Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Santandame]

Well Blizzard will not use that solution. Instead the classes will have one spec that is more focused to what the class really is about and not worry about "How are we going to stretch this concept to two more specs?


The reason I'm using Final Fantasy PvP cause that's what I'm most familiar with when it comes to PvP in one spec MMOs.

Yes but why is that a good idea? Several people have listed several reasons why single spec classes won't work.

The one, and literally only one pro, does not outweigh the many cons.

[Wangming]

And as already mentioned countless times in this thread - friends playing together who want to play as a Bard and Chronomancer respectively. Unless the content they're doing requires more than two healers they are screwed and can't play that content together. What's your solution in regards to them? Reroll?

Again I'm going to annoy you with FFXIV trivia. There, the usual light party is two dps, one healer, and a tank. A full party is a two tanks, two healers and four dps. But that is only for matchmaking. If you go in with a premade party you are not forced into this composition. You can go in as 8 dps and go wild. Blizz can just copy this if needs be.

Also this all assumes that these mini classes will be literally smaller classes we pick at level 1. What if they are not? What if they are the new endgame progression system?

[Wangming]

I don't see them rehashing the Dragon Soul story

I think IF Galakrond becomes reanimated it would be more him being used as a weapon by some other evil character. Galakronds nature to transform based on magic he consumes would make for perfect opportunity for some cosmic forces war on Azeroth.

That's literally the opposite of what players want right now.

[Revamp Man]

I don't see them rehashing the Dragon Soul story

I think IF Galakrond becomes reanimated it would be more him being used as a weapon by some other evil character. Galakronds nature to transform based on magic he consumes would make for perfect opportunity for some cosmic forces war on Azeroth.

The cool thing is they can use a revived galakrond to solidify a new team of dragon aspects

Alex is the only one of the original aspects left and each other flight has new leaders (let’s face it nozdormu is gone long live chromie) and having them face the same enemy that led to the creation of the Aspects is a cool way to symbolize passing the torch

[Wangming]

I think single spec classes would be obnoxious to play, and it's not like you can change your class if you hate it. If it gets hit with a nerf-bat one patch you won't have the option of switching specs and staying on the same character. That character would just suck now.

Which again, would be solved if these were endgame progression choices. Like a polished path of the titans. They would end up being switchable. If not at release at least two major patches later so that Blizz can say "They listen to teh playerz".

[ercarp]

One of the main reasons I don't believe in the written Dragonflight leak is the mention of a "Dragonsworn" skin for SHAMANS (???). You can literally go on Wowpedia and do a quick Ctrl + F for "dragon" on the article for Shamans, or vice versa for the article for Dragonsworn or Dragon, and you'll find there's no link between the two. Shamans have had nothing to do with dragons, ever.

Not a single Shaman has ever become Dragonsworn as far as we know. The Dragonsworn we do know of have mostly been night elves (which can't even play shamans, kek).

And sure, you could say "well, that part of the leak is just fake information to muddy the waters!" but when you do this you're basically willfully ignoring the parts that make no sense so you can cherry-pick the parts that you like and make the leak seem more valid than it really is.

If people want to believe this leak, you do you, I have no problem with that. But I will deny this leak's validity to the bitter end.

[Nymrohd]

The solution presented by some is to give them a better than average damage dealing kit for this purpose, which would make them insanely broken in PvP as I've outlined.

I'm not sure what your points about the roles in Final Fantasy PvP mean in reflection of what I'm saying?

Also insanely broken in M+. You can fix the PvP issue by tuning differently, they do it a lot. But the M+ issue? The meta tanks and healers are almost always the ones who can do the most damage.

[Rae888]

If people want to believe this leak, you do you, I have no problem with that. But I will deny this leak's validity to the bitter end.

I think most of us discussing the leak are super skeptical about it anyway, but it's what we have, we're excited to find out about 10.0, and it's fun to speculate about how it could be made to work while we wait to find out more :P

[Fahrad Wagner]

One of the main reasons I don't believe in the written Dragonflight leak is the mention of a "Dragonsworn" skin for SHAMANS (???). You can literally go on Wowpedia and do a quick Ctrl + F for "dragon" on the article for Shamans, or vice versa for the article for Dragonsworn or Dragon, and you'll find there's no link between the two. Shamans have had nothing to do with dragons, ever.

