1. #36001
    Quote Originally Posted by Baedril View Post
    Taming undead did actually have some PvP impact, with certain CC working/not working on undead. It's why hunters who try and push the absolute limit out of their class will have both a normal raptor(Or other cunning mortal strike pet) and an undead raptor and then switch them out depending on what they're facing, to minimize the amount of possible crowd control on their pet.

    Demon Hunters suddenly doing holy damage could also have a big deal, with Blinding Light from Paladins not breaking on holy damage, that'd be an extra stun to try and kill in whilst being on a completely different diminishing return. Though I don't think that necessarily disproves the leak or the possibility of damage types changing, the effects of it aren't nil.
    That's a fairly good point—I think that the Undead thing has already been done, though, and the problems seem minimal, albeit not nonexistent.

    I definitely think that the Warden thing, aside from being lore-unfriendly, could also be an issue because of Blinding Light. Nevertheless, I think the differences aren't too crippling and I could 100% see class skins dealing different damage types being a thing, especially since it would give a strong sense of difference with minimal resource use.

  2. #36002
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Admittedly, that could just foster more conflict intrafaction—the Mag'har insist that they don't trust Yrel and lead the charge against the Lightbound, whereas the Blood Elves or at least the Blood Knights are sympathetic to the Lightbound and stand by them. This could create some intrafaction conflict that would be very interesting and push the plot forward.
    Heck same thing could happen in the Alliance. Tyrande consults Elune and disagrees. Meanwhile Yrel is aggressively evangelizing the Light across Azeroth; no forced conversions but sudden tension, possibly even among the Kaldorei and the some people among the Alliance who embrace the Light fanatically. You'd have Velen try to mediate and preach for acceptance among the Light users only to be killed in a riot. And ofc the Crusade could start targeting the Void Elves. Turalyon tries to find a compromise but things turn violent. Maybe Arator gets killed as well. Really it's not that hard to make a story with no clear villain. It happens in real life EVERY DAY.

  3. #36003
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Heck same thing could happen in the Alliance. Tyrande consults Elune and disagrees. Meanwhile Yrel is aggressively evangelizing the Light across Azeroth; no forced conversions but sudden tension, possibly even among the Kaldorei and the some people among the Alliance who embrace the Light fanatically. You'd have Velen try to mediate and preach for acceptance among the Light users only to be killed in a riot. And ofc the Crusade could start targeting the Void Elves. Turalyon tries to find a compromise but things turn violent. Maybe Arator gets killed as well. Really it's not that hard to make a story with no clear villain. It happens in real life EVERY DAY.
    Indeed—unfortunately, WoW is a medium where you have to get 24 guys together to go kill all the baddies with minimal thought or freedom of choice. This would be very good, but I don't know if Blizzard would want to do something so morally-gray and which would have to be so long-term, especially since players would be pretty much cheated out of the real storyline experience if they couldn't pick a side to some extent and for some characters it would be nonsensical if they were forced to pick one or the other.

  4. #36004
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    That's a fairly good point—I think that the Undead thing has already been done, though, and the problems seem minimal, albeit not nonexistent.

    I definitely think that the Warden thing, aside from being lore-unfriendly, could also be an issue because of Blinding Light. Nevertheless, I think the differences aren't too crippling and I could 100% see class skins dealing different damage types being a thing, especially since it would give a strong sense of difference with minimal resource use.
    I mean Wardens these days have shown far more abilities than they had back in WC3, with Cordana and Sira both being boss encounters and using similar skill sets. Both of which seem Shadow based, fairly close to subtlety (really all you need is as you said a Warden Mog and maybe a couple new talent options for Subtlety).

  5. #36005
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean Wardens these days have shown far more abilities than they had back in WC3, with Cordana and Sira both being boss encounters and using similar skill sets. Both of which seem Shadow based, fairly close to subtlety (really all you need is as you said a Warden Mog and maybe a couple new talent options for Subtlety).
    That's what I'm thinking. Just play as a Subtlety Rogue. I think that Blizzard could functionally "fill in" for a subclass or class skin by just adding an unlockable Warden transmog with the Glaive weapon that automatically hides your off-hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Didn't know there was something to do with Dalaran on the PTR. I could definitely imagine that being a new hub in the case of a Lordaeron-based (or Northern Eastern Kingdoms-based) expansion, I confess, even if I find using the same hub three times a little iffy.
    Yeah they are messing around with Northrend Dalaran. It also kinda makes sense to use Dalaran in a Lordaeron, Quel-Thalas, Dragon Isles expanions considering its original location. I'm not happy about it, mind you. This is the part I hope is wrong even if the rest turns out to be true.

