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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Exactly. It's easy to become consumed by anger and thoughts of revenge, but once those emotions begin to fade, you have to consider that Tyrande still has a ruined home to return to. That's gotta be pretty depressing.
    It's like the adrenalin wearing off and you realize your muscles hurt like a bitch. With the anger gone you are left only with the pain of loss.

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    Yup, and also anger is a secondary emotion anyway. You're going to have another layer of reaction even after processing the rage. It's usually just internal hurt externalized.

    Fuck that, tho. Visiting the afterlives is a fix amirite?

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    I'm not gonna lie that cinematic transcript sounds amazing and has a vanilla feeling to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    Absolutely wrong. The Sylvanas vs. Bolvar "leak" had him stomping her which would have been an utterly pointless trailer to begin with.
    If I remember correctly, it had him stomping her only for her to reverse it with some bullshit later in the fight. Which would have been so much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    The main individual saying it's a pity party isn't exactly acting in good faith.
    Again, the dead live on in the shadowlands. They're fine. She has no reason to grieve. It's not bad faith to point out they didn't think through the existential nature of this expansion. Also I hate Tyrande.

    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    When he breaks it down like that, it sounds about 5% more believable, but I'm still not buying into it.
    Have Bellular's theories ever come true? Besides when he waits for something to be canon & then takes credit for it? Like Garrosh appearing in the Afterlives videos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    I won't even speak of Valsharah.

    I'll never understand the hatred for Valsharah. Both Tyrande and Malfurion are consistently strong there. Tyrande chooses her goddess over her husband. Xavius mocks them both because he hates them. Not to mention it's one of the few storylines in this game that FEELS fast because the stakes are raised with every beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Again, the dead live on in the shadowlands. They're fine. She has no reason to grieve. It's not bad faith to point out they didn't think through the existential nature of this expansion. Also I hate Tyrande.
    And they were tortured in the Maw. Judging by Thrall and Jaina's reactions, time in the Maw dilates significantly; they thought they were there for decades. We saved a few but the vast majority are still there being tortured by the Mawsworn left and by the very nature of the place until Sylvanas finds them to send them to the Arbiter. So yeah, your description of "fine" is kind of problematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Just my two cents on this Tyrande subject... I also don't feel like the loss of Teldrassil has been properly addressed in-game. Yeah, sure, Tyrande got to choke Sylvanas for a bit and throw a temper tantrum, but that doesn't change the fact that Teldrassil is still in ruins and that needs to be addressed properly sooner or later.

    They did right by Sylvanas (in terms of WoW writing) by giving her a redemption arc and a novel. Tyrande's side of the conflict has barely been touched upon at all imo.
    It's not even Teldrassil. Most of her people died. Sure, there were survivors. But over all, most of them died. Children died. The infant in Elegy who Tyrande named was there for a reason.

    The Night Elves nation, culture. It was all destroyed. This was mentioned by Anduin as well in Elegy. It was a Genocide. And it's going to hurt for Tyrande. She's been the longest ruler in known Night Elven history, and sole ruler (and yes, this gets debated, but Blizzard is VERY clear. Tyrande was the sole leader until Cata when she forced Malfurion) for 10,000 years. She rebuilt her nation once. She disbanded royalty, and the notion that high blood should give special privileges. She rebuilt the infrastructure from the ground up after the War of the Ancients.

    This, specifically, is why the Church of Elune is the Government of Darnassus. They were the only institute still around that had enough teachers and military forces and books left to even begin that. And now, Tyrande has to do it again. Imagine living through your entire civilization ending not once, but twice.

    And then having to rebuild it both times.

    What Sylvanas did to the Night Elves, and the effect it would have on Tyrande specifically, was beyond the pale when any thought to the characters backstory is given, and up until now it's shameful that both Night Warrior and Teldrassils burning and the dead lost have been used as ways to move Sylvanas story forward, instead of being examined on and explored as they should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post

    And they were tortured in the Maw. Judging by Thrall and Jaina's reactions, time in the Maw dilates significantly; they thought they were there for decades. We saved a few but the vast majority are still there being tortured by the Mawsworn left and by the very nature of the place until Sylvanas finds them to send them to the Arbiter. So yeah, your description of "fine" is kind of problematic.
    Most of the people I've known these past 10.000 years are now dead, but they are in Hell so it's okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I'll never understand the hatred for Valsharah. Both Tyrande and Malfurion are consistently strong there. Tyrande chooses her goddess over her husband. Xavius mocks them both because he hates them. Not to mention it's one of the few storylines in this game that FEELS fast because the stakes are raised with every beat.
    It was the terrible, shrill voice acting that killed it for me.


