Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Marlamin]

Things we know for sure
The name is Dragonflight

Things that are very likely true
The art
Dalaran involvement even via pre patch
Lordaeron and silver moon story
New class

I wouldn't put Dalaran in that list just yet -- they update old models like that all the time. It being so many updates is unusual but Dalaran is also one of the biggest models. Also worth mentioning nobody actually looked at what was updated yet.

[Nymrohd]

I wouldn't put Dalaran in that list just yet -- they update old models like that all the time. It being so many updates is unusual but Dalaran is also one of the biggest models. Also worth mentioning nobody actually looked at what was updated yet.

And given it is the Northrend version, more likely to be involved in some pre-expansion event than to have it move or something.

[draugril]

That would have been great honestly.

When artifacts were announced, my mind immediately went to Broxigar and the Axe of Cenarius for Warriors. If time works differently in the Twisting Nether, much like Turalyon spending a thousand years fighting demons, we could have plucked Broxigar out of his fated doom mere moments after he wounded Sargeras.

[Nymrohd]

When artifacts were announced, my mind immediately went to Broxigar and the Axe of Cenarius for Warriors. If time works differently in the Twisting Nether, much like Turalyon spending a thousand years fighting demons, we could have plucked Broxigar out of his fated doom mere moments after he wounded Sargeras.

The Axe of Cenarius is already in Azeroth in the hands of Brox's daughter and was used to wound Xavius in Stormrage.

[draugril]

The Axe of Cenarius is already in Azeroth in the hands of Brox's daughter and was used to wound Xavius in Stormrage.

https://twitter.com/craig_amai/statu...86887876120577

It was a contender, but they ultimately decided that it was too nature-themed for Warriors and gave us a generic sword instead. Wrong call, IMO.

[Nymrohd]

https://twitter.com/craig_amai/statu...86887876120577

It was a contender, but they ultimately decided that it was too nature-themed for Warriors and gave us a generic sword instead. Wrong call, IMO.

I know, just was saying that we would not need to time travel to grab it, the Axe is already in Thura's hands. Thura is even in the database and was meant to appear in the warrior order hall but that content was cut (the warrior order hall is among the weakest parts of Legion imo).

Honestly I wanted Gorehowl more than the Axe of Cenarius.

[draugril]

I know, just was saying that we would not need to time travel to grab it, the Axe is already in Thura's hands. Thura is even in the database and was meant to appear in the warrior order hall but that content was cut (the warrior order hall is among the weakest parts of Legion imo).

Ah, fair enough. I was just trying to finagle a method of bringing Brox back.

[Revamp Man]

When artifacts were announced, my mind immediately went to Broxigar and the Axe of Cenarius for Warriors. If time works differently in the Twisting Nether, much like Turalyon spending a thousand years fighting demons, we could have plucked Broxigar out of his fated doom mere moments after he wounded Sargeras.

Actually the opposite
Twisting nether is the faster one so it was possibly tens of thousands of years

[Wangming]

https://twitter.com/craig_amai/statu...86887876120577

It was a contender, but they ultimately decided that it was too nature-themed for Warriors and gave us a generic sword instead. Wrong call, IMO.

Absolutely. Like, this is one slight pickle with the Order Halls and the Artiface weapons. Some people get lucky and get some very lore heavy shit like: Become the leader of the Silver Hand and wield the fucking Ashbringer. For others its just: "Come join this team we just made up and get this weapon we just made up." It was very uneven. It worked for some, like Knaifu, the new best weapon in game, but less so for others. And while I understand that 12 orders and 36 weapons are impossible to make super memorable and established, it could have been more balanced.

[Syegfryed]

I know, just was saying that we would not need to time travel to grab it, the Axe is already in Thura's hands. Thura is even in the database and was meant to appear in the warrior order hall but that content was cut (the warrior order hall is among the weakest parts of Legion imo).

Its more like we if we went to time travel, Thura would not lost her axe, it woudl exist two in this world.

Honestly I wanted Gorehowl more than the Axe of Cenarius.

Gorehowl isn't any magical, people can already have it, so isn't unique, and it would be awful to have it in alliance hands, just like it is with doomhammer, imagine the hammer killed hundreds of draeneis and a draenei using, comedy gold.

[draugril]

Actually the opposite
Twisting nether is the faster one so it was possibly tens of thousands of years

Do we have confirmation that the time disparity only works in one direction?

Regardless, even if it's only relatively faster, it would still be great if Brox was stuck cleaving demons for potentially hundreds of thousands of years, given how time dilated with Turalyon and Alleria. Never finding that warrior's death until we give him the opportunity to go round two with Sargeras or an Avator or Argus or whatever. He's the apotheosis of Orc culture - moreso than Thrall or Garrosh or Durotan or whoever else. Solid character, even as much as Knaak grated on me.

[Revamp Man]

And given it is the Northrend version, more likely to be involved in some pre-expansion event than to have it move or something.

Like he says it could be nothing

I think it would be prepatch event where either we have a flashback or it gets destroyed

In b4 we get back to Azeroth and discover we have to travel back in time to the time of galakrond to help the aspects because we need them at full power and the infinite is created when we succeed

[Syegfryed]

https://twitter.com/craig_amai/statu...86887876120577

It was a contender, but they ultimately decided that it was too nature-themed for Warriors and gave us a generic sword instead. Wrong call, IMO.

