Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Wangming]

I kind of like the cinematic transcript. Focuses on rebuilding, and Azeroth, with a nice view of the Dragon Isles.

Only problems I have are these:

1. It's a bit weird to focus on the rebuilding of our beautiful home, Azeroth, only to then pivot to a supercharged mini-Azeroth in the sky that makes everything down below pale by comparison. That will sort of diminish the impact of seeing the lush Mount Hyjal and so on.

2. I think whoever probably faked it made the mistake of looking at that leaked art print and deciding that Alexstrasza would be the main character. I don't think that's certain at all. I think that if the prints were real, they're likely just one of five versions (each depicting a different Aspect). Wrathion is more likely to feature in the cinematic.

3. Is what Syegfryed mentioned before his weird Tyrande rant. After one view the leaker gave a detailed description of the entire trailer and could quote all the lines. A bit too much information. Also some parts weirdly line up with our speculations (Dragon isles flying, Dalaran landing back in place) after we already discussed it. These things are always fishy.

[mutsuk]

Cinematic transcript leaks have also never been right in the entire history of the game. But it’s fun to talk about

Shadowlands leak was literally description of cinematic what later was confirmed by Bolvar still uploaded on blizzard shop.

[Wangming]

And people discrediting her crying for what was lost because she has been enraged past 2 expansions... have you never felt both? Profound anger followed by deep sadness? It could be a nice hommage to the NE to have them included in the cinematic

Yeah not many people know what it feels like to have your home burned down.

[Vakir]

It can’t be helped, you learn to live with it according to victims. Severe trauma is like a loved one dying but that loved one is you.

EMDR, DBT, literally tons of evidence based interventions can help with trauma when a person feels ready to get help. :|

Lack of a quick and easy fix =! "can't be helped"

Also, "people liked the SL cinematic except for people that can be universally lumped into a convenient group that don't count" is uh. Certainly a take.

[AngerFork]

Hard to believe the cinematic leak when it’s giving us full lines broken up like that. Anyone who has done transcription before knows how crazy that would be to get with any sort of accuracy. I’d believe it more if they gave general themes as opposed to specific lines.

Yeah not many people know what it feels like to have your home burned down.

As someone who’s town recently had a massive fire with hundreds of homes burned, I can validate this. I was among the lucky ones to not lose my home & the trauma is still strongly there months later. Can’t even imagine how tough that was for those who did actually lose so much.

[Zharikov]

Shadowlands leak was literally description of cinematic what later was confirmed by Bolvar still uploaded on blizzard shop.

Link? Because I think you're misremembering. The only legit Shadowlands leaks were the image of Bolvar that was in the cinematic, the banner about Bastion mentioning "the noble Kyrian," and... I'm not sure if the name itself was leaked, or if people just guessed that as one of many.

[Civciv]

I remember seeing Bolvar vs Nozdormu leak

[Vakir]

Shadowlands leak was literally description of cinematic what later was confirmed by Bolvar still uploaded on blizzard shop.

Absolutely wrong. The Sylvanas vs. Bolvar "leak" had him stomping her which would have been an utterly pointless trailer to begin with.

[ercarp]

And people discrediting her crying for what was lost because she has been enraged past 2 expansions... have you never felt both? Profound anger followed by deep sadness? It could be a nice hommage to the NE to have them included in the cinematic

Exactly. It's easy to become consumed by anger and thoughts of revenge, but once those emotions begin to fade, you have to consider that Tyrande still has a ruined home to return to. That's gotta be pretty depressing.

[Vakir]

Exactly. It's easy to become consumed by anger and thoughts of revenge, but once those emotions begin to fade, you have to consider that Tyrande still has a ruined home to return to. That's gotta be pretty depressing.

The main individual saying it's a pity party isn't exactly acting in good faith.

[Khaza-R]

Just my two cents on this Tyrande subject... I also don't feel like the loss of Teldrassil has been properly addressed in-game. Yeah, sure, Tyrande got to choke Sylvanas for a bit and throw a temper tantrum, but that doesn't change the fact that Teldrassil is still in ruins and that needs to be addressed properly sooner or later.

They did right by Sylvanas (in terms of WoW writing) by giving her a redemption arc and a novel. Tyrande's side of the conflict has barely been touched upon at all imo.

Pretty par on course for their treatment of her character.

She's gets almost no interactions with Vashj or Illidan despite being closely connected to those two characters.

There was that awful scenario in MoP where she gets schooled by Varian for being "too brash"

I won't even speak of Valsharah.

She's gets sidelined for Jaina in 8.2 when dealing with Azshara.

She's pretty much never given any satisfying conclusion in any of her writing. Although I do think she will inevitably be a central character in 10.0. With renewal and the green dragonflight and all.