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    Sorry if it has already been stated:

    In the 4chan cinematic "leak" it says: "The logo for "World of Warcraft: Dragonflight" comes into view, glittering with every color of the rainbow". I've been thinking that maybe the leaker didn't realize that those colors were not "every color of the rainbow", but instead they were each dragonflight color (red, yellow, green, blue, black).|
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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Just my two cents on this Tyrande subject... I also don't feel like the loss of Teldrassil has been properly addressed in-game. Yeah, sure, Tyrande got to choke Sylvanas for a bit and throw a temper tantrum, but that doesn't change the fact that Teldrassil is still in ruins and that needs to be addressed properly sooner or later.
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    The loss of teldrassil, the dead and the aftermatch with the night warrior and the revenge was addressed already, they even give the reasons why it happened and made sylvanus seek the souls in the maw, its done.

    Now, the aftermatch of the teldrassil, as the place and the race, it should be addressed, and can be addressed without tyrande being the protagonist, this, with the remake or undercity(yeah, like everyone forgot forsaken lost their home too) is the best opportunity to focus on worldbuilding, and giving the game new characters, that the game is serious lacking after so much death and protagonist syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    And they were tortured in the Maw. Judging by Thrall and Jaina's reactions, time in the Maw dilates significantly; they thought they were there for decades. We saved a few but the vast majority are still there being tortured by the Mawsworn left and by the very nature of the place until Sylvanas finds them to send them to the Arbiter. So yeah, your description of "fine" is kind of problematic.
    Night elves deserve it. They've lived for 10,000 years? Getting tortured in the maw is just paying their life tax, mama. Abominations, all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    It was the terrible, shrill voice acting that killed it for me.
    This, I can't get over it, and now all I think about is Nathanos mocking it: "OOOooooh Tyraaaaaaanduh"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Night elves deserve it. They've lived for 10,000 years? Getting tortured in the maw is just paying their life tax, mama. Abominations, all of them.
    Sylvanas is part of a race that lives for 2-3 millenia, I guess all her family is abominations that deserves unending torment too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusks r cool View Post
    Sorry if it has already been stated:

    In the 4chan cinematic "leak" it says: "The logo for "World of Warcraft: Dragonflight" comes into view, glittering with every color of the rainbow". I've been thinking that maybe the leaker didn't realize that those colors were not "every color of the rainbow", but instead they were each dragonflight color (red, yellow, green, blue, black).|
    I wouldnt be surprised if he started writing not sure whether to go for the "sneak peek", or "leaked article" and didnt properly change stuff to fit one of those two visions.
    The beginning obviously makes it seem like he saw it while walking past it being shown, but the language used seems more in-line with what yo uwould get from a pre-prepared press kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Night elves deserve it. They've lived for 10,000 years? Getting tortured in the maw is just paying their life tax, mama. Abominations, all of them.
    I see you are back to your old shticks of "Sylvi did nothing wrong". I mean, sure. What does it matter that Sylvi herself hard disagrees with that, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Sylvanas is part of a race that lives for 2-3 millenia, I guess all her family is abominations that deserves unending torment too.
    2000 is not 10000+

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    I think Nathanos was killed off and never mentioned again, because he was so deeply unpopular on all channels (official forums, mmo-c, r/wow), literally everywhere you looked people were shitting on Nathanos for being an awkward and cringy obvious Danuser self-insert. The decision was probably more like a demand from higher up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I see you are back to your old shticks of "Syliv did nothing wrong". I mean, sure. What does it matter that Sylvi herself hard disagrees with that, eh?
    And he was doing so well not trying to justify genocide for most of Shadowlands. But I guess old habits are hard to kick, and once he got a whiff of Sylvanas being innocent with the ending of this expansion he fell back off the wagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    I think Nathanos was killed off and never mentioned again, because he was so deeply unpopular on all channels (official forums, mmo-c, r/wow), literally everywhere you looked people were shitting on Nathanos for being an awkward and cringy obvious Danuser self-insert. The decision was probably more like a demand from higher up.
    It's not like he was removed in a particularly sudden way though. He was a raid boss in the pre-patch with a unique cineamtic afterwards. I guess you could say he was not brought back as a villain in SL because of player disapproval, but he is clearly mentioned during 9.1 when Tyrande fights Sylvanas, and there was a datamined piece of dialogue from Sylvanas in 9.2 that seems to have gotten removed where she talks about looking for her true love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    And he was doing so well not trying to justify genocide for most of Shadowlands. But I guess old habits are hard to kick, and once he got a whiff of Sylvanas being innocent with the ending of this expansion he fell back off the wagon.
    Nah, he probably has a hard time coping with the fact that she took full blame for what she did and accepted the penalty. World = shattered. Copium deposits engaged.
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