise. I'm not saying that it can't be done tastefully, but is WoW really the place for it? With these writers?

At least it gives Chromatus some motivation. Like what are her goals beside being an angry monster? I agree that "The female aspects look pretty hot" is not the best, but still a step above what we had with the Jailer for most of SL.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Yeah, I don't think rape should be used as a plot device really ever, but definitely not in WoW. It's a cartoony video game, we aren't playing though a historically-accurate account of some of humanity's atrocities. It's a really devastating thing that happens in real life, but the game doesn't use other similar things like drug overdoses in the game. It just doesn't belong there.

This precisely.

Warcraft has delved in darker tones from time to time, and because of the contrast, they're even more shocking, like Thaddius.

But yes, I wouldn't trust these writers with anything serious or nuanced, they should either go with cartoony or grimdark, but nothing remotely realistic such as rape.

Gosh I had forgotten how horrible Thaddius’ backstory was…