[Wangming]

Exactly. It's easy to become consumed by anger and thoughts of revenge, but once those emotions begin to fade, you have to consider that Tyrande still has a ruined home to return to. That's gotta be pretty depressing.

It's like the adrenalin wearing off and you realize your muscles hurt like a bitch. With the anger gone you are left only with the pain of loss.

[Vakir]

Yup, and also anger is a secondary emotion anyway. You're going to have another layer of reaction even after processing the rage. It's usually just internal hurt externalized.

Fuck that, tho. Visiting the afterlives is a fix amirite?

[Kiria]

I'm not gonna lie that cinematic transcript sounds amazing and has a vanilla feeling to it.

[Nymrohd]

Absolutely wrong. The Sylvanas vs. Bolvar "leak" had him stomping her which would have been an utterly pointless trailer to begin with.

If I remember correctly, it had him stomping her only for her to reverse it with some bullshit later in the fight. Which would have been so much better.

[Ersula]

The main individual saying it's a pity party isn't exactly acting in good faith.

Again, the dead live on in the shadowlands. They're fine. She has no reason to grieve. It's not bad faith to point out they didn't think through the existential nature of this expansion. Also I hate Tyrande.

When he breaks it down like that, it sounds about 5% more believable, but I'm still not buying into it.

Have Bellular's theories ever come true? Besides when he waits for something to be canon & then takes credit for it? Like Garrosh appearing in the Afterlives videos?

I sense projection in your words, it's alright don't worry I understand.

The projector becomes the projectee, Stanley Alleriapová.

[Nymrohd]

I won't even speak of Valsharah.

I'll never understand the hatred for Valsharah. Both Tyrande and Malfurion are consistently strong there. Tyrande chooses her goddess over her husband. Xavius mocks them both because he hates them. Not to mention it's one of the few storylines in this game that FEELS fast because the stakes are raised with every beat.

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Again, the dead live on in the shadowlands. They're fine. She has no reason to grieve. It's not bad faith to point out they didn't think through the existential nature of this expansion. Also I hate Tyrande.

And they were tortured in the Maw. Judging by Thrall and Jaina's reactions, time in the Maw dilates significantly; they thought they were there for decades. We saved a few but the vast majority are still there being tortured by the Mawsworn left and by the very nature of the place until Sylvanas finds them to send them to the Arbiter. So yeah, your description of "fine" is kind of problematic.

[Ferlion]

Just my two cents on this Tyrande subject... I also don't feel like the loss of Teldrassil has been properly addressed in-game. Yeah, sure, Tyrande got to choke Sylvanas for a bit and throw a temper tantrum, but that doesn't change the fact that Teldrassil is still in ruins and that needs to be addressed properly sooner or later.

They did right by Sylvanas (in terms of WoW writing) by giving her a redemption arc and a novel. Tyrande's side of the conflict has barely been touched upon at all imo.

It's not even Teldrassil. Most of her people died. Sure, there were survivors. But over all, most of them died. Children died. The infant in Elegy who Tyrande named was there for a reason.

The Night Elves nation, culture. It was all destroyed. This was mentioned by Anduin as well in Elegy. It was a Genocide. And it's going to hurt for Tyrande. She's been the longest ruler in known Night Elven history, and sole ruler (and yes, this gets debated, but Blizzard is VERY clear. Tyrande was the sole leader until Cata when she forced Malfurion) for 10,000 years. She rebuilt her nation once. She disbanded royalty, and the notion that high blood should give special privileges. She rebuilt the infrastructure from the ground up after the War of the Ancients.

This, specifically, is why the Church of Elune is the Government of Darnassus. They were the only institute still around that had enough teachers and military forces and books left to even begin that. And now, Tyrande has to do it again. Imagine living through your entire civilization ending not once, but twice.

And then having to rebuild it both times.

What Sylvanas did to the Night Elves, and the effect it would have on Tyrande specifically, was beyond the pale when any thought to the characters backstory is given, and up until now it's shameful that both Night Warrior and Teldrassils burning and the dead lost have been used as ways to move Sylvanas story forward, instead of being examined on and explored as they should.

[Wangming]

And they were tortured in the Maw. Judging by Thrall and Jaina's reactions, time in the Maw dilates significantly; they thought they were there for decades. We saved a few but the vast majority are still there being tortured by the Mawsworn left and by the very nature of the place until Sylvanas finds them to send them to the Arbiter. So yeah, your description of "fine" is kind of problematic.

Most of the people I've known these past 10.000 years are now dead, but they are in Hell so it's okay.

[Raetary]

I'll never understand the hatred for Valsharah. Both Tyrande and Malfurion are consistently strong there. Tyrande chooses her goddess over her husband. Xavius mocks them both because he hates them. Not to mention it's one of the few storylines in this game that FEELS fast because the stakes are raised with every beat.

It was the terrible, shrill voice acting that killed it for me.