Not a single Shaman has ever become Dragonsworn as far as we know. The Dragonsworn we do know of have mostly been night elves (which can't even play shamans, kek).

And sure, you could say "well, that part of the leak is just fake information to muddy the waters!" but when you do this you're basically willfully ignoring the parts that make no sense so you can cherry-pick the parts that you like and make the leak seem more valid than it really is.

If people want to believe this leak, you do you, I have no problem with that. But I will deny this leak's validity to the bitter end.

Because there is no precedent does not mean they can’t come up with it. After all, Thrall was a shaman who has worked closely with dragons, and dragons are descended from proto-dragons which themselves come from Elementals.

That being said, Dragonsworn would definitely not my first class skin idea for Shamans… nor the one I’d want most!

I think most of us discussing the leak are super skeptical about it anyway, but it's what we have, we're excited to find out about 10.0, and it's fun to speculate about how it could be made to work while we wait to find out more :P

Of course, and we need to remain skeptical as most of these leaks are utter fakes. I’m just playing devil’s advocate here and see how the information in that leak (which I like a lot) could work

[Sondrelk]

Which again, would be solved if these were endgame progression choices. Like a polished path of the titans. They would end up being switchable. If not at release at least two major patches later so that Blizz can say "They listen to teh playerz".

So really the whole idea of micro-classes only really works if the entire system surrounding classes as a whole gets changed to allow it?
That doesn't really strike me as a great idea if you have to bank on swapping around much of the game to just about make an idea viable.

[Wangming]

They wouldn't be able to be full classes. Devs have said it will never be possible to switch a character's class because of prior coding issues (including but not limited to exclusive quests and class halls).

Well, maybe they don't have to be.

[Nymrohd]

One of the main reasons I don't believe in the written Dragonflight leak is the mention of a "Dragonsworn" skin for SHAMANS (???). You can literally go on Wowpedia and do a quick Ctrl + F for "dragon" on the article for Shamans, or vice versa for the article for Dragonsworn or Dragon, and you'll find there's no link between the two. Shamans have had nothing to do with dragons, ever.

Not a single Shaman has ever become Dragonsworn as far as we know. The Dragonsworn we do know of have mostly been night elves (which can't even play shamans, kek).

And sure, you could say "well, that part of the leak is just fake information to muddy the waters!" but when you do this you're basically willfully ignoring the parts that make no sense so you can cherry-pick the parts that you like and make the leak seem more valid than it really is.

If people want to believe this leak, you do you, I have no problem with that. But I will deny this leak's validity to the bitter end.

I could see replicating a Black Dragonflight Dragonsworn using Elemental tbh; Lava and Earthquakes. Let Ascendance turn you into a Draconid.

Though really from what we've seen, Dragonsworn is a title. People keep their original abilities. Maybe they get a blessing from their chosen flight which would mostly be a passive; Bronze Dragonsworn for instance seem to all be immortals.

[Wangming]

So really the whole idea of micro-classes only really works if the entire system surrounding classes as a whole gets changed to allow it?
That doesn't really strike me as a great idea if you have to bank on swapping around much of the game to just about make an idea viable.

There needs to be a shake up if WoW doesn't want to descend into obscurity. Are micro classes the way to save it? I doubt it. Can I picture scenarios where they work? Absolutely.

[deviantcultist]

Thought of a theory that's a mix of my worst-case scenario and a likely one as well. We are probably looking at an expansion where a new cosmic threat arises and we fight it by forming the "Azerothian Dragonflight". Essentially a Cata 2.0 with a focus on a threat without faction war involved.

That Dragonflight consists of both Dragons and ascendants (new lore element), some of which will become this new class portrayed by Alexstrasza on the leaked art. That class would be a spear-wielding Dragon Knight (totally not FF Dragoon) and it will have a tank, DPS, and healer spec revolving around the Red Dragonflight flames aka flames that either scorch or mend.

There will be covenants in the form of departments (houses) and those will cover different Dragonflights that are now part of the greater whole. All of them will be involved despite the class itself being exclusively Red. Even though the cosmic threat exists, every line of defense will be carried out in Azeroth to keep things "grounded" as the threat will present itself through visible means such as Galakrond and/or Chromatus.