  7. #36007
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Indeed—unfortunately, WoW is a medium where you have to get 24 guys together to go kill all the baddies with minimal thought or freedom of choice. This would be very good, but I don't know if Blizzard would want to do something so morally-gray and which would have to be so long-term, especially since players would be pretty much cheated out of the real storyline experience if they couldn't pick a side to some extent and for some characters it would be nonsensical if they were forced to pick one or the other.
    The initial premise is that there would also be some local threats the Shining Crusade helps with. Maybe the taint in Azeroth manifests in a way, creating Void Threats or even something completely original (heck maybe she IS a First One and what we get is more akin to Dausgne; corrupted automa). The actual intrafaction conflict would be limited to questlines and it would not blow up to full civil war until the very last patch. Then you get a raid that works like Battle of Dazar'alor only ends with a threat that forces all sides to unite.
    Last edited by Nymrohd; 2022-04-04 at 09:56 AM.

  8. #36008
    Quote Originally Posted by m4Zzo928 View Post
    Instead of covenants, there's going to be ultra gangs!
    Imagine a Shadowrun-style expansion. Necorcmunda, if you will.
    It became clear that it wasn’t realistic to try to get the audience back to being more hardcore, as it had been in the past. -- Tom Chilton

  9. #36009
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The initial premise is that there would also be some local threats the Shining Crusade helps with. Maybe the taint in Azeroth manifests in a way, creating Void Threats or even something completely original (heck maybe she IS a First One and what we get is more akin to Dausgne; corrupted automa). The actual intrafaction conflict would be limited to questlines and it would not blow up to full civil war until the very large patch. Then you get a raid that works like Battle of Dazar'alor only ends with a threat that forces all sides to unite.
    I could see it. I suppose that could work out in the medium. I do like the idea of more moral muddiness in the plot.

  10. #36010
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Yeah they are messing around with Northrend Dalaran. It also kinda makes sense to use Dalaran in a Lordaeron, Quel-Thalas, Dragon Isles expanions considering its original location. I'm not happy about it, mind you. This is the part I hope is wrong even if the rest turns out to be true.
    but Dalaran is love =((

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Yeah they are messing around with Northrend Dalaran. It also kinda makes sense to use Dalaran in a Lordaeron, Quel-Thalas, Dragon Isles expanions considering its original location. I'm not happy about it, mind you. This is the part I hope is wrong even if the rest turns out to be true.
    What if they blow it up?

    Like, they fly Dalaran there and you think it's gonna be the hub, but it's destroyed by dragon attack.

    That'd be something.

  12. #36012
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Yeah they are messing around with Northrend Dalaran. It also kinda makes sense to use Dalaran in a Lordaeron, Quel-Thalas, Dragon Isles expanions considering its original location. I'm not happy about it, mind you. This is the part I hope is wrong even if the rest turns out to be true.
    Dalaran could also just be a questhub/questing zone/ enemy territory for once.
    In the vicinity of the original Dalaran position are other big cities lorewise, especially after a revamp of the northern parts of the Eastern Kingdoms:

    Gilneas City
    the ruins of Lorderon
    Hearthglen/Cear Darrow
    Stratholm
    Silvermoon

    As well as many zones that could be used for endgame and patch content like:

    Zul Aman
    the Scarlet Crusade territories
    Scourge Enclaves
    Tyrs Fall

    Edit: thank you Golden Yak! same train of thought I had xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    What if they blow it up?

    Like, they fly Dalaran there and you think it's gonna be the hub, but it's destroyed by dragon attack.

