Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[zeir]

Knowing blizzard we will only get a bunch of disconnected floating islands full of fairie dragons with pg-13 high pitched voices. A partial world revamp and multiple classes sounds too good to be true. Then again we got legion after wod.

[Zankai27]

Where does this idea come from except that leak?

Uh, yes? The discussion was ABOUT tier sets re: the supposed classes. I’m providing a reason it could work very well given a shift in the way progression works in a world with no leveling.

I’m not sure what part of that wasn’t clear.

[therumblings]

If they added 4 new classes but didn't give them tier sets, that would suck immensely. I can at least understand not giving them order halls, but no tier sets? Right after they reintroduced them?

[Syegfryed]

I will die on the hill that the leak saying microclasses is bullshit, i know current blizzard like to crap all over the game with systems and all, but this is beyond stupid and rly doesn't work in how the game is designed.

[ghernandess]

The Dalaran being updated was specifically the one in Northrend which can, again, mean that it has some application in the pre-event, perhaps related to Galakrond, not necessarily that it's a full-time hub.

Indeed, maybe some bronze dragonflight stuff, like caverns of time event or scenario related to old Dal?

[Izalla]

Uh, yes? The discussion was ABOUT tier sets re: the supposed classes. I’m providing a reason it could work very well given a shift in the way progression works in a world with no leveling.

I’m not sure what part of that wasn’t clear.

Sorry I thought you meant in a general sense not specific to that leak. I still don't agree though because like I said, "other armour" is something they are less likely to be burned out on because they have more freedom to play around with ideas. They specifically called out being limited to class specific designs and having to come up with new set bonuses each time as reasons to stop making them. Cutting out the sets they clearly preferred to make to give them more time to do more of the sets they were burned out on making does not seem like a good idea nor something they would actually bring upon themselves.

[KayRule]

I will die on the hill that the leak saying microclasses is bullshit, i know current blizzard like to crap all over the game with systems and all, but this is beyond stupid and rly doesn't work in how the game is designed.

I like how consistently this userbase takes the things that could fix the horrible design flaws the game has been suffering for decades and act like it's the worst thing that could happen to the game.

[Syegfryed]

I like how consistently this userbase takes the things that could fix the horrible design flaws the game has been suffering for decades and act like it's the worst thing that could happen to the game.

You think microclasses will "fix the horrible design flaws the game has been suffering for decades"

all right

[Izalla]

To be fair, the original leak doesn't actually elaborate exactly on the implementation of the 'micro classes' system, how they are unlocked, if they are literally classes we pick in the creator (the term micro classes makes me think they are different in some way obviously) or if they are branching off of multiple other classes etc.

I don't see why there has been a huge debate around "they won't do it because more tier sets" when the original leak never specified in enough detail for us to assume they would actually require their own tier sets or not.

The tier set argument is just one facet of the larger argument. And no one is going to be happy with their class not getting to have a tier set while all the "real" classes get them. Can you imagine doing a raid where all you get are the random knock off look alike pieces thrown together from various other class sets? Wait that wouldn't happen, because you aren't in the raid, because why the hell would anyone bring the gimped class that won't even get set bonuses and cannot compete against the properly tiered classes?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

As I said in another thread;

It's impossible it's not real at this point. This predates 9.2 coming out. Since then, 9.2.5 has come onto the PTR. The things it got right so far are;

The name World of Warcraft: Dragonflight
Dalaran update.
Lordaeron focus.
New quests in the Blood Elf lands have the zone in which the quest takes place called Quel'thalas, not Eversong Forest or the Ghostlands but both as one zone merged.
Dark Ranger stuff.

It's pure copium at this point to say it's fake.
Also it's funny how people are torn saying it's either far too much content (even though this is WAY LESS than TBC gave us) or far too little content, too mundane for Blizzard or too out there. No one can decide, they just know they don't like it.

You're being incredibly disingenuous and we all know you're going to pretend to have believed it after it's revealed like every other time (MoP trademark, WoD content leak, etc).

I've given some of my opinions on this expansion before, and there's a lot of things that I think ought to somewhat invalidate the leak entirely. It gets some things correct, but a Lordaeron/Quel'Thalas revamp is something a lot of people expected for a long while, including myself. The merging of Quel'Thalas and Lordaeron zones seems predictable since Blizzard does fewer, larger zones lately anyway. Dark Rangers have been on the table for years as fanservice and "Dragonflight" isn't hard to guess since it's a single hyphenated compound word connected to a very prominent idea in the lore.

[Lahis]

They certainly can be, Blizz retcons shit for breakfast, it would just be very dumb to choose to do that.

Dragons dont need to all powerful like Titans/Eternal Ones/First Ones/Second Ones/First Twos/Etc ad nauseum. They can just be pretty powerful aspects of the earth and it's even better.

However it wouldn't be "We don't have the full picture" it would be 100% retcon if they decide to turn them into being that level. We have receipts for their power level and place in the grand scheme of thing.

Dragons speak the language of life apparently so they can easily say the dragons arr more important than we thought.

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Sorry, not to distract from the awesome speculation and excitement for the new expansion, but does anyone think we'll see Zandalari, Kultiran, dark iron, maghar customization coming like we got for lightforged, highmountain, nightborne? I'd assume it'd be in the 9.2.5 patch no?

