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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Damn... I'll be honest, I got chills imagining all of that. Warcraft has its clutches on my god damn soul...
    I need this like burning, which means we won't get it lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    It would imply an inverse rework to the world itself. A literal reversal of the Cataclysm, the exact moment the game arguably started to slide backwards in quality outside of the world revamp itself. Kinda fascinating, really.
    I personally still feel like MoP and Legion were both high points, but Cata itself, WoD, BFA and onward...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SniperCT View Post
    I need this like burning, which means we won't get it lmao
    Yeah, it's the very definition of too good to be true. And I'll be frank. I don't think the team can even pull it off. Now if MS throws a lot of money and enlarges the team dramatically, maybe it can be done for 11.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by deviantcultist View Post
    Let's hold down our expectations a bit. If they really go knee-deep into a Dragon expansion, we'll be going through dumb filler expansion loops to satisfy the "grounded story" Andies. That's what happened with the Cata-MoP-WoD saga until we got Legion.

    To me, Zovaal saying "a cosmos united cannot withstand what is to come" doesn't connect to a grounded Dragon expansion as the follow-up step. It reeks of filler, just like MoP had that Legion hologram that led to WoD before we could finally get into Legion.

    I want to see the story implications of Void lore as much as you do, but I'm afraid they'll shelve all the interesting elements to get back to "basic adventure" mode. All of what I'm saying could end up being wrong, however, I do recommend to everyone interested in cosmic lore to take everything with a grain of salt at this point.
    If Dragon Isles are filler everything is. Dragons are incredibly important. Blizzard has never set out to create a filler expansion. Filler expansions just happen due to issues. The only 2 filler expansions are WoD and to a lesser extent SL. I'd argue really only WoD tbh. Even then it had huge ambition and was obviously not meant to be filler.

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    Best part that they able to come up with, Azeroth to be round and flat planet, new races from other SIDE of Azeroth going mad in worshiping tip of Sargeras sword that poked out of earth on their side while they don't even know that it's part of sword and think its some kind mysterious obelisk. /s
    Please, there a perfect example of hypocritical thinking:
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    If Tinkers had anything to do with Hunters, but they don’t. Unlike Bards which are linked to Rogues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    The Dragons were nothing before the Titans showed up and the Titans are a subform of the Pantheon. If Elune is at the level of the Pantheon, which her sister is, then Elune isn't a dragon or anything below the level of WQ, Denathrius, Primus, Kyrestia, Jailer, Etc.
    Just because Elune is titan level doesn't mean she is a titan or that she wasn't around before there titans showed up. Dragons could be her children. I still think its unlikely, but she could easily predate the titans arrival on Azeroth.

    Ive also had another theory that Elune was a huge Old GoD on the moon, or even a half manifested void lord that went past its void cycle and became light again. Elune could be a light lord or light god. Or maybe shes trapped in between cycles and that's why she can easily represent the light and the darkness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SniperCT View Post
    I personally still feel like MoP and Legion were both high points, but Cata itself, WoD, BFA and onward...
    I too loved MoP and Legion as most. WoW's cultural imprint waned at EXACTLY Cata, though. Seeing Alex fly and see everything renewed in her wake rather than fire following Deathwing? It would feel nice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Theoretically you're right, but when we look at BfA, we see an expansion that mixes both Grounded and Cosmic elements. We have literally a generic human kingdom but we also have a giant Satanic sword sticking out of the planet's crust and an Old God coming back.

    I'm confident that the Cosmic aspect will still be featured in some way in Dragon Isles, and what better way to do so, than to involve Xal'atath? She's iconic, she's beloved, and now that she looks like a Void elf, she has a good design.
    For once I agree with you. I don't think the void elves will be as prominent and you think, but its obvious Xal'atath will play some kind of roll in the dragon Isles expansion. Im sure valves will also be present, but they wont be front and center key plot characters IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    It has a cheesy appeal to my nostalgia. I like it, even if the "every color of the rainbow" bit is a tad too far for me.
    Maybe it's prismatic. Chrome? Chromatus confirmed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutcrackit View Post
    "Filler" expansions are fine and IMO much needed. WoW has potential to last for several decades more but if they speedrun the story that potential will disappear.

    BFA and shadowlands took 5 expansion concepts and condensed it into 2.