Vibes will most likely be positive and heroic, unlike Legion where things are foreboding and pushed forward by necessity and anti-heroic means. Now, add that to the current writing talent and observe the results. I know many might find this "awesome" but I'm personally dreading it.

[ercarp]

Because there is no precedent does not mean they can’t come up with it. After all, Thrall was a shaman who has worked closely with dragons, and dragons are descended from proto-dragons which themselves come from Elementals.

I did consider the elemental connection when I made that reply, but I feel like it's possible to create a connection between almost anything in Warcraft lore if you go through enough hoops to make it fit.

That being said, Dragonsworn would definitely not my first class skin idea for Shamans… nor the one I’d want most!

I'd be very confused if Shamans were the only class to get a skin themed around dragons in a dragon-themed expansion. It makes no sense to me and seems like a complete waste of the entire concept. Even if it wasn't meant to be a class, I'd much rather have Dragonsworn be the end-game progression system for 10.0 than a class skin for a class that has no relation to dragons.

[Soulwind]

Thought of a theory that's a mix of my worst-case scenario and a likely one as well. We are probably looking at an expansion where a new cosmic threat arises and we fight it by forming the "Azerothian Dragonflight". Essentially a Cata 2.0 with a focus on a threat without faction war involved.

That Dragonflight consists of both Dragons and ascendants (new lore element), some of which will become this new class portrayed by Alexstrasza on the leaked art. That class would be a spear-wielding Dragon Knight (totally not FF Dragoon) and it will have a tank, DPS, and healer spec revolving around the Red Dragonflight flames aka flames that either scorch or mend.

There will be covenants in the form of departments (houses) and those will cover different Dragonflights that are now part of the greater whole. All of them will be involved despite the class itself being exclusively Red. Even though the cosmic threat exists, every line of defense will be carried out in Azeroth to keep things "grounded" as the threat will present itself through visible means such as Galakrond and/or Chromatus.

Vibes will most likely be positive and heroic, unlike Legion where things are foreboding and pushed forward by necessity and anti-heroic means. Now, add that to the current writing talent and observe the results. I know many might find this "awesome" but I'm personally dreading it.

That... does sound likely. It also ties with the "a cosmos divided" crap: uniting the flights and all mortal factions against the Void or whatever.

[Recovery]

That's literally the opposite of what players want right now.

Oh, you must be new here to think that blizzard cares even a fraction of an ounce about what players want... lol

[ro9ue]

How is that idea any better?

What similarities does a Shaman have with a Tinker?

A Demon Hunter with a Bard?

Thematically your idea makes no sense whatsoever.

I hate to keep reposting this but here it is:

I found the way the leak broke down certain things interesting. Maybe we need to look at it holistically and put 2+2 together. I think it's possible this isn't 4 NEW classes, but instead SHARED 4th specs for certain classes. The classes where it maybe doesn't make much sense just happen to be the ones getting the cosmetic class skins.... coincidence?

Dragon Knight - 4th spec for Warrior, Paladin, Death Knight (unlocked by a Bolvar quest or something)
Tinker - 4th spec for Hunter. Doesn't make sense for Shaman so they get the Dragon cosmetic thing instead.
Minstrel - 4th spec for Monks and Rogues. Doesn't make sense for DH or Druid so they get the Warden skin and Nightmare skin.
Chronomancer - 4th spec for Priest or Mage. Seems weird for Warlock so they get the Necromancer cosmetic.

Hunters do get the bonus Dark Ranger skin, so it might be race locked:

Alliance
Ranger - Night Elf, Void Elf
Tinker - Dwarf, Draenei, Gnome, Dark Iron, Mechagnome, LFD
?? - Human, Worgen, Kul'Tiran

Horde
Ranger - Blood Elf, Forsaken
Tinker - Goblin, Orc, Mag'har, Vulpera, Nightborne
?? - Darkspear, Zandalari, Highmountain or Tauren

[Fahrad Wagner]

That... does sound likely. It also ties with the "a cosmos divided" crap: uniting the flights and all mortal factions against the Void or whatever.

And it would explain the weird use of singular for the expansion’s name. Hmmm…

[Houle]

It's this season's Wrath of The Bolvar.

Wrath of The Bolvar remains the second best of all time tbh
only topped by the one and only
https://imgur.com/XCHUYUi