No more customization coming. Allied Races weren't supposed to get any in the first place.

[uikolertekopoku]

I am sure we wil see many dragon related retcons

[Lahis]

Don’t see how; it offers variety and hype when they need it. What is it lacking? Flexibility? That could be baked into the singular spec design. Design philosophies change over time anyway.

You can't make a 5 man party with two tanks or healers. That's why every class needs to have atleast two specs for two roles.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Sorry, not to distract from the awesome speculation and excitement for the new expansion, but does anyone think we'll see Zandalari, Kultiran, dark iron, maghar customization coming like we got for lightforged, highmountain, nightborne? I'd assume it'd be in the 9.2.5 patch no?

I honestly figure that they're less in need of it. Perhaps Kul Tirans could use more love, but I think the Zandalari and Mag'har at least are awesome enough and Dark Iron are in a pretty good place.

[Sharby]

I like how consistently this userbase takes the things that could fix the horrible design flaws the game has been suffering for decades and act like it's the worst thing that could happen to the game.

Microclasses by definition are terrible because they will be treated like second-rate features.


This means no tier, no flavor aside from what's out of the box, nothing like an artifact or class hall because making all that for one spec is useless.


Which then players of said microclass will feel like they're wasting their time, this isn't XIV, if you roll a microclass just to get nothing, you have to completely redo your class to play something else.


And then if they do get special attention and features, then what is the point of the microclass moniker? It's just a lose-lose either way. This isn't even getting into the fact that the DF leak is obviously fake.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Thoughts on the main villains of Dragonflight? I think it will be the Twilight Dragonflight, there was a ton of lore in BFA about them, re-emerging from Grim Batol, and there even being a clutch of Twilight Dragon eggs in N'zoths final boss area. If you recall, Xal'atath, is originally acquired in Grim Batol, I don't think that is entirely a coincidence. Xal'atath + the Twilight Dragons could be a deadly combination. It combines the threat into both a Dragon threat and a Void threat, I think it could be it.

Void + Dragons also gives us the best version of Galakrond.

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I get this feeling increasingly in my jibblies that there won't be a major front and center villain, at least not at launch.

They tried that with the Jailer and nobody cared, so I'm guessing they'll pendulum the other way again. Twilight Dragons, Undead Dragons, Infinite Dragons, even Traitor Dragons. It might all seem random but we'll find out by the end someone was pulling all those individual strings.

[ercarp]

Not sure if this was already mentioned, but it looks like Simaia/keyboardturn confessed to creating the Living World leak.

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...YmEP6C1Fg&s=19

I just hope they weren't the one spamming it on MMOC and lashing out at people who didn't think it was very convincing. Probably not. That guy was completely bonkers.

And yeah, it might not have been the most convincing "leak" and it's kind of a shame the real leak came out like half an hour after it was published, but it is what it is. Shit happens. It looks like they still had fun making it.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Im confused.

I meant you may upset Dalaran T-T

Dalaran Mages: “Here we go, moving again”

Time to prepare the boxes!

Not sure if this was already mentioned, but it looks like Simaia/keyboardturn confessed to creating the Living World leak.

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...YmEP6C1Fg&s=19

I just hope they weren't the one spamming it on MMOC and lashing out at people who didn't think it was very convincing. Probably not. That guy was completely bonkers.

And yeah, it might not have been the most convincing "leak" and it's kind of a shame the real leak came out like half an hour after it was published, but it is what it is. Shit happens. It looks like they still had fun making it.

I mean it was obviously fake, but if they had fun, meh I won't blame them!

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Not sure if this was already mentioned, but it looks like Simaia/keyboardturn confessed to creating the Living World leak.

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...YmEP6C1Fg&s=19

I just hope they weren't the one spamming it on MMOC and lashing out at people who didn't think it was very convincing. Probably not. That guy was completely bonkers.

And yeah, it might not have been the most convincing "leak" and it's kind of a shame the real leak came out like half an hour after it was published, but it is what it is. Shit happens. It looks like they still had fun making it.

The what? I never even heard of this one.

I thought you meant they faked the LivingWorld strings.

[Ersula]

Which then players of said microclass will feel like they're wasting their time, this isn't XIV, if you roll a microclass just to get nothing, you have to completely redo your class to play something else.

This is why an elective spec system would make more sense. If the one spec was something you chose to add to your classes' selection. A few general abilities but for the most part all abilities are locked to the spec: A Death Knight Minstrel & A Mage Minstrel would have the same rotations, but the Mage Minstrel has Time Warp & the Death Knight Minstrel has a battle rez. Etc.

And their selection for these classes is bizarre. They’ll make a minstrel a class before a dark ranger, a necromancer, or a warden?

Because a bard, minstrel or tinker would actually be something totally new. Just like Demon Hunter & Death Knight & Monk were very new & iconic. Dark Ranger is extremely close to hunter, especially after giving them undead taming. Necromancer is extremely similar to any of the casters, especially after giving them necrolord customization. Warden are just militant elves. etc. The game feels like it needs new Healers & Tanks, not new dps specs.

You are in denial. Its the next wow xcac.

You're most likely correct, which I already explained in my post. So thanks for replying in the nastiest way possible.