    I would have much preferred BFA ->nazjatar expansion - >nya'lotha expansion- >wrath 2.0 ->shadowlands than what we got
    Also filler means cheap rush job xpac meant to hold over for something better. If we are calling breather expansions "filler" then I love filler expansions. MoP was fantastic and was the biggest breather we have had to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polybius View Post
    Maybe it's prismatic. Chrome? Chromatus confirmed?
    Considering the logo is dark grey/black, a chrome shine is likely. (if the leak is to be trusted)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartys View Post
    O_O No. Nope. Its a terrible idea.

    The dragons were proto-dragons, that descend from elementals from Azeroth... the elementals not trap into the Elemental Plane.

    Galakrond was a massive proto-dragon, was a cannible, he ate the others proto-dragons to became bigger and stronger and that mutated him.
    Elune make the Dragons "Aspect" after they fought alongside Tyr against Galakrond, and btw Odyn was against this because dragon was creature easly to corrupt.

    Dragons wasnt so intelligent creatures at first.

    Also, Ysera was "Elune's pet", you dont make a pet one of your kin...

    Elune is not a Dragon.


    I suppose that the new expansion will start with the Winter Queen that give us new seeds to replant the World Trees, but to do that we need the Aspects Bless. Elune will be involved at same point to trasform the Dragons in Aspetcs again.

    Maybe the Winter Queen will give to us the seeds to rebuild not only for the "Crown of the Heavens" (Nordrassil) but also the "Crown of the Snow" (Andrassil) in Grizzly Hill...


    btw its time to introduce Void/light theme... and I think the shit will coming when Turalyon will try to purge the Scourge with the light...

    Another theory I have is that Elune was the previous elemental lord of spirit who is weakened due to azeroth consuming most of the planets spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deviantcultist View Post
    I see where you're coming from with BfA being a mix of elements. However, Xal'atath has taken off to otherworldly domains and it's hard to imagine her coming back to us if our operation is purely in Azeroth.

    It takes a lot of stretching to assume this expansion will feature heavy elements of Light/Void although it has been teased for a while now. That's why I compared this to how it felt when we kept dodging the Legion expansion for years.

    To me, if the purpose of 10.0 isn't directed at the threat Zovaal talked about, it's a filler. Doesn't have to be direct, it could just be an undertone like N'Zoth was for BfA.

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    Filler content isn't inherently bad, although sometimes the creator needs to read the room. WoW is in need of a Legion tier expansion, not a "play it safe" filler expansion.
    Xal could easily be the guldan of Dragonflight as he was for WoD.

    Key story character. Not really fought, or escapes. Opens the way to the void/light conflict. Killed off in the first or second tier of 11.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Also filler means cheap rush job xpac meant to hold over for something better. If we are calling breather expansions "filler" then I love filler expansions. MoP was fantastic and was the biggest breather we have had to date.
    Breather expansions is a good way to look at it.

    And honestly, we NEED to build up again. You can't constantly raise the stakes without it getting ridiculous, which it already has.

    After Legion, BFA should have been a much more low stakes expansion that then led into Old Gods in the next expansion, which then leads into cosmic stuff over the next two after that THEN we get the big world unmaking stuff.

    Then repeat the cycle. Bring things down, breathe, then slowly build back up. But lol at the idea of blizz being able to do narrative tension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three Faced Goddess View Post
    It sort of looks familiar now that you mention it. I'm going searching for it now. There's just something about it that looks familiar and it's giving me a sense of Deja vu.
    What is that from? The bottom part reminds me of the aspects fighting galakrond kinda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Ardenweald Faerie View Post
    Gifdwarf has been around since the WoD times under many different names...

    but he always kept the same dwarf profile pic!
    Yeah I cant even remember his old name now, but he is iconic. If it weren't for taylor and pauladeen he would be the leaker mascot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therewillbedragons View Post
    I'll eat my hat if the leak that said we are getting four new classes actually comes true. There's no way they would burden themselves with that much development work. Lucky guess on the name is most likely.
    What if they pitch it as 4 new base classes to be expanded upon in the future.

    1 spec each for 10.0.

    11.0 adds another spec to each.
    12.0 adds a spec to all classes 4th specs etc.

    Still feels like a waste, but would work better IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Does that mean we are going to fight Giants?