    That'd be something.
    That would certainly establish a threat to be credible. Then again we just destroyed two cities not long ago. It's time Blizzard did something original.
    Ehh you know what? As soon as I get out of this influenza I will start working on my expansion concept. I have a few ideas already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandini View Post
    Dalaran could also just be a questhub/questing zone/ enemy territory for once.
    In the vicinity of the original Dalaran position are other big cities lorewise, especially after a revamp of the northern parts of the Eastern Kingdoms:

    Gilneas City
    the ruins of Lorderon
    Hearthglen/Cear Darrow
    Stratholm
    Silvermoon

    As well as many zones that could be used for endgame and patch content like:

    Zul Aman
    the Scarlet Crusade territories
    Scourge Enclaves
    Tyrs Fall

    Edit: thank you Golden Yak! same train of thought I had xD
    If we do 1-1 hubs like in MoP, WoD and BfA instead of one neutral one, it would be kinda cool to have a non instanced Zul Aman for Horde and Gilneas for the Alliance.

  14. #36014
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    What if they blow it up?

    Like, they fly Dalaran there and you think it's gonna be the hub, but it's destroyed by dragon attack.

    That'd be something.
    I still think they should have had KJ blow Dalaran up in Legion. The Legion felt like wimps after the pre-patch. Oh they killed Varian and Vol'jin but then we just send them home while leveling alts, steamrolled them throughout the Broken Isles and then went and killed them at their own home.

  15. #36015
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I still think they should have had KJ blow Dalaran up in Legion. The Legion felt like wimps after the pre-patch. Oh they killed Varian and Vol'jin but then we just send them home while leveling alts, steamrolled them throughout the Broken Isles and then went and killed them at their own home.
    It would also parallel its original destruction by Archimonde, which would be funny.

  16. #36016
    Quote Originally Posted by sandini View Post
    Dalaran could also just be a questhub/questing zone/ enemy territory for once.
    In the vicinity of the original Dalaran position are other big cities lorewise, especially after a revamp of the northern parts of the Eastern Kingdoms:

    Gilneas City
    the ruins of Lorderon
    Hearthglen/Cear Darrow
    Stratholm
    Silvermoon

    As well as many zones that could be used for endgame and patch content like:

    Zul Aman
    the Scarlet Crusade territories
    Scourge Enclaves
    Tyrs Fall

    Edit: thank you Golden Yak! same train of thought I had xD
    Yeah I want us to have adventures in cities. Corrupt guards, crazy arcane cultists, criminals, heck in D&D I've fought sentient arcane sewage.

  17. #36017
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Yeah they are messing around with Northrend Dalaran. It also kinda makes sense to use Dalaran in a Lordaeron, Quel-Thalas, Dragon Isles expanions considering its original location. I'm not happy about it, mind you. This is the part I hope is wrong even if the rest turns out to be true.
    ok just pointing out
    dalaran is in northrend
    we are going into a dragon expansion
    how many possible threats in terms of dragons do we current know of in northrend?


    ladies and gents i give you the prepatch event:

    Galakrond rises
    Chromatus revived
    the scourge wreaking havoc
    galakrond eating and generating corrupted dragons

    lets fucking go

  18. #36018
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yeah I want us to have adventures in cities. Corrupt guards, crazy arcane cultists, criminals, heck in D&D I've fought sentient arcane sewage.
    So true, back to the basics:

    Same bandits, black market traders, mafia/triad like gangs. (the hearthstone concept for Gadgetzan was awesome)
    A crazy Mage whose casts go crazy.
    Rampart Ettin clans
    A Oger warlord with a big Stronghold laying siege to a city.
    A dark Forest consisting of Treants /Ents who don´t allow anyone to enter. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    ok just pointing out
    dalaran is in northrend
    we are going into a dragon expansion
    how many possible threats in terms of dragons do we current know of in northrend?


    ladies and gents i give you the prepatch event:

    Galakrond rises
    Chromatus revived
    the scourge wreaking havoc
    galakrond eating and generating corrupted dragons

    lets fucking go
    Yeah this seems to be the general consensus regarding how the whole shabang will start.

  20. #36020
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    What if they blow it up?

    Like, they fly Dalaran there and you think it's gonna be the hub, but it's destroyed by dragon attack.

    That'd be something.
    Maybe that’s the true meaning of EoA…. Explosions of Archmages?

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