"nature theme isn't for warriors, lets make a shit ass sword with void theme, that will totally fits warriors" -Blizzard

Its funny how they focusing on "class fantasy" is when they made those shit statements/changes.

[Nymrohd]

Its more like we if we went to time travel, Thura would not lost her axe, it woudl exist two in this world.



Gorehowl isn't any magical, people can already have it, so isn't unique, and it would be awful to have it in alliance hands, just like it is with doomhammer, imagine the hammer killed hundreds of draeneis and a draenei using, comedy gold.

Gorehowl contains the hearts of six gronn. That makes it magical enough. Also you can have a troll warrior with Strom'kar . . .

[Revamp Man]

Do we have confirmation that the time disparity only works in one direction?

Regardless, even if it's only relatively faster, it would still be great if Brox was stuck cleaving demons for potentially hundreds of thousands of years, given how time dilated with Turalyon and Alleria. Never finding that warrior's death until we give him the opportunity to go round two with Sargeras or an Avator or Argus or whatever. He's the apotheosis of Orc culture - moreso than Thrall or Garrosh or Durotan or whoever else. Solid character, even as much as Knaak grated on me.

We have nothing suggesting it is distorted
As far as what has been described 1,000 years passed in the time T&V were gone and Brox was gone long long long ago

I think that an Easter egg would have been perfect for him

[Syegfryed]

Gorehowl contains the hearts of six gronn. That makes it magical enough.

gronns aren't magical creatures though, it prob only makes the steel harder.

Also you can have a troll warrior with Strom'kar . . .

thats why some weapons were just bad picks, and legion lore was a mess, like making Maghata your follower in the shaman class hall when most horde people would kill her instead.

[Nymrohd]

Absolutely. Like, this is one slight pickle with the Order Halls and the Artiface weapons. Some people get lucky and get some very lore heavy shit like: Become the leader of the Silver Hand and wield the fucking Ashbringer. For others its just: "Come join this team we just made up and get this weapon we just made up." It was very uneven. It worked for some, like Knaifu, the new best weapon in game, but less so for others. And while I understand that 12 orders and 36 weapons are impossible to make super memorable and established, it could have been more balanced.

Honestly, I think they needed more time. Visually a lot of them were great. And many of the weapons that had absolutely no lore before Legion got amazing lore. Maw of the Damned, Ulthaless, Aldrachi Warblades, G'hanir, T'uure, obviously Xal'atath, Fist of Ra'den and Skull of Man'ari; any of them got lore that puts it now on par with something like the Ashbringer. And yeah, many others are just boring. Many of the order halls also felt like after thoughts? Monks, priests and hunters should have gotten a full redesign (hall AND campaign). Paladin probably needed a hall that made sense (why is it Underground???). And Warrior while not bad had nothing to do with warriors and should just have been a max level storyline we did for Odyn in 7.1

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groms aren't magic creatures though, it prob only makes the steel harder.

Eh, Gronn manipulate earth and are just one step below the Magnaron. But yeah, there are MANY options for warrior weapons. And most importantly, they should have made a greater effort to have diversity in the sources of the weapons. Far too many come from human lore. I think it probably had to do with them trying to minimize the number of artifact weapon scenarios required.

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We have nothing suggesting it is distorted
As far as what has been described 1,000 years passed in the time T&V were gone and Brox was gone long long long ago

I think that an Easter egg would have been perfect for him

Argus lies between the Nether and the Great Dark Beyond. So it should share the Nether's timeless quality. Which would mean that Brox, if he survived that attack would not have aged. You could have had the Krokul save him.
Heck you could have had the Army of the Light save him. Army of the Light desperately needed more diversity; adding an orc or two would have worked. Heck you could have had Ethereals, Arakkoa, perhaps some repurposed Botani model . . . it should have been diverse.

[Wangming]

Honestly, I think they needed more time. Visually a lot of them were great. And many of the weapons that had absolutely no lore before Legion got amazing lore. Maw of the Damned, Ulthaless, Aldrachi Warblades, G'hanir, T'uure, obviously Xal'atath, Fist of Ra'den and Skull of Man'ari; any of them got lore that puts it now on par with something like the Ashbringer. And yeah, many others are just boring. Many of the order halls also felt like after thoughts? Monks, priests and hunters should have gotten a full redesign (hall AND campaign). Paladin probably needed a hall that made sense (why is it Underground???). And Warrior while not bad had nothing to do with warriors and should just have been a max level storyline we did for Odyn in 7.1

Agreed. It is clear that WoD also hurt Legion as they had to scrap the expansion quickly which gave them less time to make all that they wanted to. An expansion the size of Legion needs a lot of time and forward thinking. Question is, what does that tell us of SL and Dragonflight?

[Revamp Man]

So after seeing towellie respond to the art leak…who is saying the pics are from a printing area??

Tinfoil theory: he denied it so hard because it is true so he needed to take the most insane premise from chat and use it to try and debunk it

https://t.co/igr8EaY1eZ

Definitely agree it’s deliberately being done so often

[Fahrad Wagner]

*coming back into the thread after days fighting for r/place*

Have I missed anything?