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    Agreed. I actually rather like the new geometry motif and the lore around the actual, underlying structure of reality, but the real soul of WoW for me should be on Azeroth. These references to old theology are very good, but better suited to a palatable and structured plotline which can have some tangible connection to the world we're here for. There's a reason why everyone was so thoroughly apathetic to Shadowlands—it had no connection to Azeroth proper and simply felt like a complete departure from established lore.

    I frankly am holding out hope that Dragonflight features a proper revamp or at least focuses on Lordaeron as much as the Dragon Isles. I'd prefer to see something familiar for once.
    Oh what if their main natural enemy on the isles are a small clan of long lived giants. Only the elder dragons and aspects can beat one. They are like 10 stories tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriHard View Post
    Dude, they are so royally fucked if the MMO C Dragonflight leak is not the real one, anything else would be a major disappointment in comparison.

    I hope for their sake that they have something real bonkers for their expansion reveal.
    I still think that leak could be legit with some red herrings thrown in. 1 new class, with some glyph updates to help with class skins, but not as in depth. Rest is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Villager720 View Post
    How would that work in combat though?
    It’s one thing to turn into a werewolf when entering combat - it’s another to turn into a dragon and somehow not roflstomp the gnome rogue attempting to stab you with daggers the size of your scales in the arena.

    And if you don’t become a dragon in combat …why?
    You would be empowered by dragons like shamans are empowered by elements. Shaman don't turn into elementals.

    Also if there is a dragon race they would have humanoid forms, or at most a 2 legged dragonhumanoid hybrid form.
    We arent getting full on dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SniperCT View Post
    I hope they arrange things a bit so that shadowlands gets rolled into the earlier leveling content. Either keep 60 as the cap and nerf everyone back to 50, or if they raise the cap to 70 make it so 1-60 can be any expansion.

    Anything so I don't have to do SL on my alts lol
    If they remake the top half of EK that could just have max level content, but mostly be a low level zone that scales.

    1-50 or 60 can be done in Lordaeron and Que'thalas, and dragon isles would be 50-60 or 60-70 whatever the cap is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I still think that leak could be legit with some red herrings thrown in. 1 new class, with some glyph updates to help with class skins, but not as in depth. Rest is real.

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    You would be empowered by dragons like shamans are empowered by elements. Shaman don't turn into elementals.

    Also if there is a dragon race they would have humanoid forms, or at most a 2 legged dragonhumanoid hybrid form.
    We arent getting full on dragons.

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    If they remake the top half of EK that could just have max level content, but mostly be a low level zone that scales.

    1-50 or 60 can be done in Lordaeron and Que'thalas, and dragon isles would be 50-60 or 60-70 whatever the cap is.
    A dragon class/race would be interesting, I was thinking a drakonoid form or whatever as a temp dps buff type thing. (like the DH demon form)

    However, if they don't get a travelform to transform into a flying dragon who can carry someone I'll riot

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post


    A cinematic without a single action scene would be really lame. Other cinematics have also established the antagonist pretty clearly, whereas this tells us pretty much nothing about who we're going to be dealing with.
    How can Tyrande even stand in Darnassus? Teldrassil is utterly destroyed! Unless they tell us it is not like it looked in BfA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    We don't know for certain it's not a WoW branded game.

    ...and there's no reason they wouldn't sell a supposed new automatous Warcraft game the same way. And not even if its F2P - especially if it's free to play. Diablo Immortal has 3 different buy-in tiers too.
    You are in denial. Its the next wow xcac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    No she's beyond Titan level. They're a lower form of being compared to her.
    Is that ever canonically established or even suggested? The Eternal Ones & The Titans seem to be on the same level power-wise and both seem to be "employees" of the First Ones'. Circumventing the "Order" of Death doesn't seem that hard considering Bwonsamdi can do the same thing.

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    A few pages ago someone asked what the "familiar Warcraft theme" in the "leak" could refer to and I've been thinking about it.

    It could be a lot of things, but I would love it if they did a new rendition of the soundtrack that starts at 1:26 and used it for a trailer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Considering the logo is dark grey/black, a chrome shine is likely. (if the leak is to be trusted)
    The logo is dark green.

    using image editing tools on the logo pixels you can check the color palette

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